Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

Nov 30, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CBS2

The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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Genesis completion

27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived.
This is a lengthy passage relating to the destruction of Sodom.

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yes, the cities of sodom and gomorrah were destroyed... but by what's known as a 'bituminous eruption' caused by earth quake activity along the fault line that they, and two other cities of the plain of siden were built.

granted, to the uneducated, and superstitious eye of an overly religious sheep herder standing on a mountain several miles away it probably looked pretty damned spectacular... even maybe like something that an angry, vengeful deity might do... but them again you can't believe everything that someone writes. maybe it's time that you studied the geological studies of the area, and the torah, rather than listening to someone read second hand information to you from an often mistranslated, misinterpreted book.

have you tried that?
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Genesis 19 (NIV) Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed
19 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said,“please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
“No,” they answered,“we will spend the night in the square.”
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom —both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot,“Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said,“No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”
9 “Get out of our way,” they replied.“This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.
10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.
12 The two men said to Lot,“Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”
14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry[a] his daughters. He said,“Hurry and get out of this place, because the Lord is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.
15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying,“Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.”
16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the Lord was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said,“Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”
18 But Lot said to them,“No, my lords,[b] please! 19 Your[c] servant has found favor in your[d] eyes, and you[e] have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can’t flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I’ll die. 20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it—it is very small, isn’t it? Then my life will be spared.”
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Weebles, you Asked for Bible Scripture. Besides ythat your point is mute. The 1st 5 books in the Bible Old Testament is the Torah

Books of the Torah

1. Genesis
2. Exodus
3. Leviticus
4. Numbers
5. Deuteronomy
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Wheebles, Here is another

Leviticus 18:22, 24

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things

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God Loves Everyone wrote:
Wheebles, Here is another
Leviticus 18:22, 24
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things
Fascinating, but completely irrelevant to civil unions in Illinois.
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Fascinating, but completely irrelevant to civil unions in Illinois.
Sorry but Weebles asked for Bible scripture in an earlier post. Just posting answer to Her request.
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Human waste storage organ?
I have no interest or fascination with sh1t and anal sex. Why are you do very obsessed with it?
As I stated before, it's just like clockwork for the fecal freaks to accuse their accusers when confronted with their indefensible perversity. Not obsessed, just disgusted with you intolerant deviants pushing your creepy lifestyle in the faces of us normal people.
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dances with weebles wrote:
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prove it.
and while we're on the subject, answer my question.
Go look it up knucklehead and you'll find your proof.
No animals do the gay fecal freakout.
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No need to argue with CJK, the brain cells aren't strong enough for old CJK to make a solid response. You are a bigot and that is all. Hide behind the 2000 year old book that is full of mistakes all you want brainless.
FYI, anyone this excited about poop and butt sex must be a homo. And I am sure you were born gay so don't worry about asking for forgivness, its okay.
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Go look it up knucklehead and you'll find your proof.
No animals do the gay fecal freakout.
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Please show me where I ever denied God exists.
Be careful that you don't fall off your pretty pedestal.
When you gleefully pointed to the Illinois Legislatures as absolute support for this lifestyle. If that isn't denying God and his existence, then what is it?
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dances with weebles wrote:
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well, both of those passages have nothing to do with homosexuality... and the man who wrote them was quite gay. not only that, but he was a heretic and an apostate. any other questions? if so, then it may pay you to pick up a few good history books at your local library, or enroll in a good bible study course at a non-denominational university.(you do realise, don't you that timothy, up until saul's death, was his main catamite. after the death of saul, god caused him to fall in love with the gay ethiopian king of the time... just as daniel did a generation before.
and if you were to actually read what i said, i believe that i never attacked anyone at all.
Ah, but you do attack even me, but the "facts" you delineate about Timothy are not true and they are absolutely predicated on supposition. If you didn't care for those verses, then how about Leviticus 18:22 or Romans 1:18-32.
Even if you feel these are not sufficient evidence of the Bible's position on homosexuality, let me simply ask you, "What would be definitive and on what legitimate texts would you justify your position. Could you stand before your creator and say, "Yep, I did it my way!" or would you say, "Yes, I obeyed my Creator." After all, it will ultimately be between you and your Creator, not between you or me or anyone else. Does your conscience tell you you are justified? If not, pick up a Bible and really spend some time with it if for no other purpose than to prove your point.
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What will Gays demand next,the right to marry their Gerbils so it wll be leagal to stick them up their A#SSS?
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Their disease rate has been hidden from public view until this year,. so very smart people found out how to get the information.

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"Homosexuality by definition is not healthy and wholesome. The homosexual person, at best, will be unhappier and more unfulfilled than the sexually normal person" . For other psychiatrists who believe that homosexuality is wrong, please see National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality.

* It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us.

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* Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 61 times the AIDS rate of heterosexuls in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 2-4% of the population.

AIDS Rate 61 Times Higher in Homosexual Men: Center for Disease Control

ATLANTA, Georgia, Officials with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced the CDC's estimate Monday that in the United States AIDS is sixty one times more prevalent among men who have sex with men ('MSM') than the rest of the population. Dr. Amy Lansky revealed this statistic during a plenary session at the HIV Prevention Conference in Atlanta.
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The CDC had already revealed last year that approximately 61% of the estimated 56,300 new HIV cases were in homosexual men, with the African American population being particularly affected.
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The new statistics, however, estimate the prevalence of HIV/AIDS relative to the homosexual population, which allows comparisons to other groups in the wider population. Because of the difficulty of determining the homosexual population, the CDC had to estimate. Based on a variety of national surveys, they based their statistics on the median estimate that homosexual men constitute 4 percent of the overall male population, reports RH Reality Check.
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According to Dr. Lansky, then, based on the 4 percent figure, the CDC estimates that there were 692.2 new HIV cases per 100,000 homosexual men - or sixty one more cases than the rest of the population.
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While merely an approximation, the CDC's announcement confirms previous statistics and studies that indicate vastly disproportionate occurrence of sex-related diseases in homosexuals. According to a CDC study, for example, homosexual men with HIV are 90 times more likely to develop anal cancer than the rest of the population.
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In fact, the statistics on HIV/AIDS led one group, the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center, to state that HIV/AIDS is a "gay disease," in a billboard ad campaign geared to reducing rates of HIV infection.
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While homosexuals have actively suppressed such statistics in the past and focused on portraying HIV/AIDS as a disease affecting the whole population in an equal fashion, the statistics' increasing undeniability has forced their hand. Rather than admit any inherent problem with homosexual practice itself, however, the apparent prevalence of disease among practicing homosexuals has led them to switch tactics and use these statistics to urge governments and other organizations to increase support to the homosexual communities.

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"By recently admitting that 'HIV is a gay disease, the outgoing Executive Director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, acknowledged what the medical community has known for decades: the homosexual lifestyle is extremely high-risk and often leads to disease and even death."
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What will Gays demand next,the right to marry their Gerbils so it wll be leagal to stick them up their A#SSS?

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Weebles, you Asked for Bible Scripture. Besides ythat your point is mute. The 1st 5 books in the Bible Old Testament is the Torah
Books of the Torah
1. Genesis
2. Exodus
3. Leviticus
4. Numbers
5. Deuteronomy
actually, the pentateuch... the first 5 books of the bible is a mistranslation and misinterpretation of the torah.
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Wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behav...
And, really, whether it's a choice or not is completely irrelevant. And if it's against someone's religion, that is also irrelevant. And if you disagree with it, that's irrelevant. I have met many heterosexual couples whose relationship is toxic and negatively affects the people around them (including the kids that they should have never had), but it's their right. Gay people don't disgust me, bigots and hateful people disgust me.
Frustrated control freaks like yourself disgust me.

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Wheebles, Here is another
Leviticus 18:22, 24
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things
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okay, let's look at this verse as taken directly from the torah, rather than the bible, shall we? first of all, it's found in the cleanliness code, not the holiness code. why do you think that is?

what it actually says, if translated directly from the hebrew is:

''men, do not lie in the lyings of a woman. it is towáveh'(taboo)

the word 'abomination' appears nowhere in the torah. what taboo meant (and means) in hebrew is unclean in the temple. the reason for this is simple. a woman who is on her menstrual period is forbidden to sleep inside the main house, but has a bed in a separate room outside. she is also forbidden to touch anything belonging to a man, or touching food. if a man were to sleep in the woman's bed, then he would be unclean and not allowed entrance into the temple, or to pray to yhvh until he had gone through a ritual cleansing which consisted of taking a bath on the third day, and again on the seventh day from his defilement. only then would he be considered 'clean' and the taboo would be lifted form him. it has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality, nor with men sleeping with other men except for in the latin and then the english translations of the text.(you do realise, don't you, that it was copied into english from the latin vulgate by john wycliffe, and not hebrew, don't you?(and that all susequent works built upon his original texts)

do you have anything else that we can help you with?

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Wrenches wrote:
<quoted text>Ah, but you do attack even me, but the "facts" you delineate about Timothy are not true and they are absolutely predicated on supposition. If you didn't care for those verses, then how about Leviticus 18:22 or Romans 1:18-32.
Even if you feel these are not sufficient evidence of the Bible's position on homosexuality, let me simply ask you, "What would be definitive and on what legitimate texts would you justify your position. Could you stand before your creator and say, "Yep, I did it my way!" or would you say, "Yes, I obeyed my Creator." After all, it will ultimately be between you and your Creator, not between you or me or anyone else. Does your conscience tell you you are justified? If not, pick up a Bible and really spend some time with it if for no other purpose than to prove your point.
i only just finished a lection on the lev: 18.22. you can read it in my previous post. that being said:

first things first: saul of tarsus was a fraud. the sooner you can understand that fact, the happier you will be.

all of saul's letters were written to his various catamites in the churches which he established and installed people in to oversee his financial empire. timothy was ensconced in the church at rome for a long time and the letters written to him there were discussing nothing more than the romans' reversion to the worship of their own gods and not the ones which he was attempting to sell to them.
as far as legitimate texts from the bible? well, homosexuality is mentioned only once in the bible and that was by jesus when he said that

being born gay from your mother's womb is called blessed by the holy father.

and lastly, there is not one indication anywhere, other than in saul's writings, that either i, or anyone else will ever 'face their creator'.

tell me, who do you follow, jesus or saul of tarsus? whose teachings carry more weight in your mind, those of jesus, or of saul?

i have read the bible through backward and forward and studied it for more than three decades now, both in and out of seminary and there is no condemnation of homosexuality to be found in it anywhere. you're basing everything on mistranslations and misinterpretations of it... and the lies which have been told to you by well meaning people who, in turn, have been lied to and have believed it.

jesus told us that if we wish to enter into fellowship with the father, then we must become as children. i'm afraid that too many people have interpreted that to mean 'childish'. what he was saying was that if we wish to learn through the holy spirit, then we must absolutely forget everything which we think that we know, and to unlearn everything that we have ever been taught and to begin anew with the spirit of god as our teacher... not the churches of man.

i do realise that this is a lot of information to absorb in such a short time, but i sincerely hope that you don't get bogged down in it. let me know if you need any more help understanding it, okay?

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Weebles! Go to AA!!!
very witty response. hmmm
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Weebles, If you intend to quote from the Torah or compare the bible verse (Leviticus 18:22) Please use book and paragraph references with your quotes.''(men, do not lie in the lyings of a woman. it is towáveh'(taboo)???)

Also I am all up for a discussion on these verses. I love to learn and perhaps we could both learn frm each other. What I will not tolerate is your arrogant attitude when you state something as gospell as if you are the high and mighty. Neither you nor I know everything about the Bible or the Torah. Healthy discussions are good for the soul.

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Genesis 19 (NIV) Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed
And nowhere in that story is there a condemnation of same sex relationships built on mutual love and respect. Your confuse rape by heterosexual men with love. Rape is not love, and love has nothing to do with rape.

The moral of Sodom and Gomorrah was about how you treat the stranger at the gate, as well as those around you, and had nothing to do with loving relationships between equals of the same sex. It tells us that you should love others, rather than abuse them. It teaches us not to harm others and supports the many stories and bible verses that tell us to treat others the way you would treat Jesus, which is hopefully the way you would want to be treated.

"Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom -- and not one of them mentions homosexuality. Even Billy Graham doesn't mention homosexuality when he preaches on Sodom."
"Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."

"It was common for soldiers, thieves, and bullies to rape a fallen enemy, asserting their victory by dehumanizing and demeaning the vanquished. This act of raping an enemy is about power and revenge," and it still happens today, most notoriously in prisons. It is not about love, it is about power and abuse. Rape is not love.

"The sexual act that occurs in the story of Sodom is a gang rape -- and homosexuals oppose gang rape as much as anyone. That's why I believe the story of Sodom says a lot about God's will for each of us, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today." (quotes from: What the Bible says - and doesn't say - about Homosexuality)

Many other explanations of this story agree the message is that you should not harm others but instead, treat them with love. It does not give permission to harm gay people.

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