Mini-black hole is smallest ever but still strong

how does effect time travel?

Steve_McPherson wrote:

My wife has a little black hole.

Too bad her ASS has 4 times the mass of our sun!

Now if we could just find out where the matter comes out, that's sucked in, -- we could have a pretty cool mail chute: unfortunately it may be like the IRS, when you mail them a check

Steve_McPherson wrote:

My wife has a little black hole.

Does it suck up a lot of money? I used to have a girlfriend with that kind.

betty boobs wrote:

how does effect time travel?

They don't really know yet, the black hole phenomenon is a warp in the time/space/matter continuum, and it doesn't conform to Newtonian physics or anything like we "regular" earth people are used to.

It is my understanding that the Black Hole at the galaxy's center causes the emergence of localized "mini" Black Holes because of the much greater nearby densities. Also, it has been theorized that the LHC will create extremely small and instantaneous Black Holes within the machine at the impact of collisions. Will these holes instantly disappear, linger momentarily or will they lead to some unforeseen calamity? Stay tuned .... for as long as you can.:)

Black holes were found in Al Gores Head

Johnson wrote:

<quoted text>They don't really know yet, the black hole phenomenon is a warp in the time/space/matter continuum, and it doesn't conform to Newtonian physics or anything like we "regular" earth people are used to.

We're getting used to a similar social situation in Iraq: all the money that disappears, weapons, people, time slows down or stops outright, lives end, families are stretched to the limit and vanish, more money and people get added, the economy slows down, other financial corruptions ensue, Oswald Spengler reappears and starts looking like an optimist...Bush gets booed as he throws a baseball pitch, even Al Gore appears to be affected as mental capacities of observers diminish

Speaking of mental capacities: Where's the evidence that the Catholic Church was formed about 2000 years ago?

truthist wrote:

Speaking of mental capacities: Where's the evidence that the Catholic Church was formed about 2000 years ago?

I think that may be stretched out (joke)

Cousin Jethro wrote:

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I think that may be stretched out (joke)

Yes, by many centuries.

On a personal note, may I comment that you have lightened up the sci-tech threads or strings as you call them. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to post "Au clair de la lune," a chanson of my childhood.I feel better for it.:) Namaste.

truthist wrote:

<quoted text>Yes, by many centuries.
On a personal note, may I comment that you have lightened up the sci-tech threads or strings as you call them. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to post "Au clair de la lune," a chanson of my childhood.I feel better for it.:) Namaste.

Well, at least three and a quarter, since they had their creed by then (325 A.D.) yet were not yet tempered by the wars with Islam, the magic power wars with the Celts in Ireland...oh, don't get me started: always glad to do an Hindu a favor, Namaste and have a nice day, whatever the lune or loon you're dealing with

betty boobs wrote:

how does effect time travel?

Want to discuss time travel? Want to know what the future is going to be like in 2036? Try this website:

http://www.johntitor.com/

There is a time travel hyperlink on the left side. He claims to be using mini-singularities - the kind of thing they are trying to create in the LHC in the present time. Very intriguing!

How will CERN explain that one...

CERNs web site states that we have not been destroyed by effects of cosmic rays and micro black holes will evaporate.

However, cosmic rays travel too fast to be captured by Earths gravity, and Hawking Radiation is disputed and contradicts Einsteins highly successful relativity theory. Collider particles smash head on like a car collision and can be captured by Earths gravity, and relativity predicts micro black holes will not decay (Hawking called Einstein doubly wrong, yet it is Einstein who is repeatedly found to have been correct in his theories). There is currently no reasonable proof of LHC safety, LSAG (LHC Safety Assessment Group) has been trying for months to prove safety without success. I hold the minority opinion that it may not be possible because it may in fact not be safe.

Cosmic Rays from the legal complaint.

any such novel particle created in nature by cosmic ray impacts would be left with a velocity at nearly the speed of light, relative to earth. At such speeds,..., is believed by most theorists to simply pass harmlessly through our planet with nary an impact, safely exiting on the other side.... Conversely, any such novel particle that might be created at the LHC would be at slow speed relative to earth, a goodly percentage would then be captured by earths gravity, and could possibly grow larger [accrete matter] with disastrous consequences of the earth turning into a large black hole.

If this thing is so safe, why arent CERN scientists allowed to express any personal fears they might have about this Collider?

Alleged in the legal action: Chief Scientific Officer, Mr. Engelen passed an internal memorandum to workers at CERN, asking them, regardless of personal opinion, to affirm in all interviews that there were no risks involved in the experiments, changing the previous assertion of minimal risk.

(Statisticians generally consider minimal risk as 1-10%).

Have you see the Dilbert Oops article?

And who exactly ran the numbers to decide it wasn’t that risky? After all, the whole point of the Large Hadron Collider is to create conditions that are not predictable. If someone already predicted what would happen using nothing but his laptop and Excel, and determined it was safe, I don’t think we’re getting our $8 billion worth.

I can’t see the management of this project spending $8 billion, realizing it was a huge boner, and then holding a press conference suggesting it be turned into a parking garage. I’ll bet a lot of people in that position would take at least a 5% risk of incinerating the galaxy versus incinerating their own careers. I know I would.

LHCConcerns.com

JTankers wrote:

Have you see the Dilbert Oops article?
And who exactly ran the numbers to decide it wasn’t that risky? After all, the whole point of the Large Hadron Collider is to create conditions that are not predictable. If someone already predicted what would happen using nothing but his laptop and Excel, and determined it was safe, I don’t think we’re getting our $8 billion worth.
I can’t see the management of this project spending $8 billion, realizing it was a huge boner, and then holding a press conference suggesting it be turned into a parking garage. I’ll bet a lot of people in that position would take at least a 5% risk of incinerating the galaxy versus incinerating their own careers. I know I would.
LHCConcerns.com

You wrote: "(Statisticians generally consider minimal risk as 1-10%)."

But how does this apply to the LHC? You didn't supply any assessments. Just wondering.

So long's the thing doesn't open up a matter drain that starts some sort of Cartesian vortex where we all get sucked in -- but then -- would it rotate clockwise or counterclockwise, in Switzerland?

truthist wrote:

Speaking of mental capacities: Where's the evidence that the Catholic Church was formed about 2000 years ago?

I dunno where you're going with this, but ...
http://www.catholic.com/library/Apostolic_Suc...

JTankers wrote:

How will CERN explain that one...
CERNs web site states that we have not been destroyed by effects of cosmic rays and micro black holes will evaporate.
However, cosmic rays travel too fast to be captured by Earths gravity, and Hawking Radiation is disputed and contradicts Einsteins highly successful relativity theory. Collider particles smash head on like a car collision and can be captured by Earths gravity, and relativity predicts micro black holes will not decay (Hawking called Einstein doubly wrong, yet it is Einstein who is repeatedly found to have been correct in his theories).

On the other hand, Einstein didn't have a quantum theory of gravity, which is what Hawking has been studying all his life. It is clear that quantum effects have to be included here because of the nature of the BH production. In that case, because of pair production near the event horizon, the BH will appear to evaporate via Hawking radiation. Furthermore, the production of BHs require very exotic physics (extra dimensions,'unparticles', etc) which, truthfully, few people, as yet, take as anything more than pure speculation. Truthfully, I *hope* they manage to produce mini-black holes simply because that would give us tremendous information about quantum gravity and would be strong evidence for other spatial dimensions. Exciting stuff!

There is currently no reasonable proof of LHC safety, LSAG (LHC Safety Assessment Group) has been trying for months to prove safety without success. I hold the minority opinion that it may not be possible because it may in fact not be safe.

A lot here depends on what you mean by the term 'reasonable proof'. A particle mass black hole would effectively be isolated from masses around it and would evaporate before acquiring more mass. This would be an extremely fast process. Also, even if *most* of the collision energy goes into formation of the BH, there still would be a relativistic velocity to that BH after formation, so it is unlikely that it would be caught by the earth's gravity. Of course, it is *always* possible that new physics will come into play. In that case, all bets are off, but that is *always* the way it is when studying new things. The real risk is more for the people studying it (just like the early researchers into radiation often died of cancer) than to the public at large. Even there, I would *love* to be on the team that finds the first Hawking radiation from a BH!

For more reading:
http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+LHC+AND+...

JTankers wrote:

CERNs web site states that we have not been destroyed by effects of cosmic rays and micro black holes will evaporate....(Statisticians generally consider minimal risk as 1-10%).

Is that what happened to what is now the asteriod belt? And if it happened here, would I have enough time to read the Book of Revelation?