JonBenet Investigation

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Steve Eller wrote:

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According to the medical report the head blow came first. Do some more research and try again.

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DETROIT wrote:

<quoted text>Just because I read about Santa at Christmas doesn`t mean that he exists. Likewise it`s OBVIOUS that the ONLY way that a head wound of that magnitude wouldn`t bleed is because she was strangled slowly for 2 hours so that no blood was in her head to bleed when she was later struck with the maglite. EVER SEE A HEAD INJURY? I have. They bleed profusely all over the place. They bleed pints of blood from head injuries. but Jonbenet didn`t because she had no blood in her head to bleed and because the killer had covered her head so that she wouldn`t see the death blow coming.

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DETROIT wrote:

<quoted text>Just because I read about Santa at Christmas doesn`t mean that he exists. Likewise it`s OBVIOUS that the ONLY way that a head wound of that magnitude wouldn`t bleed is because she was strangled slowly for 2 hours so that no blood was in her head to bleed when she was later struck with the maglite. EVER SEE A HEAD INJURY? I have. They bleed profusely all over the place. They bleed pints of blood from head injuries. but Jonbenet didn`t because she had no blood in her head to bleed and because the killer had covered her head so that she wouldn`t see the death blow coming.

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The Truth Hurts wrote:

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Also, there WAS bleeding and hemorrhaging in her skull. She just did not bleed from the head wound externally since hers was a closed head injury.

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DETROIT wrote:

<quoted text>You RDI`s tell each other lies and believe them. This WAS NOT a closed head injury. A closed head injury is when the skull remains intact. In Jonbenet`s case, a 1' by 2' chunk was dislodged from her skull by a blow which police state took 200 pounds of pressure to cause. A child or normally a woman couldn`t exert that much pressure. This was caused according to Spitz by a 3D maglite which exactly matched the dislodged skull piece.

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DETROIT wrote:

In Jonbenet`s case, a 1' by 2' chunk was dislodged from her skull by a blow which police state took 200 pounds of pressure to cause. A child or normally a woman couldn`t exert that much pressure. This was caused according to Spitz by a 3D maglite which exactly matched the dislodged skull piece.

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Legal__Eagle wrote:

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Detroit, I think you have some information wrong in your 1 x 2 chunk of skull that was dislodged and the scalp hemorrhage was 7 x 4 inches in size. I have copied the autopsy portion below for your reference. The displaced bone measured one and three-quarters by one-half inch.
Up-thread also, you will see a post where a 7 year old killed another 7 year old with a child size golf club.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonbenet-rams...
I wasn’t sure who said it would have had to be a 200 lb man who inflicted the wound, but if you say it was the police, ok, I thought it was Smit, but I don’t have a reference. In either case they would not have been qualified to determine that, and the article in the post I mentioned put it as definitively possible by a child 3 years younger than BR.
Skull and Brain: Upon reflection of the scalp there is found to be an extensive area of scalp hemorrhage along the right temporoparietal area extending from the orbital ridge, posteriorly all the way to the occipital area. This encompasses an area measuring approximately 7 x 4 inches. This grossly appears to be fresh hemorrhage with no evidence of organization. At the superior extension of this area of hemorrhage is a linear to comminuted skull fracture which extends from the right occipital to posteroparietal area forward to the right frontal area across the parietal portion of the skull. the posteroparietal area of this fracture is a roughly rectangular shaped displaced fragment of skull measuring one and three-quarters by one-half inch. The hemorrhage and the fracture extend posteriorly just past the midline of the occipital area of the skull. This fracture measures approximately 8.5 inches in length. On removal of the skull cap there is found to be a thin film of subdural hemorrhage measuring approximately 7-8 cc over the surface of the right cerebral hemisphere and extending to the base of the cerebral hemisphere. The 1450 gm brain has a normal overall architecture. Mild narrowing of the sulci and flattening of the gyri are seen. No inflammation is identified. There is a thin film of subarachnoid hemorrhage overlying the entire right cerebral hemisphere. On the right cerebral hemisphere underlying the previously mentioned linear skull fracture is an extensive linear area of purple contusion extending from the right frontal area, posteriorly along the lateral aspect of the parietal region and into the occipital area. This area of contusion measures 8 inches in length with a width of up to 1.75 inches. At the tip of the right temporal lobe is a one-quarter by one quarter inch similar appearing purple contusion. Only very minimal contusion is present at the tip of the left temporal lobe. This area of contusion measures only one-half inch in maximum dimension. The cerebral vasculature contains no evidence of atherosclerosis. Multiple coronal sections of the cerebral hemispheres, brain stem and cerebullum disclose no additional abnormalities. The areas of previously described contusion are characterized by purple linear streak-like discolorations of the gray matter perpendicular to the surface of the cerebral cortex. These extend approximately 6 mm into the cerebral cortex. Examination of the base of the brain discloses no additional fractures.

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DETROIT wrote:

There`s no proof of any kind that a golf club played any part in this murder, as RDI`s keep suggesting. They do this because they want to link an accident that occured when Burke accidentally hit Jonbenet with a golf club, so that they can link Burke to the murder. I believe that Jonbenet was garotted and then hit with the maglite. I believe this because it fits the known facts and because my suspect Gary McPlain told me that he garotted her, then covered her face then hit her with the maglite. I believe that possibly my brother was also there and that Burke heard them talking on the 2nd floor. Before the murder Gary talked about having slept on the targets bed in Charlevoix and leaving a suitcase and boots there. Then before the murder i saw a black baseball bat which appears to match the one found in the Ramsey yard. If so it would have been rubbed against the green carpet in the basement and have a blond hair stuck to it.

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Steve Eller wrote:

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According to the medical report the head blow came first. Do some more research and try again.

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Lynette 22 wrote:

<quoted text>If, by the "medical" report you mean the autopsy report, it did no such thing. It does, in fact, SUGGEST just the opposite:
"Cause of death of this six year old female is asphyxia by strangulation associated with craniocerebral trauma."
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/coroner-jon...

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DrSeussMd wrote:

The autopsy COD was listed as a Clineopatholocgic Correlation meaning there was a strong relationshipo between the two causes.
He wasn't willing to say individually which came first with any medical certainty, that was why he stated COD as a correlation.
She obviously had a traumatic and severe skull fracture and she also was strangled. We have to believe the strangulation would have killed her, but we don't know if the skull fracture would have killed her independently of the strangulation.
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DETROIT wrote:

There`s no proof of any kind that a golf club played any part in this murder, as RDI`s keep suggesting. They do this because they want to link an accident that occured when Burke accidentally hit Jonbenet with a golf club, so that they can link Burke to the murder. I believe that Jonbenet was garotted and then hit with the maglite. I believe this because it fits the known facts and because my suspect Gary McPlain told me that he garotted her, then covered her face then hit her with the maglite. I believe that possibly my brother was also there and that Burke heard them talking on the 2nd floor. Before the murder Gary talked about having slept on the targets bed in Charlevoix and leaving a suitcase and boots there. Then before the murder i saw a black baseball bat which appears to match the one found in the Ramsey yard. If so it would have been rubbed against the green carpet in the basement and have a blond hair stuck to it.

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maryB wrote:

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Steve Eller wrote:

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According to the medical report the head blow came first. Do some more research and try again.

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Steve Eller wrote:

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You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Your posts are filled with outright falsehoods and whole cloth changes in describing what took place.

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maryB wrote:

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The autopsy reports states specifically:
Cause of death of this 6-year-old female is asphyxia by strangulation associated with craniocerebral trauma.
And since it's true the cause of death has been discussed many times troughout the nearly 16 years since the crime, it is also true that the majority of experts who have studied the autopsy report have noted the strangulation causing the blood flow stoppage to the brain, thereby resulting in the small amount of blood inside the cavity -- said amount having been described as approximately 2 tablespoons of blood.(Or it could have said 2 teaspoons of blood -- frankly, I cannot remember exactly. But either amount would be considered a very small amount considering the location and extent of the injury.)
And much of what Detroit has said about the amount of blood found in the brain is true (according to most experts), i.e., that generally head blows result in enormous amounts of bleeding. But in this case, since the blood flow had been interrupted by the strangulation, no blood was getting to the brain and thus the small amount of blood found after the headblow.
This all makes complete sense with what JMK claimed. He said when he saw that JB had lapsed into what he termed, "a vegetative state", he tried ferociously to revive her, but upon his failure to do so, he became alarmed that she would remain so and live the remainder of her life in such a state -- a thought that was abhorrent to him. So he reached for his Maglite and dealt the blow to her head from her rear while she was lying face downward in front of him.
As in almost all of his recounting of events, this jibes with the evidence as we know it.