Northern Virginia Anglican Church Settles Out of Court with Episcopal Church

Apr 19, 2011 Full story: www.virtueonline.org 90

Church of the Word (COTW), one of a handful of Northern Virginia churches embroiled in a four-year long lawsuit with The Episcopal Church (TEC), will retain its church property after an out-of-court settlement signed Monday, April 18, released it from the pending litigation.

The leadership of COTW, which is a multiracial congregation made up of predominantly young families, is relieved to have achieved their major goals of separating from TEC, retaining their property, and preserving their tradition of worship and ministry ... Full Story
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Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Apr 19, 2011
from virtueonline:

"Church of the Word is one of a number of formerly Episcopal congregations that had severed ties with the denomination over matters of doctrinal drift and novel pastoral practices. Upon breaking away from the denomination in December 2006, TEC filed a lawsuit against eleven Northern Virginia churches in an attempt to keep them from retaining their property ...

"COTW's settlement allows it to keep its property, and now free of litigation, may concentrate on its vision, which is to 'Encounter and Share Jesus Christ'. It does, however, require that COTW sever its affiliation with the newly established Anglican Church in North America (ACNA), and the Anglican District of Virginia (ADV) for a period of five years."
Listen to the Word

Kingman, AZ

#2 Apr 19, 2011
I see that TEC's doctrinal stand is "anything but orthodoxy."

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#3 Apr 20, 2011
Listen to the Word wrote:
I see that TEC's doctrinal stand is "anything but orthodoxy."
Then you are a blind man.
Think Again

Holly Springs, NC

#4 Apr 20, 2011
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you are a blind man.
And you are delusional if you think TEC is orthodox.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#5 Apr 20, 2011
Think Again wrote:
<quoted text>
And you are delusional if you think TEC is orthodox.
And just what would be "orthodox?"

You are so full of B.S. that your own people don't want to put up with your bullying. Does your accusative behavior qualify as orthodox Christian or orthodox satan?

How about you describing for the rest of us orthodox posters here the differences between Eastern Orthodox and orthodox Southern Baptist?

Or, maybe you'd like to take a stab at the difference between orthodox Lutheran and orthodox Seventh day Adventist? Oh, pardon moi. Perhaps you'd like to define orthodox Lutheran first. That way you could successfully eliminate all other Lutherans except about four people in your own parish, including sainted LCMS Professor Lewis Spitz (who, by the way, was "sainted" in a very unorthodox fashion, according to the Roman orthodox view).

Well, then. How about describing the difference between High Church Episcopalian and Low Church Episcopalian? One of those is certainly orthodox, as far as your definition goes, because one is claiming orthodoxy and the other is not. On the other hand, which one is actually closer in doctrine, form and substance to the Early Church prior to 200 A.D. or BCE, before the establishment of creeds and the destruction of orthodox gnosticism by the yet-to-be orthodox?

Or perhaps you would like to describe the difference between orthodox Jews that comprise a Christian Church - that being two or three gathered together in His name vs. the orthodoxy of a Roman Catholic Cathedral?

No can do? Unable to comprehend those differences. Not able to describe such orthodoxies in any great detail because they don't agree with each other?

While you are at it, how about describing the Orthodoxy of your own brand of sanctimonious LCMS? Maybe I can help you out here:

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp...

Very interesting that this site, created and maintained by the LCMS, offers numerous differences between the orthodoxy of several other Churches, but, strangely, offers no explanation of differences between itself and the Roman Catholic orthodoxy.

Still Catholic at heart, TA?....LOL!...

You are funny, buddy. But, not so much in any humorous way.

As for any and all of my own delusions, I look forward to letting them be dissolved in the Light and Love of Christ Jesus; another orthodox view and belief which is strangely not listed in the comparisons of LCMS orthodox doctrinal views provided through the link above.

But, this view was certainly held in the Early Church, which makes the particular doctrine more "Orthodox" than all of the entire existence of either the Episcopal Church or the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.

You have a serious case of what is generally understood from the orthodox point of view as "spiritual heterodox constipation."

Rev. Ken

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#6 Apr 20, 2011
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
And just what would be "orthodox?"
You are so full of B.S. that your own people don't want to put up with your bullying. Does your accusative behavior qualify as orthodox Christian or orthodox satan?
How about you describing for the rest of us orthodox posters here the differences between Eastern Orthodox and orthodox Southern Baptist?
Or, maybe you'd like to take a stab at the difference between orthodox Lutheran and orthodox Seventh day Adventist? Oh, pardon moi. Perhaps you'd like to define orthodox Lutheran first. That way you could successfully eliminate all other Lutherans except about four people in your own parish, including sainted LCMS Professor Lewis Spitz (who, by the way, was "sainted" in a very unorthodox fashion, according to the Roman orthodox view).
Well, then. How about describing the difference between High Church Episcopalian and Low Church Episcopalian? One of those is certainly orthodox, as far as your definition goes, because one is claiming orthodoxy and the other is not. On the other hand, which one is actually closer in doctrine, form and substance to the Early Church prior to 200 A.D. or BCE, before the establishment of creeds and the destruction of orthodox gnosticism by the yet-to-be orthodox?
Or perhaps you would like to describe the difference between orthodox Jews that comprise a Christian Church - that being two or three gathered together in His name vs. the orthodoxy of a Roman Catholic Cathedral?
No can do? Unable to comprehend those differences. Not able to describe such orthodoxies in any great detail because they don't agree with each other?
While you are at it, how about describing the Orthodoxy of your own brand of sanctimonious LCMS? Maybe I can help you out here:
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp...
Very interesting that this site, created and maintained by the LCMS, offers numerous differences between the orthodoxy of several other Churches, but, strangely, offers no explanation of differences between itself and the Roman Catholic orthodoxy.
Still Catholic at heart, TA?....LOL!...
You are funny, buddy. But, not so much in any humorous way.
As for any and all of my own delusions, I look forward to letting them be dissolved in the Light and Love of Christ Jesus; another orthodox view and belief which is strangely not listed in the comparisons of LCMS orthodox doctrinal views provided through the link above.
But, this view was certainly held in the Early Church, which makes the particular doctrine more "Orthodox" than all of the entire existence of either the Episcopal Church or the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.
You have a serious case of what is generally understood from the orthodox point of view as "spiritual heterodox constipation."
Rev. Ken
Great comment!

Orthodoxy like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That is a real problem for the blind like Think Again.

From Lewis Carroll - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass

"Do you know, I always thought unicorns were fabulous monsters, too? I never saw one alive before!"

Well, now that we have seen each other," said the unicorn, "if you'll believe in me, I'll believe in you."

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#7 Apr 20, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
Orthodoxy like beauty is in the eye of the beholder ...
More moral relevatism.

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#8 Apr 21, 2011
Rejoice! Justice will be done.

From the Episcopal News Service:

http://www.ecusa.anglican.org/80263_128127_EN...

OHIO: Court rules in favor of Episcopal Church, diocese in property disputes

By Mary Frances Schjonberg, April 20, 2011

[Episcopal News Service] An Ohio judge has ruled that five congregations in which the majority of members and clergy left the Episcopal Church and then sought to retain church property are not entitled to keep that property.
The case began in March 2008 when the Episcopal Church and the Diocese of Ohio filed suit seeking a ruling on the efforts to transfer property to other Anglican Communion dioceses in South America and Africa.

Cuyahoga County Court of Common Pleas Judge Deena Calabrese said in the ruling April 15 that the "Dennis Canon" (Canon 1.7.4)(passed by the General Convention in 1979 to state that a parish holds its property in trust for the diocese and the Episcopal Church) applied in the case.

The judge said that two of the congregations had not challenged the Dennis Canon for more than 20 years after its enactment. The other three, Calabrese said, applied to the diocese for admission as parishes after its enactment and pledged at the time to be bound by the canon.

The five congregations are the Parish of the Church of the Transfiguration, Cleveland; St. Barnabas' Protestant Episcopal Church, Bay Village; the Episcopal Church of the Holy Spirit, Akron; St. Anne's in the Fields Episcopal Church, Madison; and St. Luke's Episcopal Church, Akron.

"In litigation of this sort nobody wins," Ohio Bishop Mark Hollingsworth said in a statement
after the ruling.

"Of the many costs, the distractions from daily attention to the ministry of Christ may be the greatest," he said. "I am very grateful that the people of the diocese have resisted that distraction and kept focused on the worthy work that God gives us to do."
Sonnyboy Lethalstein

Gainesville, VA

#9 Apr 21, 2011
I don't think anyone really has a dog in this fight unless you are Episcopal or Anglican. If you're not, why do you care?

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#10 Apr 22, 2011
Sonnyboy Lethalstein wrote:
I don't think anyone really has a dog in this fight unless you are Episcopal or Anglican. If you're not, why do you care?
I am an Episcopalian as is RevKen and MiddleWay and Selecia Jones.

Joe DeCaro is a member of the Church of Rome and an editor in this Forum that is extremely anti-Episcopalian.

Thing Again is LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod).

Wot is an free spirit and an independent heathen book worshiper.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#11 Apr 22, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
<quoted text>
I am an Episcopalian as is RevKen and MiddleWay and Selecia Jones.
Joe DeCaro is a member of the Church of Rome ... Thing Again is LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod).
Wot is an free spirit ...
And, unlike you, Topix is non-sectarian.

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#12 Apr 22, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
And, unlike you, Topix is non-sectarian.
Being a sectarian Episcopalian in an Episcopal Church Forum is no vice.

Ephesians 6: 16-18

16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.

17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lordís people.

and

1 Thessalonians 5: 7-9

7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night.

8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.

9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Think Again

Holly Springs, NC

#13 Apr 22, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
<quoted text>
I am an Episcopalian as is RevKen and MiddleWay and Selecia Jones.
Joe DeCaro is a member of the Church of Rome and an editor in this Forum that is extremely anti-Episcopalian.
Thing Again is LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod).
Wot is an free spirit and an independent heathen book worshiper.
I prefer to refer to myself as a Christian. I do attend an LCMS church.
Think Again

Holly Springs, NC

#14 Apr 22, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
And, unlike you, Topix is non-sectarian.
She is a non-Christian as well.

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#15 Apr 22, 2011
Think Again wrote:
<quoted text>
I prefer to refer to myself as a Christian. I do attend an LCMS church.
Christians do not worship objects or grant objects godlike powers.

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp...

Belief & Practice

Scripture alone

The Bible is God's inerrant and infallible Word, in which He reveals His Law and His Gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. It is the sole rule and norm for Christian doctrine.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ine...

inerrant: free from error

But which language and which version of the text when the contridict one another?

He spoke several languages.

He left no written text in any language.

The oldest texts we have are in Greek and therefore can't be literally the words He used.

What a pickle!
Jesus

Fairfax, VA

#16 Apr 22, 2011
Children,

What the hell are you arguing about? Listen to yourselves. I'm reading this thread from up above and feel like I need a drink. I never intended for there to be 100 different offshoots of how you should worship me. What this whole "affiliation" thing anyway? Lawsuits over who owns land that big buildings sit on? What the heck is going on down there? Just believe and carry on with your lives in our own way and be happy. Seriously. Argue about how silly the Jew or Muslims are Pete's sake. Be careful with the Muslims though, they can be a bit touchy.
Think Again

Holly Springs, NC

#17 Apr 22, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians do not worship objects or grant objects godlike powers.
You grant yourself Godlike powers to decide what is and isn't sin, what is or isn't true in Scripture. You worship the creation rather than the creator. In short, you worship yourself.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#18 Apr 22, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
<quoted text>
Being a sectarian Episcopalian in an Episcopal Church Forum is no vice ...
... and it doesn't grant you "special rights" on Topix, either.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#19 Apr 23, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
... and it doesn't grant you "special rights" on Topix, either.
It doesn't need to.

The fact that she offers her comments at all is a grace to you.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#20 Apr 23, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
... and it doesn't grant you "special rights" on Topix, either.
It doesn't have to.

The fact that she offers her comments at all is a grace to you.

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