Obama orders 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, pledges to begi...

Stamos wrote:

<quoted text>I would have responded to the General's request immediately and have given him the troops and tools needed to accomplish his objectives.
You Liberals have never seen a war you didn't want to lose. Most of you Leftist detest the military and what it represents! Our current CIC not only is a leftist... he's beyond left! Your utopian dreams of Kumbaya, and give peace a chance are in reality, just that... dreams! This man and those of you who support him have not the first clue of what you are doing! Everything is about a political agenda and how to move it forward. Appeasement and disregard for evil when it stares you in the face will be your downfall and disastrous! Obama couldn't lead a troop of Boy Scouts!!!

It's great you decided to answer with at least one reasonable sentence before the usual tirade of pure drivel.
"I would have responded to the General's request immediately and have given him the troops and tools needed to accomplish his objectives."

A rather shallow attempt as it is at answering, it's the best you could do, I understasnd. See post 10 for the answer that was already there.
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/sentinel-an...

I also posted the Generals confidence in what he got!
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/sentinel-an...

So you got nothin' huh? How about you consider some facts instead of your usual dung? Do some reasding for at least a clear understanding of the facts.

http://washingtonindependent.com/69305/petrae...

"Dear rest of the media,

I truly do not understand why you find this concept so confusing. Even before the speech, I was able to sum it up in a few sentences.

In the most dramatic departure from the March approach, however, July 2011 will begin a new phase in the Afghanistan war: A date when the U.S. will “begin to transfer our lead responsibility” for “combat operations to our Afghan counterparts.” This is “not an open-ended commitment,” a senior official said. But the officials did not explicitly state that major U.S. troop withdrawals will occur by that time. The pace of the security transfer, as well as the date at which it is completed, will be determined by events on the ground, a senior official said. July 2011, in other words, marks “the beginning of a process which is not yet defined in terms of the length of the process or the endpoint.”

That was about four hours before the speech. You can find modified versions of that description here and here. This is not such a difficult concept to understand.

Before you get on my ass: I am not asking you to defend the strategy or to embrace it. I am asking you to describe the fucking thing clearly for your readers. You know, what we get paid to do?"

Beverly Gunn wrote:

A military mother's take on the president's speech.
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Thank you and your family for your service, you seem to have geniune concern. However, I think your concerns are mis-placed and for partisan reasons as well.
If your concern is simply Photo-Op based, you would have to begin with GWB since he gave the same speach basically to the same people back in 2002. President Obama made it clear (We find ourselves purposefully locked in a no-win situation by a Commander who seems not to understand either the sacrifice the military makes or the goals in winning a war) why he felt the need to speak directly to them and it was in respect. Just what does "purposefully locked in a no-win situation" mean? Like, you think the President of the United States wants to purposely set up the military to fail? This is outrageous if you're serious!
We can debate missions (Instead we hear mewing about end games and final timetables, all which are received as signs that encourage our enemies) and strategies but this statement involves the very concern your mentioning, there needs to be clear strategy in order to protect the very troops you're concerned for, there asre 68K there now, what about them?. As for how the enemy perceives it, that's reaching as well.
Thos Cadets serve this country by choice, regardless of a Democratic President or a Repub;lican president so, with all do respect, you don't seem to balance

CAIR and like minded Islamic groups have a long planned, well funded program of exploiting America's open and free society to further their agenda of Islamizing the country. These scurrilous accusations, lawsuits against anyone that says something CAIR does not like, and constantly playing the victim card are all part of their stealth jihad.

While dangerous, this is the easiest stage in terms of real conflict. Right now they are using legal means, the idiotic media, and America's mush-headed multiculturalism as their primary means of spreading Islam. Once the number of Muslims in America reaches maybe 10% of the population there will be an increase in open violence, especially in cities that house large Muslim populations. They will increasingly demand more "rights" for the communities, such as allowing sharia courts to be set up.

If the Muslim population should reach 15-20% of the total population you will have what we have here in Israel: numerous terrorist attacks against non-Muslims, intimidation of non-Muslims--especially in communities that have developed a Muslim majority--and an increase in Islamic culture, i.e., honor killings, the subjugation of women, etc.

As inner city neighborhoods slowly turn into Muslim ghettos the non-Muslims that remain living in those communities will exit en-mass and will leave what amounts to mini-Muslim States behind them.

The Balkanization of America will be well on its well by then.

If anyone thinks I'm crazy I invite them to look at Europe, where a dozen countries are currently in one stage of this scenario or another. Google "Malmo riots" and you will see what I mean.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/AB/2009120...

Islam is not a way of life that is complex or difficult. Rather it is the human being who practices Islam who often makes it difficult-and then, complexity overtakes him so that eventually he is unable to cope with even the simplest of tasks. That it is possible for every person to understand and practice Islam is assured by the following three principles:
Firstly, the basic beliefs contain no mystery and are therefore easy to comprehend. Every tenet in Islam is subject to analysis and inquiry. Moreover, Islam does not present stumbling blocks to the mind. Islam does not present concepts or ideas which the intellect cannot grasp. Even the simplest of minds can understand its basic beliefs. It is therefore not surprising that its beliefs are universal.
Secondly, the most important and stringent obligations ordained upon Muslims are easy to undertake. That is, the duties and obligations laid down by Allah have been graded. And, it is the wisdom of Allah that the greater the importance He has attached to any act, the easier it is for everyone to accomplish it. Thus, for example, the five daily Salat (Prayers) and Sawm (fasting) during the month of Ramadan are compulsory upon everyone, since they are within every-one 5 reach to accomplish. Zakat (almsgiving) and Hajj (pilgrimage), on the other hand, though fundamental pillars of Islam, are not compulsory upon everyone. If it were made compulsory upon everyone, then those who did not possess the financial means would be unable to carry out these duties. In such cases, it would not have been possible for everyone to practice Islam in all its facets. Therefore, these duties are obligatory only upon those who have the means to do so.
Thirdly, there are provisions for derogation when it is genuinely not possible for someone to fulfill an obligation. For instance, if a person is genuinely unable to stand up and pray, then he is permitted to sit down or even lie down and pray. Similarly, if there is no water available to perform the wudu or ablution before prayer, then one can make tayammum, which is a simple dry ablution performed by using clean earth or dust. Therefore, even when there appear to be difficulties, if one looks closely at the Shari'ah or Islamic legal code as a whole, one will find so many rules relating to derogation that enable one to practice Islam very easily-and this is the case regardless of the problem: political, economic or simply personal. Indeed, throughout the Quran various provisions have been made to ease things for travelers, for the sick, for pregnant or nursing women, for the old and for the poor, for on no soul does Allah place a burden greater than it can bear

Stamos wrote:

Islam is not a way of life that is complex or difficult. Rather it is the human being who practices Islam who often makes it difficult-and then, complexity overtakes him so that eventually he is unable to cope with even the simplest of tasks. That it is possible for every person to understand and practice Islam is assured by the following three principles:
Firstly, the basic beliefs contain no mystery and are therefore easy to comprehend. Every tenet in Islam is subject to analysis and inquiry. Moreover, Islam does not present stumbling blocks to the mind. Islam does not present concepts or ideas which the intellect cannot grasp. Even the simplest of minds can understand its basic beliefs. It is therefore not surprising that its beliefs are universal.
Secondly, the most important and stringent obligations ordained upon Muslims are easy to undertake. That is, the duties and obligations laid down by Allah have been graded. And, it is the wisdom of Allah that the greater the importance He has attached to any act, the easier it is for everyone to accomplish it. Thus, for example, the five daily Salat (Prayers) and Sawm (fasting) during the month of Ramadan are compulsory upon everyone, since they are within every-one 5 reach to accomplish. Zakat (almsgiving) and Hajj (pilgrimage), on the other hand, though fundamental pillars of Islam, are not compulsory upon everyone. If it were made compulsory upon everyone, then those who did not possess the financial means would be unable to carry out these duties. In such cases, it would not have been possible for everyone to practice Islam in all its facets. Therefore, these duties are obligatory only upon those who have the means to do so.
Thirdly, there are provisions for derogation when it is genuinely not possible for someone to fulfill an obligation. For instance, if a person is genuinely unable to stand up and pray, then he is permitted to sit down or even lie down and pray. Similarly, if there is no water available to perform the wudu or ablution before prayer, then one can make tayammum, which is a simple dry ablution performed by using clean earth or dust. Therefore, even when there appear to be difficulties, if one looks closely at the Shari'ah or Islamic legal code as a whole, one will find so many rules relating to derogation that enable one to practice Islam very easily-and this is the case regardless of the problem: political, economic or simply personal. Indeed, throughout the Quran various provisions have been made to ease things for travelers, for the sick, for pregnant or nursing women, for the old and for the poor, for on no soul does Allah place a burden greater than it can bear

Well, thats all very nice,but, why do these turds still want to kill everyone?

with the whole war machine much worse than hitlerite one against groups of poor, malnutried people who try to protect their country from invasion. It is strategy of war criminals from usa. Bilions of dolars and hundred tousend of troops to pacificate Afghanistan and then what if you pacificate it by murdering of next tousends of people, make new mega debts and making from those amoral military idiots who take direct participation in this crime against humanity total amoral scum? Will it bring a joy and prosperoty to zour country?

blow em off the map wrote:

It's great to see or Nobel Peace winner can't make a decision. If Bush were to do this people would be all over him. I hate to watch an American president fail so miserably, but to all you liberals.....I TOLD YOU SO.....Lunch bomb the #$%@ out of Afganistan I don't know about you people but i would rather see a million innocent (there aren't that many) then one US soldier.....

it is very suprising and dishonest that bush and hitler and pol pot did not get nobel peace prize and obama got. It is really very, very big dishonest. What is a difference bewteen obama, bush, pol pot, hitler, karadjic. Why do some war criminals get nobel peace prize and other not? It is now time for catholic church to call obama saint so called santo subito- african, pseudochristian, war criminal having tousends of people and two or three wars on his conscience by passiv and active support.

geezer wrote:

<quoted text>Well, thats all very nice,but, why do these turds still want to kill everyone?

good point I'm really not sure let me explain,.. you see ,...I know it sounds like I'm flip flopping on the issues here,.... please allow me to explain,....you see,.I Think I am an intelligent person. I have moments where I am completely rational, when I make so much sense that the school professors want to publish my work. At other times, I'm completely lost, hallucinating up a storm. I think that's where people get confused. They can't understand how someone as bright as I am can so quickly dissolve into a pile of senseless jibber-jabber. Hell, I don't even know how I do it.

I can't go 24 hours without a couple of major psychotic episodes. I am all alone, with no one to help me reality check. I have an individual therapist, but I am not his only patient, and I don't like to bother him with my crazy questions and irrational fears. So, I sit at home in my Mother’s refurbished basement Inlaw apartment and suffer alone along side my 12 year old computer with windows “95”. I can't sleep because of the nightmares. Sometimes I forget to eat, because I forget that I have to actually put the food in my mouth in order to get the benefits of satiation. I know. Unbelievable. I can understand braided time-space, but I can't seem to understand that I have to eat in order to gain nutrition. I don't get it. I swear I don't get it.

geezer wrote:
<quoted text>Well, thats all very nice,but, why do these turds still want to kill everyone?
Don't mind my muslim troll!
I don’t usually reply to trolls directly, since when ignored they generally go away. But sometimes a point or two needs to be addressed.

The Bush administration failed to deal with immigration problem—failed miserably out of fear of losing the Hispanic vote and giving the Democrats another edge, which they had locked up anyway. It is like trying to buy the black vote—you can’t outspend or out-lie the Democrats. If you do, you are they. One of the results of this was that conservatives felt and were betrayed…not to mention the issue of the abandonment of the rule of law and all the related terrible consequences of this. Then, to add insult to injury, President Bush would not pardon the two Border Patrol agents who were put in jail for protecting our border. Failure.

Furthermore, the Bush administration failed to stand tall and take the difficult steps of confronting out-of-control spending. They also played right along with the liberals who arm-twisted everyone to let people take out mortgages that were well beyond the borrower’s means to repay. Borrowers thought ARM (Adjustable Rate Mortgage) meant “Appropriately Redistributed Money” or “All Republicans are Mean”, and they threw all caution to the wind. I remember well the New Orleans radio broadcast where the host told a listener to go down and get some of that “free government money”. This was while I was headed to the post office to mail in a $5,000 check for my quarterly estimated taxes…and at the time I did not feel I could afford a house so I was living in a cheap apartment. Free? Coulda fooled me. The Bush administration did nothing to stop this madness, and worse, they began to play along. Failure.

There were other failures, but this points out the difference between (present-day) liberals and (real) conservatives in general. A true conservative will hold those who represent him accountable, and when there are failures the conservative will admit this. However, I sure haven’t heard many voices of dissent from liberals as Obama has humiliated our country, undermined our very foundation, and set us upon a collision course with reality. With this current administrations, when the chicken come home to roost…or perhaps I should say roast, people may finally begin to bite off those fingers that keep pointing only at Bush.

Ahh, but two failed wars? Now we hear the voice of a fool who is oblivious to what 9-11 brought upon us and how an aggressive response purchased for us a victory over terror. Here we owe President Bush much, and I salute him with great respect for how he stood tall on this issue. I don’t have to explain this to those who understand, and attempting to explain this to someone with his fingers stuck in his ears is rather unproductive. Mistakes? Sure, some. It’s called reality. But we prevailed in Iraq. That effort will remain a victory until this current administration so thoroughly unravels what we have accomplished and so emboldens Islamic terrorists that the dark cloud again falls over that area. There is no doubt in my mind that this is what they want. A failed war? Not hardly. We failed only in the eyes of those who would have us defeated.

As for Afghanistan, Obama was more than willing to shoulder this one as the “worthy war”. Then, he dithers while the blood of our precious soldiers is shed, and instead shifts the momentum to appeasing Muslims. If this second theatre results in failure, it will have Obama’s fingerprints all over it. If it turns toward victory as a result of wise and courageous decisions made by Obama—or at least by his agreeing with the military commanders on how to proceed—then I will give him credit where credit is due. For some reason, my confidence is a little low on this issue.

I’m off the boards for the rest of today, so I can’t reply if anyone has related comments.

President Obama is on the right track , he is a man of great knowledge and character
time will tell of his greatness you shall see,..... know it sounds like I'm flip flopping on the issues here,.... please allow me to explain,....you see,.I Think I am an intelligent person. I have moments where I am completely rational, when I make so much sense that the school professors want to publish my work. At other times, I'm completely lost, hallucinating up a storm. I think that's where people get confused. They can't understand how someone as bright as I am can so quickly dissolve into a pile of senseless jibber-jabber. Hell, I don't even know how I do it.

I can't go 24 hours without a couple of major psychotic episodes. I am all alone, with no one to help me reality check. I have an individual therapist, but I am not his only patient, and I don't like to bother him with my crazy questions and irrational fears. So, I sit at home in my Mother’s refurbished basement Inlaw apartment and suffer alone along side my 12 year old computer with windows “95”. I can't sleep because of the nightmares. Sometimes I forget to eat, because I forget that I have to actually put the food in my mouth in order to get the benefits of satiation. I know. Unbelievable. I can understand braided time-space, but I can't seem to understand that I have to eat in order to gain nutrition. I don't get it. I swear I don't get it.

Stamos wrote:

President Obama is on the right track , he is a man of great knowledge and character
time will tell of his greatness you shall see,..... know it sounds like I'm flip flopping on the issues here,.... please allow me to explain,....you see,.I Think I am an intelligent person. I have moments where I am completely rational, when I make so much sense that the school professors want to publish my work. At other times, I'm completely lost, hallucinating up a storm. I think that's where people get confused. They can't understand how someone as bright as I am can so quickly dissolve into a pile of senseless jibber-jabber. Hell, I don't even know how I do it.
I can't go 24 hours without a couple of major psychotic episodes. I am all alone, with no one to help me reality check. I have an individual therapist, but I am not his only patient, and I don't like to bother him with my crazy questions and irrational fears. So, I sit at home in my Mother’s refurbished basement Inlaw apartment and suffer alone along side my 12 year old computer with windows “95”. I can't sleep because of the nightmares. Sometimes I forget to eat, because I forget that I have to actually put the food in my mouth in order to get the benefits of satiation. I know. Unbelievable. I can understand braided time-space, but I can't seem to understand that I have to eat in order to gain nutrition. I don't get it. I swear I don't get it.

http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/ Mohammed_childmolester.jpg

Stamos:"As for Afghanistan, Obama was more than willing to shoulder this one as the “worthy war”. Then, he dithers while the blood of our precious soldiers is shed, and instead shifts the momentum to appeasing Muslims."

Yeah, because Bush and Cheney never lost sight of the ware in Afghanistan, the Taliban or Al Quaeda and we ever steadfast in their pursuit of terror.
Just stop it. Your President actually asks questions, considers options for the complete war effort including an end plan FINALLY as it was never done before and to you he "dithers". Sorry, I don't want my President to follow blindly with the neocon zeal you call for.
It's funny, your don't ask, don't think, follow blindly through ignorance is real close to the fundamentalist islamic recruiting approach.
And to your earlier half witted indications that somehow ARMs were only taken out by non-republican's is down right laughable. I am sure there are no right wing nut bags like your self in Orange County, CA and wealthy FL that bit it on the real estate collapse.
Its too bad the when you do occassionally get it right, it gets lost in your knee jerk nonsense and all credibility is lost.

incredible wrote:

Stamos:"As for Afghanistan, Obama was more than willing to shoulder this one as the “worthy war”. Then, he dithers while the blood of our precious soldiers is shed, and instead shifts the momentum to appeasing Muslims."
Yeah, because Bush and Cheney never lost sight of the ware in Afghanistan, the Taliban or Al Quaeda and we ever steadfast in their pursuit of terror.
Just stop it. Your President actually asks questions, considers options for the complete war effort including an end plan FINALLY as it was never done before and to you he "dithers". Sorry, I don't want my President to follow blindly with the neocon zeal you call for.
It's funny, your don't ask, don't think, follow blindly through ignorance is real close to the fundamentalist islamic recruiting approach.
And to your earlier half witted indications that somehow ARMs were only taken out by non-republican's is down right laughable. I am sure there are no right wing nut bags like your self in Orange County, CA and wealthy FL that bit it on the real estate collapse.
Its too bad the when you do occassionally get it right, it gets lost in your knee jerk nonsense and all credibility is lost.

Obama's list of transgressions grows longer and more blatant with each and every passing day. Is it just me or did anyone else find it incomprehensible that a U.S. President would undercut his hand-picked commanding general (who possesses infinite more knowledge and experience in the prosecution of a war) by micro-managing his troop request reduction while simultaneously notifying the enemy with detailed information regarding the terms of deployment and the projected phasing of a U.S. withdrawal? No wonder it took three months to formulate his dithering strategy. He must have had to practice that West Point speech a hundred times or more just to pull it off with a straight face.

incredible wrote:

Stamos:"As for Afghanistan, Obama was more than willing to shoulder this one as the “worthy war”. Then, he dithers while the blood of our precious soldiers is shed, and instead shifts the momentum to appeasing Muslims."
Yeah, because Bush and Cheney never lost sight of the ware in Afghanistan, the Taliban or Al Quaeda and we ever steadfast in their pursuit of terror.
Just stop it. Your President actually asks questions, considers options for the complete war effort including an end plan FINALLY as it was never done before and to you he "dithers". Sorry, I don't want my President to follow blindly with the neocon zeal you call for.
It's funny, your don't ask, don't think, follow blindly through ignorance is real close to the fundamentalist islamic recruiting approach.
And to your earlier half witted indications that somehow ARMs were only taken out by non-republican's is down right laughable. I am sure there are no right wing nut bags like your self in Orange County, CA and wealthy FL that bit it on the real estate collapse.
Its too bad the when you do occassionally get it right, it gets lost in your knee jerk nonsense and all credibility is lost.

Oh, and by the way---- He's a freekin LIAR!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

"You can take that to the bank"

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Withdrawing is the best thing to do.

America would be there for the next one hundred years, bankrupt and tired.

Richard wrote:

Withdrawing is the best thing to do.
America would be there for the next one hundred years, bankrupt and tired.

It's time to surrender in Afghanistan. Yep, that's right. Surrender.

Let's sign a document of surrender, apologize for our "aggression," withdraw the troops, and let Osama and the Taliban have a ticker-tape parade in the streets of Kabul before they force women back into their burkas, outlaw education for girls, and start executing homosexuals and Christians again.

Obama stated that he's "not comfortable" using the term "victory" in Afghanistan. How can he possibly ask troops to risk life and limb in that country after saying that? His three-month indecision with regard to his own General's request for 40,000 more troops further betrays the fact that he's simply not committed or capable of victory.

There's no sense putting our troops in harm's way if he can't even protect them in Texas or even admit who are real enemy is.

Obama: "America and Islam are not exclusive...and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of ....the dignity of all human beings."

In the case of Islam, this could only be true if WOMEN, JEWS and CHRISTIANS are NOT human beings.

Stamos wrote:

<quoted text>Obama's list of transgressions grows longer and more blatant IN MY MIND with each and every passing day. I know it is just me, did anyone else find it incomprehensible, there were SO MANY WORDS? No wonder it took me three hours to understand it and formulate an opposition. He must have had to practice that West Point speech a hundred times or I would have to anyway just to pull it off with a straight face.

That's why we voted for him and not you.

Stamos wrote:

<quoted text>It's time to surrender in Afghanistan. Yep, that's right. Surrender.
Let's sign a document of surrender, apologize for our "aggression," withdraw the troops, and let Osama and the Taliban have a ticker-tape parade in the streets of Kabul before they force women back into their burkas, outlaw education for girls, and start executing homosexuals and Christians again.
Obama stated that he's "not comfortable" using the term "victory" in Afghanistan. How can he possibly ask troops to risk life and limb in that country after saying that? His three-month indecision with regard to his own General's request for 40,000 more troops further betrays the fact that he's simply not committed or capable of victory.
There's no sense putting our troops in harm's way if he can't even protect them in Texas or even admit who are real enemy is.
Obama: "America and Islam are not exclusive...and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of ....the dignity of all human beings."
In the case of Islam, this could only be true if WOMEN, JEWS and CHRISTIANS are NOT human beings.

We talked about this already, why do you forget your lessons just because a weekend goes by?
There were no requests for troops that would provide before 2010 and the General agrees that he has what is needed with the new plan.
Have you ever negotiated anything, do you go in high or low first pass?

I am a contentious person....and a Liberal , I am Stamos short for Sensible, Tame And Mostly On Sence
Contentious? Possibly.
Liberal? Absolutely.
Seems these days Conservatives have convinced themselves, and some of the American public, that being a Liberal is akin to being a card-carrying member of the Communist Party. While this may be a great smear tactic for an election year, to believe such a notion proves that the believer is uneducated in the fundamentals of the American political system. Our nation was founded on Liberalism. Embodied in the Declaration of Independence are its three tenets: "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." The very term, itself, is taken from the same root as the second of these precepts. To be a Liberal is to defend the freedom - the Liberty - of all people who make up our great nation. To be a Liberal is to trust individuals and families to run their own lives as they see fit. To be a Liberal is to create a nation where anyone can excel if they are willing to do the work.
In order to understand the true nature of Liberalism, and to dispel the misconceptions fomented by those whose agenda is counter to our freedom, I will detail the tenets of Liberal thought and dispel the misconceptions so often put forth by Conservative rhetoric.
Liberalism is "Life." It is freedom from physical dangers that can kill or disable us. The Liberal believes it is a nation's job to protect its citizens from physical harm, whether from external sources, such as hostile nations, or internal ones, like crime, disease, or hunger. Without the solid ground of physical wellbeing, our nation and its citizens cannot enjoy the benefits of being free. Liberals believe in a strong military, well suited to defend the nation. Liberals believe in good laws, hard-working police, and a just legal system to protect its citizens from crime. Liberals believe in affordable health care for everyone, to keep our people strong. And Liberals believe in the availability of food and shelter for its needy, not as a hand out but as a reasonable step in moving all Americans toward self-reliance and the freedom that comes with it.
Liberalism is "Liberty." It is the freedom to do as your conscience dictates without impeding another's rights. Fleeing oppression in mother Europe, our founders established a nation where personal belief and self-determination are protected, not persecuted, where hard work is rewarded, not demanded, and where each person is bestowed with the ability to better his or her life because of citizenship, not class. Liberals believe in freedom of speech to protect us from political oppression. Liberals believe in sound regulations to protect us from economic oppression. Liberals believe in just laws to protect us from social oppression. And Liberals believe in quality education to protect us from the oppression of ignorance.
Liberalism is "The Pursuit of Happiness." It is the freedom to create an environment where the individual can excel. What is freedom if it cannot be used to better our lives?

Stamos wrote:

I am a contentious person....and a Liberal , I am Stamos short for Sensible, Tame And Mostly On Sence
Contentious? Possibly.
Liberal? Absolutely.
Seems these days Conservatives have convinced themselves, and some of the American public, that being a Liberal is akin to being a card-carrying member of the Communist Party. While this may be a great smear tactic for an election year, to believe such a notion proves that the believer is uneducated in the fundamentals of the American political system. Our nation was founded on Liberalism. Embodied in the Declaration of Independence are its three tenets: "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." The very term, itself, is taken from the same root as the second of these precepts. To be a Liberal is to defend the freedom - the Liberty - of all people who make up our great nation. To be a Liberal is to trust individuals and families to run their own lives as they see fit. To be a Liberal is to create a nation where anyone can excel if they are willing to do the work.
In order to understand the true nature of Liberalism, and to dispel the misconceptions fomented by those whose agenda is counter to our freedom, I will detail the tenets of Liberal thought and dispel the misconceptions so often put forth by Conservative rhetoric.
Liberalism is "Life." It is freedom from physical dangers that can kill or disable us. The Liberal believes it is a nation's job to protect its citizens from physical harm, whether from external sources, such as hostile nations, or internal ones, like crime, disease, or hunger. Without the solid ground of physical wellbeing, our nation and its citizens cannot enjoy the benefits of being free. Liberals believe in a strong military, well suited to defend the nation. Liberals believe in good laws, hard-working police, and a just legal system to protect its citizens from crime. Liberals believe in affordable health care for everyone, to keep our people strong. And Liberals believe in the availability of food and shelter for its needy, not as a hand out but as a reasonable step in moving all Americans toward self-reliance and the freedom that comes with it.
Liberalism is "Liberty." It is the freedom to do as your conscience dictates without impeding another's rights. Fleeing oppression in mother Europe, our founders established a nation where personal belief and self-determination are protected, not persecuted, where hard work is rewarded, not demanded, and where each person is bestowed with the ability to better his or her life because of citizenship, not class. Liberals believe in freedom of speech to protect us from political oppression. Liberals believe in sound regulations to protect us from economic oppression. Liberals believe in just laws to protect us from social oppression. And Liberals believe in quality education to protect us from the oppression of ignorance.
Liberalism is "The Pursuit of Happiness." It is the freedom to create an environment where the individual can excel. What is freedom if it cannot be used to better our lives?

Like I said. A Troll chasing the real Stamos around the boards... To funny!
http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/Mohammed_childm...