What happens if a kid is expelled from school?

Liberal Gal wrote:

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ACLU? Liberal government...the conservative agenda has dominated American politics since Reagan took office. "No Child Left Behind" was a Bush plan.
The lack of discipline has more to do with parents and cultural influences than the schools.
Blame the liberals?
I am very liberal and so is my husband. My kids were all stellar students with scholarships. I have a son that was an Eagle Scout. I have a daughter that was recognized by the National Honor Society many times and she is now a award winning teacher. My eldest is in medicine and has saved more lives that you have likely created. How was I able to do that with all of these liberal ideas? My kids are all liberals and their kids are all doing great in school. How could that happen? Shouldn't all that liberalism poisoned their minds?
You need to rethink your views.

I'm happy for you. Just stop pushing your liberal crap on everybody else. Hope your kids are as modest as you also.

kidteacher wrote:

In the elementary school I teach (Hazelwood)we have had students hit and kick teachers. We have had students expelled from other districts register at our school, and begin classes WITHOUT ANY PAPERWORK FROM THEIR PRIOR DISTRICT(S). Please don't tell me to 1) tell our principal, 2) contact the Ad Building, or 3) report this to the NEA. We have done all of the above and nothing happens. It will take PARENTS not teachers to fix this problem and other problems in Hazelwood.

My kids are in Ferguson Florissant and I also work in the district. As far as a parent taking care of the situation, how? Do I go to the principal, school board, what? I am also pretty sure that I am not actually supposed to know this information and I do not want to get the teacher in trouble for telling me this. My kids teachers have told me quite a bit that I'm not sure I am actually supposed to know. I would love nothing more but to go to a school board meeting and enlighten parents about alot of things, but then I also work for the district so I have to think about my paycheck. That is the same paycheck that will be paying for private school next year. There is just no other way to do it. But I would love to know who to take the issues to, and if it is okay to say I know these things.

MOM wrote:

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From what I hear there are all kinds of kids at HSD being left behind.
Would you believe that the kids are allowed to retake tests as many times as it takes to pass it? The summer school numbers are outrageous. Thats just at West, I can only imagine what its like at the other two.

I now a teacher at Central and she recently informed me of the policy that you can't fail a kid. I don't understand how that even helps them except that graduation numbers would be higher. It's all just sickning.

HSD teacher wrote:

Check out the safe schools violations. If a child is expelled for a safe schools violation then he cannot register at another public school.
Schools need to contact a sending school immediately upon a parent trying to register a child and see if there has been a discipline problem with the kid.
Hazelwood does not have an alternative school for expelled students. They do have a program for students suspended for 90 to 180 days. The program is at the ACE center by the halls ferry inn.

I'm in Ferguson Florissant and we do have an alternative school but apparently enough kids aren't sent there. I am not for sure that the student was expelled after hitting a teacher, although I would hope so. Either way it is in his file. I want to complain etc. but I am not sure if I would be getting the teacher in trouble for telling me this, or if the principle or whoever I speak to would be able to discuss the issue because I shouldn't know what is in his file. If you have any insight into how I should precede I would love to hear it!

liberal gal- seriously, you need a reality check!! chill out! what you are saying has NOTHING to do with the expulsion of students. save it. while you are bragging about your children's amazing achievements there are people dying all over the world! in the big scope of things, your like an ant swimming in an ocean. it is unbelievable what the world has come to, everything has to be political. the right has to hate the left the left has to hate the right. everyone has to be pointing fingers at someone else. now im not saying we should all just "merrily prance around holding hands loving everyone" but there shouldn't be such hatred. if we can't stand together as a nation, we're just going to fall apart or seem weak towards our enemies.
anyway, i don't know what schooling is like in hazelwood as i live in webster groves but schools really should be checking out where kids are coming from before they transfer.

MOM wrote:

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From what I hear there are all kinds of kids at HSD being left behind.
Would you believe that the kids are allowed to retake tests as many times as it takes to pass it? The summer school numbers are outrageous. Thats just at West, I can only imagine what its like at the other two.

Im not trying to gloat on this fact but I have NO IDEA why they let me graduate from hazelwood. I was one of those kids who hated school everything about it was in summer school every year credits not met but yet they kept advancing me lol i started to think maybe my dad was paying them to let me pass like in the adam sandler movie

What happens when a kid is expelled? They get their asses whipped. Just like if they bring home a bad report card or they get suspended. THey know whats coming. pull your pants down and bend over my knee.

belts still work wrote:

What happens when a kid is expelled? They get their asses whipped. Just like if they bring home a bad report card or they get suspended. THey know whats coming. pull your pants down and bend over my knee.

You must be from the old school. Don't you know that psychologists say that striking a kid is not the way to discipline. Give them a time out which is what the schools due for serious offenses. THE PROBLEM LIES WITH THE PARENTS NOT BEING PARENTS. Kids skip school and parents do nothing, kids curse teachers and parents do nothing, but suspend a kid or expel him and the parents are the most loving parents in the world who cannot understand what is wrong with the school. PROBLEM IS AT HOME AND UNTIL LAZYA__ PARENTS ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY ALL OF US HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THE AFTERMATH.

If Ferguson-Florissant has a place, why doesn't Hazelwood? Or is this another attempt to keep information from the public so we do not know how bad it is unless we have kids in school. Are the ACE centers full? Even if they were not there would still be no place for those kids who are expelled for other than a gun situation.

I cannot fathom why CW and the board do not want an alternative setting for those students who are in serious need of help academically and with anger control issues. Wouldn't it be as cost effective to bring all of the ACE students back to an alternative site run by Hazelwood? Kids would earn themselves into the alternative school and earn themselves back into their home school.

Wish that MB would explain the reason why he and the other board members are reluctant to do what is needed instead of trying to hide data because it would make HSD look back. My God, almost everyone thinks that the schools are terrible now.

concerned mom wrote:

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My kids are in Ferguson Florissant and I also work in the district. As far as a parent taking care of the situation, how? Do I go to the principal, school board, what? I am also pretty sure that I am not actually supposed to know this information and I do not want to get the teacher in trouble for telling me this. My kids teachers have told me quite a bit that I'm not sure I am actually supposed to know. I would love nothing more but to go to a school board meeting and enlighten parents about alot of things, but then I also work for the district so I have to think about my paycheck. That is the same paycheck that will be paying for private school next year. There is just no other way to do it. But I would love to know who to take the issues to, and if it is okay to say I know these things.

Concerned mom, I don't blame you for putting your kids in private school. I worked in numerous FF schools for many years. There is no way I would ever send my kids there. Granted, there are many some good schools. But once you get to the middle and high schools, it's all downhill from there. I wish I could tell you who you could talk to. I had the same problem when I worked there. Note the past tense. I couldn't do it anymore. Parents would be amazed and appalled at what actually goes on in our schools. The discipline problems, drugs, gangs, disrespect,assaults, and lies and deceit from administration is unbelievable. But no one wants to admit to the problems and do something about it. It's all about making it look good. Even though the people that work there know how bad things really are. It's about the numbers and the money. Just like the Alternative Program is always full. That's because of the number of kids being suspended. So you think, "ok, kids are being suspended." But once it is full, what happens to the students that should be placed there on long-term suspension. The district is more likely to allow them back in their home school. If they are not in school, then the district can't claim them and report numbers on them. But to me, they are more likely to cause more problems. For one, they learned nothing from their past consequences. Probably because they didn't receive the appropriate ones. So they go back to school and cause more problems and interrupt the education and learning of students that actually want to be there. Teachers spend more time dealing with discipline problems than addressing the instructional needs of students.
I could go on and on. Unfortunately, I don't think things are going to change. Admin doesn't want to acknowledge the problems. And without that, nothing is going to change.
But thanking you for trying and wanting to stand up for this.

HSD Parent wrote:

If Ferguson-Florissant has a place, why doesn't Hazelwood? Or is this another attempt to keep information from the public so we do not know how bad it is unless we have kids in school. Are the ACE centers full? Even if they were not there would still be no place for those kids who are expelled for other than a gun situation.
I cannot fathom why CW and the board do not want an alternative setting for those students who are in serious need of help academically and with anger control issues. Wouldn't it be as cost effective to bring all of the ACE students back to an alternative site run by Hazelwood? Kids would earn themselves into the alternative school and earn themselves back into their home school.
Wish that MB would explain the reason why he and the other board members are reluctant to do what is needed instead of trying to hide data because it would make HSD look back. My God, almost everyone thinks that the schools are terrible now.

Hazelwood does have places for these kids, and there is room. But I think the parents have to pay for it (as it should be) And what do you think they are hiding? Go to the website for dept of secondary education and all of the statistics from all the districts are published. I wish more parents WOULD go to district school board meetings and speak up! But most don't even bother to vote....much less get involved with the school PTA...or even with thier own kids. They think it is the schools job to educate (babysit) thier kids that THEY brought into the world.

I SO AGREE with you Ace! If you wonder why summer school number are high, it's FREE SUMMER BABYSITTING!!!!!

It's a shame the parent involvement these days. And what's even more sad is that the school/districts are now catering to these parents, changing their policies as if the schools are the parents because parents have no time to raise their children????

schools are babysitters wrote:

I SO AGREE with you Ace! If you wonder why summer school number are high, it's FREE SUMMER BABYSITTING!!!!!
It's a shame the parent involvement these days. And what's even more sad is that the school/districts are now catering to these parents, changing their policies as if the schools are the parents because parents have no time to raise their children????

That may be true on the grade school level but not on the high school level. In order to go to summer school in high school you have to have failed a class or more. They are completely full in hazelwood.

Belts still work,#27,“what happens when a student is expelled”, according to federal and state mandates, unless it is your child, you do not have the RIGHT to know. Today's students have more rights than adults realize and until you find yourself / YOUR child (personally) in a awkward position, parents never know. Although your child at school quickly learn from communicating with other students what their rights are.

Old-time teacher,#28, The absolute problem, DOES start at home with parents. Today's parents are overbooked, overworked, lacking in experience an education, self involved, lacking in family moral fiber, personally disrespectful, self righteous, and just plain lazy.
The root of parent problem is FEAR. They are AFRAID to talk, take time, try to
understand, get involved, teach home responsibility an respect and just plain be a parent.

HSD Parent,#29, review response 31. HSD administration can not and is not hiding anything. See DESI state report. Alternative schools historically have been known as placement for children who disobey rules, not for academically challenged. As to explain why MB /some- are reluctant to have their own alternative setting, it is because of the cost.“Alternative setting”, meaning those who cannot obey rules. ACE is the financially feasible way. ACE offers credit recovery and tutoring for children in need, the individual parent must pay for this inexpensive service, but parents choose to expect the government “our tax dollars” to pay. Are you willing to raise your property tax rate for the service? I didn't think so!

Don't blame you,# 30, you painted a very bleak and disturbing picture of FF. I suspect you are a long-term teacher with many past years of experience. Also a teacher who chooses not to change with today's mandates and standards. Odds are the district is delighted that you are past tense.

Schools are babysitters,#31, Hazlewood for the last few years has been encouraging and growing its summer school program deliberately. Many private schools, and other public schools also send their children to HSD summer school. Course nobody wishes to speak about that. Everyone assumes that all summer school kids come from Hazlewood. Regardless if you think it is babysitting, summer school provides a six-week opportunity for these kids to not be on the streets unsupervised during the day. The focus should be year-round school for all children.

Involved wrote:

Belts still work,#27,“what happens when a student is expelled”, according to federal and state mandates, unless it is your child, you do not have the RIGHT to know. Today's students have more rights than adults realize and until you find yourself / YOUR child (personally) in a awkward position, parents never know. Although your child at school quickly learn from communicating with other students what their rights are.
Old-time teacher,#28, The absolute problem, DOES start at home with parents. Today's parents are overbooked, overworked, lacking in experience an education, self involved, lacking in family moral fiber, personally disrespectful, self righteous, and just plain lazy.
The root of parent problem is FEAR. They are AFRAID to talk, take time, try to
understand, get involved, teach home responsibility an respect and just plain be a parent.
HSD Parent,#29, review response 31. HSD administration can not and is not hiding anything. See DESI state report. Alternative schools historically have been known as placement for children who disobey rules, not for academically challenged. As to explain why MB /some- are reluctant to have their own alternative setting, it is because of the cost.“Alternative setting”, meaning those who cannot obey rules. ACE is the financially feasible way. ACE offers credit recovery and tutoring for children in need, the individual parent must pay for this inexpensive service, but parents choose to expect the government “our tax dollars” to pay. Are you willing to raise your property tax rate for the service? I didn't think so!
Don't blame you,# 30, you painted a very bleak and disturbing picture of FF. I suspect you are a long-term teacher with many past years of experience. Also a teacher who chooses not to change with today's mandates and standards. Odds are the district is delighted that you are past tense.
Schools are babysitters,#31, Hazlewood for the last few years has been encouraging and growing its summer school program deliberately. Many private schools, and other public schools also send their children to HSD summer school. Course nobody wishes to speak about that. Everyone assumes that all summer school kids come from Hazlewood. Regardless if you think it is babysitting, summer school provides a six-week opportunity for these kids to not be on the streets unsupervised during the day. The focus should be year-round school for all children.

Wrong. I wouldn't call five years many years of experience. And at twenty-nine years old, I was one of the younger teachers that tried to add new and young things to the curriculum and morale of the district.

Whats the big deal here? We sorely need drop outs.If not for them,who would pickup and clean all the port a potties,clean out all the septic tanks in rural counties,pick up the road kill on the highways,clean up the puke from the rest room at I-Hop,change the crappy diaper on some 95 year old at St Sophias? Do you get where I'm going with this. I guess someone has to do it,but does it have to be your kid? When my kids were growing I insisted they work in their teen years,and the more lousy the job,the better I liked it.They did the grunt work at Arbys,KFC,Murphys stew and brew,Bonanza,and where ever else they could make a buck. When they used to come home,smelling from the stinking job,they had to remove their clothes at the foyer and head for the shower,and I never missed the oportunity to let them know this was their future if they didn't get a good education.I guess it worked, as all five have their degrees,and are doing quite well.Maybe parents need to step up and be a parent instead of a good buddy. Maybe try using the word "NO" once in awhile,oh but wait,we wouldn't want to hurt their little feelings now would we? If there are sorry ass kids out there today,it's only because society spent the last thirty or so years of trying to be politically correct instead of parenting.Later

GAD wrote:

Whats the big deal here? We sorely need drop outs.If not for them,who would pickup and clean all the port a potties,clean out all the septic tanks in rural counties,pick up the road kill on the highways,clean up the puke from the rest room at I-Hop,change the crappy diaper on some 95 year old at St Sophias? Do you get where I'm going with this. I guess someone has to do it,but does it have to be your kid? When my kids were growing I insisted they work in their teen years,and the more lousy the job,the better I liked it.They did the grunt work at Arbys,KFC,Murphys stew and brew,Bonanza,and where ever else they could make a buck. When they used to come home,smelling from the stinking job,they had to remove their clothes at the foyer and head for the shower,and I never missed the oportunity to let them know this was their future if they didn't get a good education.I guess it worked, as all five have their degrees,and are doing quite well.Maybe parents need to step up and be a parent instead of a good buddy. Maybe try using the word "NO" once in awhile,oh but wait,we wouldn't want to hurt their little feelings now would we? If there are sorry ass kids out there today,it's only because society spent the last thirty or so years of trying to be politically correct instead of parenting.Later

You should run for the School Board.

What happened to "Reform School"

What's wrong with drop outs being forced into Military Training?

Why not a Non Military Social/Community Corps that will deal with non or anti social behavior?

Old Fashioned Tough Love..........it used to work.

GAD wrote:

Whats the big deal here? We sorely need drop outs.If not for them,who would pickup and clean all the port a potties,clean out all the septic tanks in rural counties,pick up the road kill on the highways,clean up the puke from the rest room at I-Hop,change the crappy diaper on some 95 year old at St Sophias?

You don't understand. Unless school's have every student scoring a 35 on the ACT, they have failed children. All the jobs that will be created will have nothing to do with janitorial work or manual labor. The only reason people have those types of jobs are due to there being injustice in the educational system. Teachers really encouraged students to skip school and not study for exams. It's a horrible world we live in that people receive such a poor education that they would be relegated to cleaning or doing manual labor. That's for the illegals.

sammysam wrote:

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You don't understand. Unless school's have every student scoring a 35 on the ACT, they have failed children. All the jobs that will be created will have nothing to do with janitorial work or manual labor. The only reason people have those types of jobs are due to there being injustice in the educational system. Teachers really encouraged students to skip school and not study for exams. It's a horrible world we live in that people receive such a poor education that they would be relegated to cleaning or doing manual labor. That's for the illegals.

I'd love to see how many kids from HSD scored a 35 on their ACT! Maybe ONE. Maybe 10 got in the 30s, the rest are more like 20 or 21.

Ask any summer school student in HSD how many enrichment classes they are taking.