Gouverneur Police Department

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Just looking

Washington, DC

#1 Sep 20, 2011
Is it time for the village and the county to put there heads together. Maybe the mayor, Don Peck, the county administrator and the sheriff should start talking about absorbing the police departmant, so the village can have 24 hour police coverage. The remaning police officer could be transfered to the sheriff's office,with very little cost. Then the village could contract with the county for the police coverage that is needed.It is my understanding that Chief Whitton will be retiring soon, so no one would lose a job. It would also retain the much need jobs in this area, as well as give young people who are looking for a career in law enforcement a plce to look with out leaving the area. Just a thought thrown out there.

Since: Sep 11

Watertown, NY

#2 Sep 22, 2011
Wow............ so nice to see very well thought out. Nice to see that you are taking an interest and asking. My thoughts exactly.
Realistic

Watertown, NY

#3 Sep 23, 2011
Just looking wrote:
Is it time for the village and the county to put there heads together. Maybe the mayor, Don Peck, the county administrator and the sheriff should start talking about absorbing the police departmant, so the village can have 24 hour police coverage. The remaning police officer could be transfered to the sheriff's office,with very little cost. Then the village could contract with the county for the police coverage that is needed.It is my understanding that Chief Whitton will be retiring soon, so no one would lose a job. It would also retain the much need jobs in this area, as well as give young people who are looking for a career in law enforcement a plce to look with out leaving the area. Just a thought thrown out there.
OR, we could just dissolve the department, and save a ton on wages and over bloated benefits. As far as JOBS for future students; REALLY?
just wondering

Hollowville, NY

#4 Sep 23, 2011
This thought is nothing new. The board has already tried to push the issue onto the Sheriff. He told them that there was no guarentee that there would be someone assigned to the Village 24 hours a day 7 days a week if he was willing to do something like this. He also said something to the affect that they couldn't afford the coctract if they couldn't afford what they had then how could they afford something more. Public record shows that a 10 year Deputy makes more than a 10 year Village Officer. If the Sheriff contrated to Gouverneur then he would have to contract to every other Village with in the County. The sheriff by law is not required to have a road patrol, only required to have a jail and a civil division. They only way there would only be 24 hour 7 day a week coverage is if the Police Department was fully staffed with full time people.
LookUp

Watertown, NY

#5 Sep 23, 2011
Here is where you can find out EXACTLY what we pay these people.
http://seethroughny.net/PayrollsPensions/tabi...
Just looking

Washington, DC

#6 Sep 23, 2011
just wondering wrote:
This thought is nothing new. The board has already tried to push the issue onto the Sheriff. He told them that there was no guarentee that there would be someone assigned to the Village 24 hours a day 7 days a week if he was willing to do something like this. He also said something to the affect that they couldn't afford the coctract if they couldn't afford what they had then how could they afford something more. Public record shows that a 10 year Deputy makes more than a 10 year Village Officer. If the Sheriff contrated to Gouverneur then he would have to contract to every other Village with in the County. The sheriff by law is not required to have a road patrol, only required to have a jail and a civil division. They only way there would only be 24 hour 7 day a week coverage is if the Police Department was fully staffed with full time people.
The savings to the village would not be in wages, it may cost more to contract with the county. The saving to the village, is that they no longer have to pay benifits or contribute to the retirement fund. it is not true that the sheriff would have to contract with every village. If the village, wanted 24 hour coverage, a contract would be needed. The sheriff is mandated to enforce the law and is responsible for the public safety. The road patrol is the only way.
just wondering

Buffalo, NY

#7 Sep 24, 2011
You are correct the Sheriff would not have to contract with every Village. I was stating that if the Sheriff did this for the Village of Gouverneur then he would be obligated to provide the same service to each and every other Village with in the County. A contract dollar amount would include benifits as well as the retirement fund so essentially the Village would still be doing what they have been doing along. Besides they still would be contributing for the office staff and the dpw. The Sheriff is not required to enforced the law once again the Sheriff is only required to provide a jail and a civil division. The road patrol is an extra that the legislators can do away with at anytime.
CommonSense

Watertown, NY

#8 Sep 26, 2011
Even if you just take there vehicles away and let them sit at home (which is what they do anyway) we would at least save on the cost of gas!
Just looking

Washington, DC

#9 Sep 26, 2011
just wondering wrote:
You are correct the Sheriff would not have to contract with every Village. I was stating that if the Sheriff did this for the Village of Gouverneur then he would be obligated to provide the same service to each and every other Village with in the County. A contract dollar amount would include benifits as well as the retirement fund so essentially the Village would still be doing what they have been doing along. Besides they still would be contributing for the office staff and the dpw. The Sheriff is not required to enforced the law once again the Sheriff is only required to provide a jail and a civil division. The road patrol is an extra that the legislators can do away with at anytime.
I do appreciate your in put, but I don't think you understand the state retirement system. The police department does not contribute to there retirement, as the other village employees do. The village pay's 100% of the police officer. Also if you would look there are many mandates that the sheriff must perform, that are funictions that a road patrol must do. If the village contracts with the sheriff, for police services, the village would no longer pay for health insurance or have to pay for the police officers retirement or pay thier salaries. There is a good and bad in this idea. I just think it should be looked at.
just wondering

Canandaigua, NY

#10 Sep 26, 2011
As I stated the Sheriff is not required by law to have a road patrol division. Franklin County is a county that dos not provide a road patrol. Therefore it is an extra service provided. If it does have a raod patrol division than yes there are many mandates that it is required to follow as any police agnecy. What I was trying to point out is that if the Village Police are gone and the Village contracts with the County the Village would still be paying for retirement, health coverage and benefits. They only difference is that it would not be paying the directly as they do now they would be paying for this via the contract. If the County was to provide a contract to the Village they are not going to do it to loose money or break even I would assume that they would make the contract dollars benefiting the County. Now Sheriff Wells has already stated that if by some slim chance the Seriff's Department was going to police the Village that there is no gaurantee that there would be 24 hour 7 day a week coverage because the Sheriff's Department provides coverage to the whole County. If there was an incident requiring patrols in Massena then that is where the patrols go. The best protection a Village can receive is with there own people. People that are governed by and answer to them. The Village has the money to provide the services in fact Village residents are paying for a full time department and getting a part time department. You are very correct there is good and bad in the idea. The bad out weighs the good.
AintWorthIt

Watertown, NY

#11 Sep 26, 2011
Just looking wrote:
<quoted text>I do appreciate your in put, but I don't think you understand the state retirement system. The police department does not contribute to there retirement, as the other village employees do. The village pay's 100% of the police officer. Also if you would look there are many mandates that the sheriff must perform, that are funictions that a road patrol must do. If the village contracts with the sheriff, for police services, the village would no longer pay for health insurance or have to pay for the police officers retirement or pay thier salaries. There is a good and bad in this idea. I just think it should be looked at.
These cops are ALL lazy as hell and it is ridiculous that we have to pay all of their retirement. For what they actually do, we could just phase them out and they would not be missed, except by themselves, their lazy wives who depend on their gross pay and all their crony friends who get away with whatever they want.
WorthLookingInto

Watertown, NY

#12 Sep 26, 2011
LookUp wrote:
Here is where you can find out EXACTLY what we pay these people.
http://seethroughny.net/PayrollsPensions/tabi...
I was quite shocked to see one of the office girls got a 3,000 raise from 2009-2010 and who knows what she got from 2010-2011.From what I understand this woman also works for the town doing the accessing, is the registar and a notary.Hmmmmmmm very interesting, maybe the board should look a little deeper into the offices to see what is really going on up there.I'm sure they could cut back in that department too.
AgreeWithU

Watertown, NY

#13 Sep 26, 2011
WorthLookingInto wrote:
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I was quite shocked to see one of the office girls got a 3,000 raise from 2009-2010 and who knows what she got from 2010-2011.From what I understand this woman also works for the town doing the accessing, is the registar and a notary.Hmmmmmmm very interesting, maybe the board should look a little deeper into the offices to see what is really going on up there.I'm sure they could cut back in that department too.
Take a look at what these cops are making. AMAZING. And for those of you with the "They Risk Their Lives" argument, spare us. We can all see with our own eyes where they spend the bulk of their time when they are at "work". The only risks they are talking is the way they eat and drink.

Since: Sep 11

Watertown, NY

#14 Sep 26, 2011
Hmmmmmmmm AgreewithU, something to ponder. I still think that anyone person that gets up in the morning puts that uniform on the gun on the hip and starts they day of work? They make that choice knowing that they could get hurt or even killed that day. You personally make not think that would happen because you yourself wouldn't dream of wanting to do something stupid. But there are some pretty mentally unstable people in Gov, who just don't gice a shit. So I do respect them. I don't care about their personal lives or how they deal with their own personal diets. I care about how they save my life when I need them (not saying I need that) But if I need them they are there, I trust them.
I Do Care

Watertown, NY

#15 Sep 26, 2011
Virasana wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm AgreewithU, something to ponder. I still think that anyone person that gets up in the morning puts that uniform on the gun on the hip and starts they day of work? They make that choice knowing that they could get hurt or even killed that day. You personally make not think that would happen because you yourself wouldn't dream of wanting to do something stupid. But there are some pretty mentally unstable people in Gov, who just don't gice a shit. So I do respect them. I don't care about their personal lives or how they deal with their own personal diets. I care about how they save my life when I need them (not saying I need that) But if I need them they are there, I trust them.
Well when they break the same laws they ticket and arrest people for then they get the respect they deserve, which is very little here. And, statistically, working at CIVES or the paper mill is much more dangerous, so save the public hero bullshiit for someone who isn't as much of a whiner as they, and you are. DOn't believe it, let me know, and you can come to work with me for a day!
Really

Holden, MA

#16 Sep 26, 2011
I Do Care wrote:
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Well when they break the same laws they ticket and arrest people for then they get the respect they deserve, which is very little here. And, statistically, working at CIVES or the paper mill is much more dangerous, so save the public hero bullshiit for someone who isn't as much of a whiner as they, and you are. DOn't believe it, let me know, and you can come to work with me for a day!
Have you ever had to face person with a gun, do go to hostile domestic disputes not knowing nwhat your walking into, have been in a high speed prusuit. Statistically Really. Go work with a police officer maybe on Christmas day, oh yeah I forgot CIVES is closed on Christmas.
just saying

United States

#17 Sep 26, 2011
GPD keep up the good work
MakeMeLaugh

Utica, NY

#18 Sep 27, 2011
Really wrote:
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Have you ever had to face person with a gun, do go to hostile domestic disputes not knowing nwhat your walking into, have been in a high speed prusuit. Statistically Really. Go work with a police officer maybe on Christmas day, oh yeah I forgot CIVES is closed on Christmas.
I KNOWWWWW. These super brave GPD heros deserve our utmost respect.... NOT!
NOTReally

Utica, NY

#19 Sep 27, 2011
Really wrote:
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Have you ever had to face person with a gun, do go to hostile domestic disputes not knowing nwhat your walking into, have been in a high speed prusuit. Statistically Really. Go work with a police officer maybe on Christmas day, oh yeah I forgot CIVES is closed on Christmas.
Little heavy on the drama, don't ya think?
Really

Holden, MA

#20 Sep 27, 2011
NOTReally wrote:
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Little heavy on the drama, don't ya think?
no

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