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#890 Jun 2, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
Why is it the conservative fundies who claim they want less government, who are issuing bans against gay marriage?...
There are no bans on gay marriage; you can have your religion perform whatever marriage rite they like. There is no law against telling your friends and acquaintances to treat your partner and you as married. The only thing, we have a political dispute about government recognition of gender segregation as marriage.

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Cheyenne277 wrote:
Why aren't they trying to ban remarriage when the divorce was due only to irreconcilable differences??? Why aren't they trying to ban no fault divorce? Could someone from their side please explain how that isn't hypocrisy?
Divorce performs an important function in marriage; it keeps the consensual nature of the relationships. Most same sex marriage supporters like Che don't understand marriage, they want to change marriage standards. Read the quote above; if we let them take the gender diversity of husband/wife marriage today, they'll come after the consent standard tomorrow.

And you thought it couldn't get any worse...

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#891 Jun 2, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
... fundies ... Jesus ...Matthew 19:...1 Corinthians ... Could someone from their side please explain how that isn't hypocrisy?
I'm not using religion for my arguments, Cheyenne277 is quoting scripture. I can't explain his hypocrisy, or even profess any understanding of his faith.

Personally, I think divorce is a good thing, without divorce some marriages would be indistinguishable from slavery.

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#892 Jun 2, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
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Why is it the conservative fundies who claim they want less government, who are issuing bans against gay marriage? And why aren't they concerned with topics that Jesus actually spoke about, like divorce and remarriage?
Matthew 19:(Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for $e xual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
Why aren't they trying to ban remarriage when the divorce was due only to irreconcilable differences??? Why aren't they trying to ban no fault divorce? Could someone from their side please explain how that isn't hypocrisy?
In large part I think homophobia has other roots and that religion is used as an excuse, not a reason.

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#893 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>There are no bans on gay marriage; you can have your religion perform whatever marriage rite they like. There is no law against telling your friends and acquaintances to treat your partner and you as married. The only thing, we have a political dispute about government recognition of gender segregation as marriage.
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Wrong. If a Pastor or Reverend in my state performs a same sex marriage they can be arrested and will have the power given to them by the state to engage anyone in matrimony, retracted.

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#894 Jun 2, 2012
And the first guy I fell in love with was from Cheyenne.

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#895 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not using religion for my arguments, Cheyenne277 is quoting scripture. I can't explain his hypocrisy, or even profess any understanding of his faith.
Personally, I think divorce is a good thing, without divorce some marriages would be indistinguishable from slavery.
I agree.

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#896 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>There are no bans on gay marriage; you can have your religion perform whatever marriage rite they like. There is no law against telling your friends and acquaintances to treat your partner and you as married. The only thing, we have a political dispute about government recognition of gender segregation as marriage.
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<quoted text>Divorce performs an important function in marriage; it keeps the consensual nature of the relationships. Most same sex marriage supporters like Che don't understand marriage, they want to change marriage standards. Read the quote above; if we let them take the gender diversity of husband/wife marriage today, they'll come after the consent standard tomorrow.
And you thought it couldn't get any worse...
You ignore the diversity of relationships themselves with your ridiculous argument. You're a bigot hiding behind the shelter of supposed diversity. That's an oddity to be sure.

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#901 Jun 2, 2012
LARRY MOE and OBAMA wrote:
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No such thing as homophobia, most of the world just does NOT like gays!!!!
Wrong.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108115/americans-e...

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#902 Jun 2, 2012
LARRY MOE and OBAMA wrote:
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Was he a broke back bimbo from the leather district?
No. He was a nice guy I met at college.

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#903 Jun 2, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
Wrong. If a Pastor or Reverend in my state performs a same sex marriage they can be arrested and will have the power given to them by the state to engage anyone in matrimony, retracted.
Only if he issues a marriage license in a role of officer of the court/ As a Pastor, he can marry whoever he likes and issue any certificate of marriage that satisfies his faith. The government can't regulate church rites.

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#904 Jun 2, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
You ignore the diversity of relationships themselves with your ridiculous argument. You're a bigot hiding behind the shelter of supposed diversity. That's an oddity to be sure.
Do you want the unisex, heavily regulated world of the left? Gender diversity is the key to marriage, it gives a harmony and utility unknown in gender segregation marriage. There's no law stopping any relationship you like, but you can't change the definition of marriage for everyone.

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#905 Jun 2, 2012
LARRY MOE and OBAMA wrote:
<quoted text>
No such thing as homophobia, most of the world just does NOT like gays!!!!
Agreed...

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#906 Jun 2, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
I agree.
Then, why does Che quote scripture to ban divorce?

Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

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#907 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Only if he issues a marriage license in a role of officer of the court/ As a Pastor, he can marry whoever he likes and issue any certificate of marriage that satisfies his faith. The government can't regulate church rites.
Wrong. They do in my state. Oklahoma.

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#908 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Only if he issues a marriage license in a role of officer of the court/ As a Pastor, he can marry whoever he likes and issue any certificate of marriage that satisfies his faith. The government can't regulate church rites.
And for that matter, why shouldn't he be able to use his role as officer of the court, just like any other Pastor??? That's equal rights? That's diversity?

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#909 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Do you want the unisex, heavily regulated world of the left? Gender diversity is the key to marriage, it gives a harmony and utility unknown in gender segregation marriage. There's no law stopping any relationship you like, but you can't change the definition of marriage for everyone.
Wrong, idiot. We all know what you'd say to a friend that had never heard of civil unions and asked what it meant. You'd reply "Oh it's when gays get M A R R I E D". DUH.

Marriage means two people making a commitment to spend their lives together. End of story. There's no need to invent a new word for it. We already have one. "Marriage". You just want your special rights.

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#910 Jun 2, 2012
Oklahoma has no law against same sex marriage ceremonies performed by any religious institution, there are no criminal penalties like those against bigamy. There is no ban, we just want to keep the way government recognizes marriage now.

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#911 Jun 2, 2012
During his Senate race, Romney wrote a letter to the Massachusetts branch of the Log Cabin Republicans, which read in part, "I am more convinced than ever before that as we seek to establish full equality for America's gay and lesbian citizens."

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#912 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Oklahoma has no law against same sex marriage ceremonies performed by any religious institution, there are no criminal penalties like those against bigamy. There is no ban, we just want to keep the way government recognizes marriage now.
Why ? That's discrimination based on religion which is forbidden by teh First Amendment. You dont support the First Amendment ?!

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#913 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Oklahoma has no law against same sex marriage ceremonies performed by any religious institution, there are no criminal penalties like those against bigamy. There is no ban, we just want to keep the way government recognizes marriage now.
WRONG.

Oklahoma law states:“A marriage between persons of the same gender performed in another state shall not be recognized as valid and binding in this state as of the date of the marriage.”

The Oklahoma Constitution states:“Marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman. Neither this constitution nor any other provision of law shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups. A marriage between persons of the same gender performed in another state shall not be recognized as valid and binding in this state as of the date of the marriage. Any person knowingly issuing a marriage license in violation of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.”

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