Marijuana Less Damaging to Lungs Than Tobacco

St Stephen wrote:

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So you don't believe the United States Bureau of Justice Statistics? WOW! OK, well I don't have any better source...
As far as presenting my side with intelligence? You should practice what you preach because everything I have said on this subject is factual and can be backed up with real world data and real world studies. You on the other hand are just regurgitating the same misinformation the government has been feeding you for the last 50 years. Congratulations! Your government is very proud of you and your willful ignorance!

Oh St Stephen - Quit beating around the bush really. You don't give a crap what we spend on arresting 'casual users'- you just want it legal. Because if I told you we'd spend the exact amount or MORE making it legal, then you'd just go to your other real point which is "personal freedom's"., The fact is, you have no evidence to prove the Gov't would spend less money because the MJ users wouldn't be arrested. That money would just be spent on other things like our Gov't always does. But the reality is for you to have your "personal freedom", it means others giving up some of their "personal freedoms" UNLESS some strict guidelines are put into place and even then it's unlikely. I'm talking about freedoms like not having to worry about my town being taken over like the one in California by Marijuana users and decreasing the value of my property or the safety of our children. Think it won't happen? Already has. I have the right to drive without worrying about somebody hitting me from being drunk or high. But how many drunks or pot heads give a crap about that? I could go on and on...... personal freedoms are a give and take thing.... and I say too f'n bad if you don't like losing your gun if you "Need" medical Marijuana anymore than if you take any other narcotics. Personal choice now isn't it.

Businessminded_plus4 wrote:

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How about if we as a society...

Time to grow up!

How about we as a society mind our own f'ing business?

As long as I am in my own home and am not harming any other person on this planet how about you and leave me the f alone?

K?...K.

St Stephen wrote:

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You still haven't stated your point. You are using a tiny state (population wise) to say that if pot is legalized adolescent use will DOUBLE!!! How f'ing scientific. Lets keep with the facts and not your deductions. How a parent raises their children should have zero impact on my rights and personal freedoms as an ADULT!

Wow - where to begin. If that's true than you should be allowed to walk around naked then right?

The facts are there St Stephen - again, it's not rocket science. The state of Alaska DID make it legal - they saw a dramatic problem including significate increases in the youth usage - so they made it illegal. That is a reasonable deduction by most people's standards.

And guess what, a parent that buys alcohol for their child (ie teaches illegal activities) can and will go to jail. And it's REASONABLE to conclude that all children HAVE "Adults" in their household. Albeit some may be poor excuses for adults if they're doing drugs in front of their children. But just because YOU are an 'adult' doesn't make YOU the 'prequalifier' for ALL ADULTS. Get it? Based on my past posts I probably have to spell it out MORE for you. The 'rights' of an adult whom is responsible for children HAS LIMITATIONS of their rights. There are things you aren't allowed to do with, in the presence of, etc... CHILDREN. And if you still don't get it because you don't have kids, just assume for a moment, that all children have adults in their home. lol

St Stephen wrote:

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Time to grow up!
How about we as a society mind our own f'ing business?
As long as I am in my own home and am not harming any other person on this planet how about you and leave me the f alone?
K?...K.

Getting a bit cranky aren't we? Isn't that a problem with excessive marijuana smoking? lol...

You want ME to "mind my own business?" I'm sorry St Stephen - but I'm not IN your home -knocking down your doors demanding what you do or don't do in your own home - so therefor I AM minding my own business. And guess what, as long as you do what you say in that paragraph I can pretty much guarantee you that I won't interfere with your 'freedom' NOR will any police officer. That's pretty much a statistical guarantee.(Thought I'd throw that in there since you like statistics so much!) LMAO

St Stephen wrote:

You are using a tiny state (population wise) to say that if pot is legalized adolescent use will DOUBLE!!! How f'ing scientific.

Not will, Stevie boy...DID. Since you want to be scientific, do you have any sound data to show that the results would not be the same for any other population? Let's see it.

Businessminded_plus4 wrote:

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Wow - where to begin. If that's true than you should be allowed to walk around naked then right?
The facts are there St Stephen - again, it's not rocket science. The state of Alaska DID make it legal - they saw a dramatic problem including significate increases in the youth usage - so they made it illegal. That is a reasonable deduction by most people's standards.
And guess what, a parent that buys alcohol for their child (ie teaches illegal activities) can and will go to jail. And it's REASONABLE to conclude that all children HAVE "Adults" in their household. Albeit some may be poor excuses for adults if they're doing drugs in front of their children. But just because YOU are an 'adult' doesn't make YOU the 'prequalifier' for ALL ADULTS. Get it? Based on my past posts I probably have to spell it out MORE for you. The 'rights' of an adult whom is responsible for children HAS LIMITATIONS of their rights. There are things you aren't allowed to do with, in the presence of, etc... CHILDREN. And if you still don't get it because you don't have kids, just assume for a moment, that all children have adults in their home. lol

You keep bringing up Alaska so maybe you should also know that you can legally possess up to one ounce of marijuana in your home in Alaska without a penalty or fine. So in a sense marijuana is legal in the state of Alaska, but feel free to keep bringing Alaska up to prove your point.

vox veritatis wrote:

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Not will, Stevie boy...DID. Since you want to be scientific, do you have any sound data to show that the results would not be the same for any other population? Let's see it.

Adolescent use didn't DOUBLE in Alaska you dumbass, it supposedly went up to double the national average.

Pay attention or how about not butting in unless you know what the F you are talking about?

Businessminded_plus4 wrote:

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You want ME to "mind my own business?" I'm sorry St Stephen - but I'm not IN your home -knocking down your doors demanding what you do or don't do in your own home -

No but you support a system that does, therefore you are just as guilty as the cop who does.

http://www.sarnia.com/groups/antidrug/argumen...

Alaska

On November 7, 2000, voters in Alaska rejected Measure 5 by 60–40 percent. Measure 5 would have removed civil and criminal penalties for use of cannabis or other hemp products by adults age 18 and older and would have regulated the sale of cannabis similar to the sale of alcoholic beverages.[9]

On November 2, 2004, voters in Alaska rejected Measure 2 by 56–44 percent. Measure 2 would have prompted the state legislature to tax and regulate cannabis, and would have removed criminal penalties for cannabis use by adults aged 21 and older.[10]

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/govpubs/s...

Permissive drug policy originated with organizations like the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. President Carter's drug policy advisor Peter Bourne, as well as others like Arnold Trebach, Mathea Falco, Peter Reuter, Mark Kleiman helped to press for the lenient policy.

"Interestingly, during that time the use of marijuana and other drugs drastically increased. Use also increased in adolescents despite the fact that drugs never become legal or decriminalized for that age group. The use of marijuana among high school students in Oregon during decriminalization was double that of the national average. National averages of marijuana use among high school seniors increased to 50% of seniors having used in the previous year, and 10.7% used daily."

vinegar is less damaging to the eyes than battery acid . . . so what's your point

St Stephen wrote:

Adolescent use didn't DOUBLE in Alaska you dumbass, it supposedly went up to double the national average.
Pay attention or how about not butting in unless you know what the F you are talking about?

You would be wise to heed your own advice...or at least put the doob down for a while before you post.
http://www.sarnia.com/groups/antidrug/argumen...

California decriminalized marijuana in 1976, and, within the first six months, arrests for driving under the influence of drugs rose 46 percent for adults and 71.4 percent for juveniles.[33] Decriminalizing marijuana in Alaska and Oregon in the 1970s resulted in the doubling of use.

vox veritatis wrote:

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You would be wise to heed your own advice...or at least put the doob down for a while before you post.
http://www.sarnia.com/groups/antidrug/argumen...
California decriminalized marijuana in 1976, and, within the first six months, arrests for driving under the influence of drugs rose 46 percent for adults and 71.4 percent for juveniles.[33] Decriminalizing marijuana in Alaska and Oregon in the 1970s resulted in the doubling of use.

Ahemmmm...we are now in the 21st Century...some of us anyway.
Interesting stat...Yep, if you are basing your knowledge on those stats...no wonder you are so completely blind.

I guess the thing about marijuana is it is not addictive or habit forming like cigarettes. and I am proof of that. I smoked my first joint at twenty one and then for the next seven years smoked everyday then life changed I got married and quit for a few years got divorced started smoking daily again for a few years. became a truck driver and quit for ten years took a different job and smoked almost everyday for seven more years. Now I have a different job and decided to quit out of respect for my job and not be concerned with the specter of instant drug tests. And like I stated in my earlier post I decided I was a hypocrite for smoking it and supporting the criminals who distribute it, who don't care about anything except getting rich. I have never suffered from any type of withdraw, or harmful effects from smoking pot. If I ever smoke it again it will be grown by me.

It should be decriminalized, so people can grow there own and not support criminals, or be turned into criminals because of it. Just my three and half cents worth agree or disagree.

This is kinda a happy little thread, how could this die off?