Abortion petition drive falls short for Nov. ballot

ice wrote:

Not every state agrees with what they will do. People across the states all seem different.

Tricoli wrote:

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That is true but it would be nice if we could all have a vote on it instead of just having to put up with judges choosing what is right and what is wrong on this issue.

LadyLawDawg wrote:

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I completely agree - a small panel of judges making life-altering decisions for millions of people is so unfair.

John Smith wrote:

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I completely disagree... a small group of White Red Neck Christians (as in South Dakota) does not have the intelligence to make logical, educated decisions for millions of people (particularly on women's health issues)
The stats:
I am amazed by the differences in demographics of the different states here...
For example, in South Dakota, making the most radical challenge to state abortion laws comes from South Dakota, where .003 percent of the population is Jewish.
It would be a somewhat conservative estimate, therefore to say that 99% of the state is Christian and White.(also very few blacks)
( http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/U ...)
(As a comparison, the state with the most prestigious educational institutions in the country, Massachusetts, has .42 percent Jewish population.)
South Dakota only has .002 percent of the entire population of the United States.(est. 282,000,000 total pop.)
38,000 people out of the 756,000 people in S.D. have made their point that they think the abortion challenge should be repealed. 756,000 - 38,000 leaves 714,000. Let's say that 75 percent of the people support the extreme abortion laws, that would be app. 350,000 righteous citizens.
At a national level, a rough estimate of Choice/Life would be 50/50?(for general argument)
So here you have 350,000 people who think they know better than 141,000,000 other people!
South Dakota is one of three states to have only one abortion provider in the entire state – the others being North Dakota and Mississippi.
Other interesting stats:
(from http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/south_dak ...)
In 2000, 870 women obtained abortions in South Dakota, producing a rate of 5.5 abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age. Some of these women were from other states, and some South Dakota residents had abortions in other states, so this rate may not reflect the abortion rate of state residents. The rate declined 15% since 1996, when it was 6.5 abortions per 1,000 women 15-44. Abortions in South Dakota represent 0.1 of all abortions in the United States.
• In South Dakota, 13,540 of the 158,436 women of reproductive age became pregnant in 2000. 76% of these pregnancies resulted in live births and 8% in induced abortions.
• In 2000, 98% of South Dakota counties had no abortion provider. 78% of South Dakota women lived in these counties. In the Midwest census region, where South Dakota is located, 28% of women having abortions traveled at least 50 miles, and 10% traveled more than 100 miles.
All of these statistics are well below the national average for 2000. All the while, infant mortality rates in South Dakota have risen well above the national average. Current stats have been conveniently difficult to find – an odd little omission in all of the political babble. Neither the Center for Disease Control nor a search done via the South Dakota Department of Health turned up recent statistics for maternal mortality rates - although you can find out how many people were killed by a tractor. Three.

national law wrote:

It is in the constitution that women have this right, it is not up for debate!

John Smith wrote:

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I completely disagree... a small group of White Red Neck Christians (as in South Dakota) does not have the intelligence to make logical, educated decisions for millions of people (particularly on women's health issues)
The stats:
I am amazed by the differences in demographics of the different states here...
For example, in South Dakota, making the most radical challenge to state abortion laws comes from South Dakota, where .003 percent of the population is Jewish.
It would be a somewhat conservative estimate, therefore to say that 99% of the state is Christian and White.(also very few blacks)
( http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/U ...)
(As a comparison, the state with the most prestigious educational institutions in the country, Massachusetts, has .42 percent Jewish population.)
South Dakota only has .002 percent of the entire population of the United States.(est. 282,000,000 total pop.)
38,000 people out of the 756,000 people in S.D. have made their point that they think the abortion challenge should be repealed. 756,000 - 38,000 leaves 714,000. Let's say that 75 percent of the people support the extreme abortion laws, that would be app. 350,000 righteous citizens.
At a national level, a rough estimate of Choice/Life would be 50/50?(for general argument)
So here you have 350,000 people who think they know better than 141,000,000 other people!
South Dakota is one of three states to have only one abortion provider in the entire state – the others being North Dakota and Mississippi.
Other interesting stats:
(from http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/south_dak ...)
In 2000, 870 women obtained abortions in South Dakota, producing a rate of 5.5 abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age. Some of these women were from other states, and some South Dakota residents had abortions in other states, so this rate may not reflect the abortion rate of state residents. The rate declined 15% since 1996, when it was 6.5 abortions per 1,000 women 15-44. Abortions in South Dakota represent 0.1 of all abortions in the United States.
• In South Dakota, 13,540 of the 158,436 women of reproductive age became pregnant in 2000. 76% of these pregnancies resulted in live births and 8% in induced abortions.
• In 2000, 98% of South Dakota counties had no abortion provider. 78% of South Dakota women lived in these counties. In the Midwest census region, where South Dakota is located, 28% of women having abortions traveled at least 50 miles, and 10% traveled more than 100 miles.
All of these statistics are well below the national average for 2000. All the while, infant mortality rates in South Dakota have risen well above the national average. Current stats have been conveniently difficult to find – an odd little omission in all of the political babble. Neither the Center for Disease Control nor a search done via the South Dakota Department of Health turned up recent statistics for maternal mortality rates - although you can find out how many people were killed by a tractor. Three.

national law wrote:

It is in the constitution that women have this right, it is not up for debate!

Tricoli wrote:

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Not even one of these points make an argument against voting on the issue. Every state should vote on it since it is clear that we will never have a national referrendum on the issue, we should a least allow each state to decide. It is clear the pro-aborts are afraid of democracy on this issue because in many states (possibly half of more) most if not all abortions would be restricted and unborn children would finally have the respect they should have had all along.

CCC wrote:

LETS GO BACK TO ILL.ABORTIONS IN ALLEYS AND BACK ROOM!THAT SHOULD MAKE ALL OF US HAPPY

LadyLawDawg wrote:

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"..."Knowing that if a true poll were taken, we would be soundly defeated, we simply fabricated the results of fictional polls. We announced to the media that we had taken polls and that 60 percent of Americans were in favor of permissive abortion. This is the tactic of the self-fulfilling lie. Few people care to be in the minority. We aroused enough sympathy to sell our program of permissive abortion by fabricating the number of illegal abortions done annually in the U.S. The actual figure was approaching 100,000, but the figure we gave to the media repeatedly was 1 million.
"Repeating the big lie often enough convinces the public. The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around 200-250 annually. The figure we constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false figures took root in the consciousness of Americans, convincing many that we needed to crack the abortion law."
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp...

Tricoli wrote:

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This was the best article I have ever read on the issue and it illustrates the extent to which pro-aborts will go to promote their world view. The truth is no concern of theirs!

national law wrote:

It is in the constitution that women have this right, it is not up for debate!

Denise wrote:

And I'm really glad this did not make it on any ballot. It shouldn't. It's a PRIVATE matter.
I'd worry more about jobs in da UP instead of more children living in poverty.
Take some freaking birth control...and teach your kids that having babies is not the best way to pass time. I've been visiting the UP for 50 years. LESS children would do the area well; more education would do wonders.