Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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KiMare wrote:
I responded accurately to the content of your post.
Smile.
You have tacitly admitted that your most recent arguments were utterly irrelevant, and that you lack the capacity to formulate a rational on topic argument.

Congratulations, each time you post without addressing the topic, you look all the more foolish.

How's that quest for a compelling state interest served by denying same sex couples the right to marry that would render such a restriction constitutional going. It kind of looks like you lack the ability to find any such interest.
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Rick in Kansas wrote:
A Final Note
Ok, kind of glad you are leaving. Next time write a book.
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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Let's just pretend that it isn't an incredibly flawed study written by a researcher setting out to prove that Lesbians and Gays aren't good parents, let's ignore ALL the evidence of just how bad of a study it actually is. If you want to hang onto your delusion, knock yourself out, but don't get huffy when we don't buy into your fantasy.
Rick: or a flawed study by a researcher setting out to prove that Lesbians and Gays are good parents, let's ignore ALL the evidence. And only believe gay studies.

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KiMare wrote:
I guess if you base your view on one peer (gay) review...
But I don't. And I don't feel bad or 'huffy' about it.
Smile.
No dear, you base your view on nothing more than your twisted desire to hate us. What I provided you were TWO of MANY articles that dissect the Regenerus study as the agenda driven fraud it really is. They pointed out some very serious flaws in its methodology, sampling and conclusions, flaws which you try to pretend don't exist. I know you don't feel bad about what you've said, you're a passive/aggressive sociopath, but you definitely have got huffy down pat.

Smile at that.

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RiccardoFire wrote:
Rick: or a flawed study by a researcher setting out to prove that Lesbians and Gays are good parents, let's ignore ALL the evidence. And only believe gay studies.
Actually cupcake, I'll be the first to admit that all of the studies on the subject of Lesbian and Gay parenting suffer from flaws in terms of methodology and sampling. Do these flaws invalidate all these studies? No, some most definitely, but all, no. What has been telling about all of these studies, despite flaws like sample size and not being representational enough, was that they all reached the same general conclusion that Lesbians and Gays can be good parents and none found a downside caused specifically because children have Lesbian or gay parent/parents. Even with their flaws, taken together, their findings clearly outweigh the findings of a study which had a bizarre standard of what it means to have a Gay parent.

Nice try though. I'll bet you thought you had me on that one.

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I keep asking why these things weren't important on the pro gay studies, no answer yet...
However, is this one of the 'flaws' you are talking about?:
"The Studyís Sample
On that score, there is one significant strength to this study which makes it stand out. Unlike prior studies, the New Family Structures Study (NFSS) is based on a national probability sampled population. This is the gold standard for all social science studies, and itís extremely rare for a study to achieve that mark. As far as I am aware, all of the studies to date of gay and lesbian parenting use non-representative convenience samples. National probability samples, unlike convenience samples, are important because they alone can be generalized to the broader populations, to the extent that key characteristics in the design of the probability sample (demographics, etc.) match those of the general population. Convenience samples canít do that."
Hmmm, it even mentions the other 'studies'...
It NEVER ceases to amaze me how somebody could take one study and say it is the BEST one to prove his point.....EVEN when Social Scientists disagree with the study and point out the flaws......even the author of the study stated that he didn't take many factors into consideration!!!
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<quoted text>Actually cupcake, I'll be the first to admit that all of the studies on the subject of Lesbian and Gay parenting suffer from flaws in terms of methodology and sampling. Do these flaws invalidate all these studies? No, some most definitely, but all, no. What has been telling about all of these studies, despite flaws like sample size and not being representational enough, was that they all reached the same general conclusion that Lesbians and Gays can be good parents and none found a downside caused specifically because children have Lesbian or gay parent/parents. Even with their flaws, taken together, their findings clearly outweigh the findings of a study which had a bizarre standard of what it means to have a Gay parent.
Nice try though. I'll bet you thought you had me on that one.
what does kids have to do with marriage anyways? Then why are you taking a side?
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This article shows the flaws of the study and why:
http://www.edgephiladelphia.com/index.php...
NO flaws in the study. The problem that gays have is that they usually were abused by their own parents. They then compare same sex parenting to their own parents.
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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Actually cupcake, I'll be the first to admit that all of the studies on the subject of Lesbian and Gay parenting suffer from flaws in terms of methodology and sampling. Do these flaws invalidate all these studies? No, some most definitely, but all, no. What has been telling about all of these studies, despite flaws like sample size and not being representational enough, was that they all reached the same general conclusion that Lesbians and Gays can be good parents and none found a downside caused specifically because children have Lesbian or gay parent/parents. Even with their flaws, taken together, their findings clearly outweigh the findings of a study which had a bizarre standard of what it means to have a Gay parent.
Nice try though. I'll bet you thought you had me on that one.
Actually gaycake, I bet they could find a dog and pig couple that would make better parents than post gays.
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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Let's just pretend that it isn't an incredibly flawed study written by a researcher setting out to prove that Lesbians and Gays aren't good parents, let's ignore ALL the evidence of just how bad of a study it actually is. If you want to hang onto your delusion, knock yourself out, but don't get huffy when we don't buy into your fantasy.
Wow,gaycake, you are so upset your hIV is about to flare up again.
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<quoted text>Wow,gaycake, you are so upset your hIV is about to flare up again.
Well Geez,you're about as clever as an imbecile! Moron,sociopath? Now don't tell me,MENSA member perhaps? Well,seeing how world wide the majority of all people infected with the H.I.V. virus are heterosexual! So then tell us again,wow,heterocake,you are so upset your H.I.V. is about to flare up again! Tell us do you condemn all the children who have it also? Women also?
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A Final Note
I made a brief mention of the huge amount of money that was spent on this study, a sum that comes to $785,000. The lionís share came from the Witherspoon Institute, a think tank in Princeton, New Jersey (and not affiliated with Princeton University). Members of the Institute include Robert P. George, who drafted the Manhattan Declaration and whose recent paper in The Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy on same-sex marriage was critiqued at length by BTBís Rob Tisinai. The Withersoon Institute reportedly has close associations with such organizations as the National Organization for Marriage, the Family Research Council, and the secretive Catholic order Opus Dei. George also sits on the board of directors for the Bradley Foundation, which also provided funds for this study. The Bradley Foundation is considered one of the countryís largest and most influential right-wing foundations, although its contribution to this study is ďonlyĒ$90,000.
I mention this because it is important, but I donít want to over play its importance. All sorts of studies are funded by all sorts of institutions which support a variety of causes. Those sources can come from conservative, anti-gay organizations, or (as is the case with many studies which are favorable to LGBT issues) they can come from pro-gay sources such as the Williams Institute or other organizations. The source of funding can indicate a potential conflict of interest, but the true value of a study rests on the methodology of the study itself. If the methodology is sound, then the studyís conclusions are sound regardless of where the money comes from or whoís doing it. But where the methodology fails, the broken link affects the entire chain. While there are many grounds in which to attack this study, the only legitimate way to critique it is to examine the methodology, as I have done here.
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/10/4...
ARE YOU DONE ?? now STFU
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Well Geez,you're about as clever as an imbecile! Moron,sociopath? Now don't tell me,MENSA member perhaps? Well,seeing how world wide the majority of all people infected with the H.I.V. virus are heterosexual! So then tell us again,wow,heterocake,you are so upset your H.I.V. is about to flare up again! Tell us do you condemn all the children who have it also? Women also?
The virus originally came from the queer folk and you know it ... now STFU
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When you see the word or hear the word HIV/AIDS, the first thing society of is: "Homosexuals" it is fact.
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Bruno wrote:
<quoted text>The virus originally came from the queer folk and you know it ... now STFU

Wow really?! You sound like a southern. Leave the judging up to God k thx

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I like Romney, he wants to keep marriage between one man and one woman. He's not evolving on gender segregation marriage.

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The Truth wrote:
<quoted text>NO flaws in the study. The problem that gays have is that they usually were abused by their own parents. They then compare same sex parenting to their own parents.
WRONG links please
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Bruno wrote:
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ARE YOU DONE ?? now STFU
Dear,

The adults are talking.

You just go back to your coloring book. I think the 3rd page has an exiting picture of a flying penguin...
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WHY VOTE wrote:
Ok, I don't really care if same sex people get married or are together in any capacity. I am for equal rights BUT.......... I am very annoyed that peoples votes don't mean anything anymore. What happened to a majority vote rules? What happened to the peoples voice?
My stance on this has nothing to do with same sex couples. This is just the latest thing a court has overturned or blocked that THE PEOPLE voted for. Look at AZ., look back at prop. 187 which would have saved is billions in illegal immigrant funding. The people of the USA are trying to make changes to better our country and the few judges are effectively disenfranchising us.
Again this is not directed at same sex couples it is major frustration over the majority loosing there voice.
WHY VOTE????
AGREE - why vote - just let the courts decide
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The Truth wrote:
<quoted text>NO flaws in the study. The problem that gays have is that they usually were abused by their own parents. They then compare same sex parenting to their own parents.
The study is quite flawed. Simply because you don't understand the level of lunacy in accepting it at face value doesn't make it free of imperfections.

DO you have proof of this abuse?

I have four gay people living within 1000 feet of me.
My nephew, not abused.
His partner, not abused.
My neighbor, not abused.
Her partner, not abused.

I know all of them and their parents.
All four of these people are well adjusted, income earning, honest citizens.

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