Many blacks shrug off Obama's new view on gays

May 11, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Peninsula Clarion

ARDMORE, Pa. - Like many black Americans, Dorsey Jackson does not believe in gay marriage, but he wasn't disillusioned when Barack Obama became the first president to support it.

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Duh?????????? You made no sense at all. And your stupid stats about how great KKKlinton was made no sense either. You are clueless and blind to reality.
Now Abdurratln, you are posting so much that you are addressing your statements to incorrect persons. "And your stupid stats about how great KKKlinton was made no sense either." ?????? Wasn't me that made great comments about Clinton. You can gig me on other comments but PLEASE do not put me in the Clinton camp!!!!!!
Slow down and take a deep breath !

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Follow-Up: The fruits call me 'homophobic' for opposing same sex marriages. I just love these 'phobic' buzz words.

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<quoted text>ya, there economies are doing good ONLY b/c of oil and poppys. If not for that.....Nope.
Afghanisatn is the only one whio export poppy. And taht vcountry is not doing so well with NATO occupation and all. The countries doing the best are precisely those on Obama's?KKKLinton's enemy list. They are Eritrea ( http://www.madote.com/2010/11/eritrea-has-3rd... ), Angola ( http://angolarising.blogspot.com/2012/04/ango... ) and of course Zimbabwe.( http://www.kmfs.org/content/zimbabwe-towards-... and http://forum.newzimbabwe.com/index.php... and http://www.amazingvictoriafalls.com/... and many other sources for those with enough to read the news.)

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<quoted text>Even that I am an 'Islamophobic' bigot (no one is perfect) you do have a lot of common sense for a Muslim, though I disagree with you on several things.
Of course we disagree on religious details. But, do not fear Islam or pan-Africanism. As the poorest of the poor do better economically which is what Pan-Africanism is all about, that will push things up for white Americans by providing new markets for their products. Islam is Monotheism which is a Belief in the One and Only True GOD. Do not be paranoid about nothing. Your fear is mostly based on lies and propaganda. What you ought to do is get to know your local neighborhood Muslim, most are decent people, although we do have our nutcases. I avoid crazy Muslims such as the nation of Islam, too. Nearly all Muslims avoid the nutcases.

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<quoted text>Now Abdurratln, you are posting so much that you are addressing your statements to incorrect persons. "And your stupid stats about how great KKKlinton was made no sense either." ?????? Wasn't me that made great comments about Clinton. You can gig me on other comments but PLEASE do not put me in the Clinton camp!!!!!!
Slow down and take a deep breath !
Sorry. I would not intentionally do that to my worse enemy.

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Of course we disagree on religious details. But, do not fear Islam or pan-Africanism. As the poorest of the poor do better economically which is what Pan-Africanism is all about, that will push things up for white Americans by providing new markets for their products. Islam is Monotheism which is a Belief in the One and Only True GOD. Do not be paranoid about nothing. Your fear is mostly based on lies and propaganda. What you ought to do is get to know your local neighborhood Muslim, most are decent people, although we do have our nutcases. I avoid crazy Muslims such as the nation of Islam, too. Nearly all Muslims avoid the nutcases.
I fear no man, and when called a 'phobic', I consider it very funny. As a young trooper in service to our country, I took out more than a few of our nations enemies (never did like communists anyway). My trusty (government surplus) M-1 is always at the ready at my home in California. With many years of military service, I am quite proficient with its use, and I can still take out a bad guy at six hundred yards. I don't associate with any undesirable people, but I do tell them what I think, and also I don't take any crap from them. Unfortunately, for the good Muslims like you, there are so many bad ones around (worldwide). You do make some good points in your posts.

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<quoted text>I fear no man, and when called a 'phobic', I consider it very funny. As a young trooper in service to our country, I took out more than a few of our nations enemies (never did like communists anyway). My trusty (government surplus) M-1 is always at the ready at my home in California. With many years of military service, I am quite proficient with its use, and I can still take out a bad guy at six hundred yards. I don't associate with any undesirable people, but I do tell them what I think, and also I don't take any crap from them. Unfortunately, for the good Muslims like you, there are so many bad ones around (worldwide). You do make some good points in your posts.
I would like to challenge you to a shooting contest, err, not at each other, by the way. I mean target shooting contest. With my glasses on, I can put one between the eyes at up to 1,000 meters.
I can put one between the buttcheeks at over 1,000 meters.

But, Islam is simply a religion, but the Best Religion ever known to mankind. 25% of the world's population are Muslims. Millions, perhaps 15 millions, are good Americans and USA citizens. Most are well educated and positive contributors to the community.

For example, yesterday I went to Jury Duty and one of the jurors was a Somali Hijabi wearing her headscarf and all. This morning I went to check out the classes available at the university and get lost in one of the faculty buildings. The first name I noticed on the Faculty office was an Arabic name: Asad Ahmed. There are Muslims on the police force and every agency of the Federal, state and local government. At least one or two serve in the Missouri legislature. I heard of one standing for office in Minnesota although I do not know if he was elected or not. It is like that. I bet one of your neighbors is a revout Muslim and you do not know it because most Muslims keep quiet. There is no way to avoid Islam in this global village we live in. So, all I want to do is see peace among the various sects. Islam specifically teaches us to live in peace and harmony with people. For example, the trolls in these forums get on my nerves on a daily basis. But I recently learned that The Quran specially discourages us from calling people "idiots". That is not easy to do under these circustances, but I have been trying and succeeding so far. No matter how angry they make me or how much they get on my nerves, I have not called them idiots recently. But, do not push your luck.

The thing about most veterans is we have seen a major part of the world. Porphet Muhammad is said to have said that travel in one of the best educations a person can get. We see the world in big terms whereas people who have never traveled see the world in petit, trivia and small terms. So we tend to able to appreciate human diversity. I know of no veterans who are conscious racists or sectarians the way a lot of people are. In fact, many vets that I know are in mixed marriages. You live in California so you know what I am talking about. I bet there are few second generations and virtually no third generations in California who are not racially mixed. My own family is mixed. This forces us to be open minded and rece[ptive to tghiose who are different from us.
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I would like to challenge you to a shooting contest, err, not at each other, by the way. I mean target shooting contest. With my glasses on, I can put one between the eyes at up to 1,000 meters.
I can put one between the buttcheeks at over 1,000 meters.
But, Islam is simply a religion, but the Best Religion ever known to mankind. 25% of the world's population are Muslims. Millions, perhaps 15 millions, are good Americans and USA citizens. Most are well educated and positive contributors to the community.
For example, yesterday I went to Jury Duty and one of the jurors was a Somali Hijabi wearing her headscarf and all. This morning I went to check out the classes available at the university and get lost in one of the faculty buildings. The first name I noticed on the Faculty office was an Arabic name: Asad Ahmed. There are Muslims on the police force and every agency of the Federal, state and local government. At least one or two serve in the Missouri legislature. I heard of one standing for office in Minnesota although I do not know if he was elected or not. It is like that. I bet one of your neighbors is a revout Muslim and you do not know it because most Muslims keep quiet. There is no way to avoid Islam in this global village we live in. So, all I want to do is see peace among the various sects. Islam specifically teaches us to live in peace and harmony with people. For example, the trolls in these forums get on my nerves on a daily basis. But I recently learned that The Quran specially discourages us from calling people "idiots". That is not easy to do under these circustances, but I have been trying and succeeding so far. No matter how angry they make me or how much they get on my nerves, I have not called them idiots recently. But, do not push your luck.
The thing about most veterans is we have seen a major part of the world. Porphet Muhammad is said to have said that travel in one of the best educations a person can get. We see the world in big terms whereas people who have never traveled see the world in petit, trivia and small terms. So we tend to able to appreciate human diversity. I know of no veterans who are conscious racists or sectarians the way a lot of people are. In fact, many vets that I know are in mixed marriages. You live in California so you know what I am talking about. I bet there are few second generations and virtually no third generations in California who are not racially mixed. My own family is mixed. This forces us to be open minded and rece[ptive to tghiose who are different from us.
Good post ! If you are able or willing, Give your opinon of Sharia Law ? Was the law an offshoot of man or did it come from Muhammad ?

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<quoted text>Good post ! If you are able or willing, Give your opinon of Sharia Law ? Was the law an offshoot of man or did it come from Muhammad ?
Ahhh. Great question and I agree with your assessment of the previous post.

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<quoted text>Good post ! If you are able or willing, Give your opinon of Sharia Law ? Was the law an offshoot of man or did it come from Muhammad ?
GOD Sent down GOD's Law in The Quran. Keep in mind that GOD previously Sent down the Mosaic Law which seems much harsher than Sharia. The problem with the Mosaic law is I suspected it has been doctored to make it seem worse than it actually is. Over the centruies, many Muslims assimliated parts of the Mosaic Law into Islam and this is what we mainly have now as Sharia Law.

But, Islam by definition is very moderate. Therefore, if we adhere to the more conservative forms of Islam such as Salafi-ism we will find that it is actually lenient beyond any expectations. This is because they place a lot of emphaisis on adhering only what can be proven to have come directly from Muhammad when he was alive or immediately after his death when there were rulers who had known him face to face. That is a very moderate form or Islam. But after all the Caliphs who knew Muahmmad face to face had died off, other well meaning people came to power and mis-undertsood Islam and started competing with Judaism (and Chrstianity) to see who could be more stupid and extreme and ridiculous and harsh.

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I am not Salafi, by the way.

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GOD Sent down GOD's Law in The Quran. Keep in mind that GOD previously Sent down the Mosaic Law which seems much harsher than Sharia. The problem with the Mosaic law is I suspected it has been doctored to make it seem worse than it actually is. Over the centruies, many Muslims assimliated parts of the Mosaic Law into Islam and this is what we mainly have now as Sharia Law.
But, Islam by definition is very moderate. Therefore, if we adhere to the more conservative forms of Islam such as Salafi-ism we will find that it is actually lenient beyond any expectations. This is because they place a lot of emphaisis on adhering only what can be proven to have come directly from Muhammad when he was alive or immediately after his death when there were rulers who had known him face to face. That is a very moderate form or Islam. But after all the Caliphs who knew Muahmmad face to face had died off, other well meaning people came to power and mis-undertsood Islam and started competing with Judaism (and Chrstianity) to see who could be more stupid and extreme and ridiculous and harsh.
Thank you for your insightful views. I will reflect upon what you have just said.

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And. I think each nation has the right to decide if or how to implemennt Sharia. In the case of Iran, for example, they have the right to have their Islamic Republic. (They are Shias, not Sunnis. The Pakistanis have a much more relaxed from of Islamic Republic. The Pakistanis are Sunnis. One of their PM's was a woman. As for Iran, they have more women in university than men. Saudi Arabia is considered to be harsher than most with a hardline form of Sunni-ism. Than there is Somalia which is the oldest Muslims country in the world with a higher percenatge of Muslims than anybody else, including Saudi. Somalis are known as moderate Muslims. Somali women enjoy a high status in their community comparable to that held by women in every part of Africa. There have been women rulers over Somalia at least in one instance. She was so mean and evil and harsh until people urinate on her grave to this day. But, beleve it or not, women rulers in Islam is a reality that seldom even comes to mind in Islam. It comes naturally to Muslims until we get the bad influences from outside Islam as mentioned above. The first ruler over the Muslims after Muhammad died was one of his wives who was elected by his other wives. She became the one who did more than anyone else to compile Hadith because she knew more about Muhammad than anyone else. And she was perhaps the most advanced person alive in Islamic Jurisprudence. Her name is Aisha.

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And. I think each nation has the right to decide if or how to implemennt Sharia. In the case of Iran, for example, they have the right to have their Islamic Republic.(They are Shias, not Sunnis. The Pakistanis have a much more relaxed from of Islamic Republic. The Pakistanis are Sunnis. One of their PM's was a woman. As for Iran, they have more women in university than men. Saudi Arabia is considered to be harsher than most with a hardline form of Sunni-ism. Than there is Somalia which is the oldest Muslims country in the world with a higher percenatge of Muslims than anybody else, including Saudi. Somalis are known as moderate Muslims. Somali women enjoy a high status in their community comparable to that held by women in every part of Africa. There have been women rulers over Somalia at least in one instance. She was so mean and evil and harsh until people urinate on her grave to this day. But, beleve it or not, women rulers in Islam is a reality that seldom even comes to mind in Islam. It comes naturally to Muslims until we get the bad influences from outside Islam as mentioned above. The first ruler over the Muslims after Muhammad died was one of his wives who was elected by his other wives. She became the one who did more than anyone else to compile Hadith because she knew more about Muhammad than anyone else. And she was perhaps the most advanced person alive in Islamic Jurisprudence. Her name is Aisha.
Yes very interesting also. Thanks.
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And. I think each nation has the right to decide if or how to implemennt Sharia. In the case of Iran, for example, they have the right to have their Islamic Republic.(They are Shias, not Sunnis. The Pakistanis have a much more relaxed from of Islamic Republic. The Pakistanis are Sunnis. One of their PM's was a woman. As for Iran, they have more women in university than men. Saudi Arabia is considered to be harsher than most with a hardline form of Sunni-ism. Than there is Somalia which is the oldest Muslims country in the world with a higher percenatge of Muslims than anybody else, including Saudi. Somalis are known as moderate Muslims. Somali women enjoy a high status in their community comparable to that held by women in every part of Africa. There have been women rulers over Somalia at least in one instance. She was so mean and evil and harsh until people urinate on her grave to this day. But, beleve it or not, women rulers in Islam is a reality that seldom even comes to mind in Islam. It comes naturally to Muslims until we get the bad influences from outside Islam as mentioned above. The first ruler over the Muslims after Muhammad died was one of his wives who was elected by his other wives. She became the one who did more than anyone else to compile Hadith because she knew more about Muhammad than anyone else. And she was perhaps the most advanced person alive in Islamic Jurisprudence. Her name is Aisha.
In your opinion, with all the different perspectives of Islamic beliefs being practiced, will there ever be a peaceful reconcilation or will they continue to battle for supremacy through subjugation? In the U.S. we have different views of the word of god, but there is not open war fare being practiced against each other in attempts to convert them to their particular understandings or beliefs.
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<quoted text>In your opinion, with all the different perspectives of Islamic beliefs being practiced, will there ever be a peaceful reconcilation or will they continue to battle for supremacy through subjugation? In the U.S. we have different views of the word of god, but there is not open war fare being practiced against each other in attempts to convert them to their particular understandings or beliefs.
WOW, wonder why. Could be that the U.S. was *literally founded* on an understanding that any religious group has *literally zero* right to INSTRUCT others how to believe or to behave.

This is an understanding so basic and so fundamental to U.S. law that it makes any country who attempts to force or mandate "religion" look like cavemen to most citizens of the U.S.-- despite the very fact that there are numerous "christians" here attempting to do *EXACTLY*,*EXACTLY* the same thing all the time, and failing much, much, much more frequently than they do elsewhere because the United States Constitution expressly does not support such law.
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WOW, wonder why. Could be that the U.S. was *literally founded* on an understanding that any religious group has *literally zero* right to INSTRUCT others how to believe or to behave.
This is an understanding so basic and so fundamental to U.S. law that it makes any country who attempts to force or mandate "religion" look like cavemen to most citizens of the U.S.-- despite the very fact that there are numerous "christians" here attempting to do *EXACTLY*,*EXACTLY* the same thing all the time, and failing much, much, much more frequently than they do elsewhere because the United States Constitution expressly does not support such law.
So name some of those numerous "christians" that are attempting to *EXACTLY* mandate their beliefs on others in the U.S.
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<quoted text>So name some of those numerous "christians" that are attempting to *EXACTLY* mandate their beliefs on others in the U.S.
This looks like trolling to me, a deliberate manipulative post or deliberate obtuseness, but I will leave the brunt of the work to you:

Go get the population of North Carolina, and you do the math. How many millions of people is that?

Who voted to *constitutionalize a ban* on gay marriage?

Thus *stomp-kicking* their beliefs down others' throats?

Oh, wait, "sorry"; their "RELIGIOUS" beliefs?

Hmmmm?

What the hell drug are you on?

Are you out of your mind?

Are you out. of. your. mind.

To ask that question.

Christ.

This *had* to be trolling. HAD to be.
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Know what? This is so devoid of sense to me that I *want* you to come back and tell me that SOMEHOW, what North Carolina did does *NOT* represent Percentage X of "christians" forcing their beliefs on others.

Because if there are that many million people in that state,

and they *CANNOT* be classified in this manner,

then you have lost 100.0% the ability to argue (if you wanted to) that *two, three, six, seven judges* have ever forced their beliefs upon anyone.

In case you missed that elementary point,*LOGIC*(ever hear of it?) dictates that if you claim six or seven people did that, then by definition *millions* all the more clearly and unargably did it in some fashion, unless you're deliberately attempting to define words in two different contexts.

And as I've noticed, the antigay are the ones attempting to redefine *everything* including numerous words in the dictionary,

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This looks like trolling to me, a deliberate manipulative post or deliberate obtuseness, but I will leave the brunt of the work to you:
Go get the population of North Carolina, and you do the math. How many millions of people is that?
Who voted to *constitutionalize a ban* on gay marriage?
Thus *stomp-kicking* their beliefs down others' throats?
Oh, wait, "sorry"; their "RELIGIOUS" beliefs?
Hmmmm?
What the hell drug are you on?
Are you out of your mind?
Are you out. of. your. mind.
To ask that question.
Christ.
This *had* to be trolling. HAD to be.
So you are unable to name a few Christians that are pushing their RELIGIOUS beliefs onto others. How many have been killed due to a different understanding of the bible?
Trolling ? The only troll in this conversation is YOU, since YOU were the one that contested a post dealing with different Islamic sections going to war with each other over their differences. The entire post was different religions in the US have not gone to war over their different readings of the bible.
YOU are attempting to troll your misguided opinion into religion as being the cause of NC voting against Gay Marriage. No rational sane person regardless of their religion would say that homosexual habits are normal.

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