Man found in snow had no place to turn

Ambie wrote:

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I hope that you can also see that there are posters who are completley against what happened to this man. I am reading alot of posts that are compasionate and insightful.

Yes i did see that many people compasionate that is why i said
alot of judgemental people here not all were judgemental

Unfortunatly some people will never change there minds on things they are to closed minded to see the truth.

Galder Kurt wrote:

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If they did, where was it for this poor man?

The shelters that wouldn't allow him in are run by "christian" organizations. That is the point.

Sister of a SO wrote:

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See thats where you are wrong Victims they were yes. but its mentality like yours that will make them victims for the rest of there lives. My grandchildren be what ever they choose to be but Victim's they will not remain. they will be surviors they will be
the more you tell someone they are victims the more they will believe it. They do not dwell on it its something that has happened to them and believe it or not they still love there Uncle. they are 16 and 14 now and when its time for my brother to be released if they choose to see him they will, its there choice.

You can believe all you want that the kids will be fine if you act like nothing happened. I have seen first hand what happens when parents like you make it into no big deal for little kids, just wait till they become adults. And you know the only reason you are acting like this "no big deal" and "I forgive him" is because he is family. This is what happens over again in family problems.

ima parent wrote:

<quoted text>The shelters that wouldn't allow him in are run by "christian" organizations. That is the point.

Yes - interesting point. Where are the non-Christian shelters and why aren't we pointing fingers at them for not doing a thing?

As a society, we believe that Sexual offenders and other criminals desrve a 2nd chance. We sentence jail time rather than a firing squad.

A firing squad is more humane than allowing a person on parole to freeze to death and morally we have an obligation to help these people. We also have a right and obligation to not put law abiding citizens, homeless or otherwise in danger. It would seem to me that both objectives could be obtained. With the agreement of the offender/homeless, why not simply lock the offender in a room for the night? And if this is not the answer than it's hard to believe that we can't come up with an intellegent solution.

Businessminded wrote:

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Yes - interesting point. Where are the non-Christian shelters and why aren't we pointing fingers at them for not doing a thing?

That wouldn't be a "christian" thing to do. Would it? I am in no way defending a sex offender. I am just sick of the hypocracy of all religions and churches.

ima parent wrote:

<quoted text>That wouldn't be a "christian" thing to do. Would it? I am in no way defending a sex offender. I am just sick of the hypocracy of all religions and churches.

And I'm tired of those casting stones at anything a Christian does or doesn't do. I guess they should just pull out of the shelter business altogether and let the "NON-Christians" take it over. Christians are not hypocrates PEOPLE are. YOU are the hypocrate and SOME Christians are hypocrates. This does not mean "Christians are hypocrates."

McBush wrote:

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You can believe all you want that the kids will be fine if you act like nothing happened. I have seen first hand what happens when parents like you make it into no big deal for little kids, just wait till they become adults. And you know the only reason you are acting like this "no big deal" and "I forgive him" is because he is family. This is what happens over again in family problems.

McBush I never said it wasn't a big deal. IT WAS.
the girls have been to alot of counceling and theraphy for what has happened to them. It is talked about when they need to talk. but they and thes rest of it do not dwell on them being VICTIMS. I never said they have had no problems. all Teens do weither they go thru something like this or not
Forgiveing my brother is something that Only I as a sister can understand. Unless someone has gone thru this, you will never understand the emotions that a person goes thru I went thru all of them. forgive yes I have, but forget no.
I hope you never have to go thru what some of the familys have had to go thur. and if you or someone you know has, I am sorry you or they have chosen to be a victim. We have chosen to be surviors and with the theraphy they get will as adults too.

Businessminded wrote:

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And I'm tired of those casting stones at anything a Christian does or doesn't do. I guess they should just pull out of the shelter business altogether and let the "NON-Christians" take it over. Christians are not hypocrates PEOPLE are. YOU are the hypocrate and SOME Christians are hypocrates. This does not mean "Christians are hypocrates."

There is nothing hypocritcal about what I am saying. I have said I personally would not take in a sex offender. Most of the people I know that go to church all the time are the most judgemental hateful people I have met. If you don't believe the same things they believe they are very intolerant. I don't claim to be one thing then have my actions say a completly differant thing.

ima parent wrote:

<quoted text>There is nothing hypocritcal about what I am saying. I have said I personally would not take in a sex offender. Most of the people I know that go to church all the time are the most judgemental hateful people I have met. If you don't believe the same things they believe they are very intolerant. I don't claim to be one thing then have my actions say a completly differant thing.

Well it is hypocritical of you to expect the church to do something you aren't willing to do yourself.

I won't argue Christian hypocrites exist. I believe evil exists everywhere and potentially within each individual - Christian or not. It seems to me you are attacking Christians for their being judgemental and hateful which is exactly what you are doing here towards ALL Christians whether you know them or not. Ironic.

Businessminded wrote:

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Well it is hypocritical of you to expect the church to do something you aren't willing to do yourself.
I won't argue Christian hypocrites exist. I believe evil exists everywhere and potentially within each individual - Christian or not. It seems to me you are attacking Christians for their being judgemental and hateful which is exactly what you are doing here towards ALL Christians whether you know them or not. Ironic.

I believe I have used the words "some" and "most" not ALL. We will have to agree to disagree on this.

ima parent wrote:

<quoted text>I believe I have used the words "some" and "most" not ALL. We will have to agree to disagree on this.

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"I am just sick of the hypocracy of all religions and churches."

Again, I have no problem with your irritation of hypocracy. But I do have a problem when you target out the religious as the primary offenders. I think those who attack the religious are often just as guilty if not moreso.

I personally have more problems with those who complain about things that they choose not to get involved in themselves. I have volunteered in various forms and heard whiners & complainers and it gets old. Volunteer organizations always do the best they can and are ALWAYS open to more volunteers.

ima parent wrote:

<quoted text>I believe I have used the words "some" and "most" not ALL. We will have to agree to disagree on this.

Oops! I made a mistake. Say a prayer for me!

Hey, it's just the HAVES & the HAVE NOTS... That's what our society is becoming.

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Hey, it's just the HAVES & the HAVE NOTS... That's what our society is becoming.

And that's because too many of the 'have nots' expect the gov't to take care of them.

i believe that betweeen the hours of 6 pm and 6am the people registere as sex offenders should be allowed shelter especially in the bad weather and required to remain inside the building during these hours to stay there,what right do we have as a community to allow someone to freeze to deat,we dont.