Why National Healthcare is WORNG for America

Health insurance companies
ain't like organized crime. They are organized crime. And they appreciate all your efforts to help them keep ripping you off.

The public option would help get the insurance companies in line. If national insurance is so wrong then why do we have Medicare and Medicaid.

Pay no attention to Harpo or whatever name he uses, he is on Tencare!!!

Medicare is a national insurance universal care program. Every single American will be on it after age 65.

truth wrote:

Medicare is a national insurance universal care program. Every single American will be on it after age 65.

Let's leave it at that!!

why is it wrong? The misspellings in your posts and horrible grammar tell the tale. It's not wrong, only stupid people think so.

racist wrote:

why is it wrong? The misspellings in your posts and horrible grammar tell the tale. It's not wrong, only stupid people think so.

When insurance companies (that you're comfortable with) don't make enough dough in your state, they split! Then, you're on your own.

Joe wrote:

<quoted text>When insurance companies (that you're comfortable with) don't make enough dough in your state, they split! Then, you're on your own.

Not good for middle class. People are
being stolen from.

Large majority of Americans seeing thru the 'death panel','socialized medicine', FOX Noise chatter to see that this is a necessary part of health care reform as the only civilized Western nation without one.-

" On the issue that has been a flash point in the national debate, 57 percent of all Americans now favor a public insurance option, while 40 percent are opposed. Support has risen since mid-August, when a bare majority, 52 percent, said they favored it.(In a June Post-ABC poll, support had been at 62 percent.)

If run by the states and available only to those who lack affordable private options, support for a public plan jumps to 76 percent. Under those circumstances, even a majority of Republicans, 56 percent, would be supportive, about double their level of support without such a limitation.

Fifty-six percent of all Americans favor a provision mandating all Americans to buy insurance, either through their employers or on their own or through eligibility for Medicare or Medicaid. That number rises to 71 percent should the government provide subsidies for many lower-income Americans to help them purchase insurance. With those qualifiers, a majority of Republicans say they backed the mandate.

Faced with a basic strategic choice that soon may confront the administration and Democratic congressional leaders, a slim majority of Americans, 51 percent, would prefer a reform plan that included some form of government insurance for people who cannot get affordable private coverage even if it had no GOP support in Congress. Thirty-seven percent would rather have a bipartisan plan without such a choice. Republicans and Democrats are on opposite sides of this question, with independents preferring legislation with a public option and without Republican support by 52 to 35 percent. "

I have googled Medicare. I am confused. Part A,B,C,D. What kind of program is that. Why can't all people have the same government coverage instead of this alphabetic nightmare. I got the 20% from someone on this db. Apparently if you get seriously sick on medicare the co payment can send you into bankruptcy. What's up with that. Didn't seniors work their whole lives to build a country and give themselves a decent lifestyle in their dotage. What happens to them when they are broke, everything gone, bankrupt and reliant on charity. I would argue that those people cannot afford to have politicians sitting on their hands and delaying. What if it happens to you or yours. Think it can't. So did they.

In response to Post 10
There is no question that medical treatment costs are through the roof. Likely part of the reason for that is that we do have insurance companies who help pay for advanced treatment that consumers could not even in the past consider without the assistance of insurance companies.

So where would most people be without having health insurance as there would be no demand for advanced health care as few could possibly afford it on their own?

And I am one who never thought that it was the job of the federal government to take care of us when we got old. We should have saved our money for old age. But that would have hurt retails sales if we had not spent it. So our standard of living would have been a lot less throughout our lives.

But as I was forced to pay in money for social security since I first started work, I have no problem now with accepting social security payments. But the government really had no obligation to provide healthcare for seniors although our congresspersons decided that the government should do so.

So the lives of many have been extended just because the government is providing healthcare for the aged. You can see that by the mortality tables of the 1950's versus today. Back in the 50's many died because they could not pay for healthcare treatment. But today many can live longer because of that availability.

As for Medicare coverage, I am certainly no expert. Part A is provided to all on Medicare. Part B and the others have to be paid for by the consumer as they provide more coverage for health treatment and prescription drugs by reducing the costs which would have to be paid by the consumer.

It is the fallacy of a middle class that has caused a lot of problems. There is no middle class. As has been discussed here many times 1% of the population has more wealth than the other 99% combined. That makes two classes. Haves and have nots. The idea of a middle class gave some hope to those making some economic progress by working hard. Not enough progress to get into the 1% which is limited to the very few but enough to separate them from the very poor. When hard work by one member of the family no longer afforded that lifestyle then both adult members went to work. When that failed to do the trick the only way to get into that group was to borrow your way in. So the "middle class" became over worked and over leveraged all to buy products that their over work had manufactured. The benefit of which continued to go to the 1%. Now the "middle class" is bankrupt and out of work. They see all of their efforts of generations going down the drain and don't know what to do except to fight to keep whatever little they have left. In the mean while the 1% keeps chugging along without interruption encouraging the 99% to fight among themselves so no one notices them. And as usual the 99% is playing true to form denying themselves the fruits of the richest country on earth all the while protecting the 1% instead of themselves. Just like fiddles.

In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2007, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 34.6% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19%(the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 50.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 85%, leaving only 15% of the wealth for the bottom 80%(wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one's home), the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 42.7%. Table 1 and Figure 1 present further details drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at New York University (2009).

Table 1: Distribution of net worth and financial wealth in the United States, 1983-2007
Total Net Worth
Top 1 percent Next 19 percent Bottom 80 percent
1983 33.8% 47.5% 18.7%
1989 37.4% 46.2% 16.5%
1992 37.2% 46.6% 16.2%
1995 38.5% 45.4% 16.1%
1998 38.1% 45.3% 16.6%
2001 33.4% 51.0% 15.6%
2004 34.3% 50.3% 15.3%
2007 34.6% 50.5% 15.0%

Financial Wealth
Top 1 percent Next 19 percent Bottom 80 percent
1983 42.9% 48.4% 8.7%
1989 46.9% 46.5% 6.6%
1992 45.6% 46.7% 7.7%
1995 47.2% 45.9% 7.0%
1998 47.3% 43.6% 9.1%
2001 39.7% 51.5% 8.7%
2004 42.2% 50.3% 7.5%
2007 42.7% 50.3% 7.0%

Total assets are defined as the sum of:(1) the gross value of owner-occupied housing; (2) other real estate owned by the household; (3) cash and demand deposits; (4) time and savings deposits, certificates of deposit, and money market accounts; (5) government bonds, corporate bonds, foreign bonds, and other financial securities; (6) the cash surrender value of life insurance plans; (7) the cash surrender value of pension plans, including IRAs, Keogh, and 401(k) plans; (8) corporate stock and mutual funds; (9) net equity in unincorporated businesses; and (10) equity in trust funds.

Total liabilities are the sum of:(1) mortgage debt; (2) consumer debt, including auto loans; and (3) other debt. From Wolff (2004, 2007, & 2009).

Thanks Ben, you are just full of health care info this morning.

Don't add to government healthcare before you fix Mediare/Medicaid/VA systems. We don't want more of the same!

Today, of all days, we should be ever mindful of the needs surrounding our Vets who return to the beloved United States' soils following yr plus long deployments out of country. Some return whole, while some unfortunatly do not. It is our obligation as a Nation to care for these men and women because they chose to serve in our United States Armed forces.

My father, a WWII vet, carried his scars and memories of that era with him through the rest of his life to his grave, as do Korean vets, Viet Nam vets and so will these fine men and women who are presently serving in this most recent battle we've taken on as a Nation. Their physical and emotional scars will remain with them all their lives, too. All who've served our United States in small to large off shore battles deserve our highest respect and support because they gave of themselves to protect each one of us as a single body..One Nation Under God.

My heart goes out to the 13 familes who lost loved ones at Ft. Hood and those injured that awful, terrible day. As one National broadcaster said, its one thing to lose a limb or a life in battle on foreign soil, but for that to happen on home land ground is unthinkable.

We MUST treat our Service personnel with the utmost respect not only when in the field training, on foreign soils when in battle, but also when in garrison. Without these fine men and women, where would our Nation be?

Darcy Fast wrote:

Don't add to government healthcare before you fix Mediare/Medicaid/VA systems. We don't want more of the same!

I agree.

People with no insurance need some help. What is wrong with you?

True!

Something the Obamaites are not telling you is that the Health care Bill in its present from will tansfer mega buck resp;onsibilty to Ten Care. You are familiar with Ten Care aren't you; the way prescrition drugs get sold on the street corners. This is what the bill will do to Tennessee and its taxpayers.
"Tennessee would be forced to expand the state’s Medicaid program potentially costing the citizens of the state $1.4 billion dollars in additional state taxpayer funds annually."