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#887 Jun 2, 2012
YELLODOG wrote:
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Let me read you a portion of a news brief i got today
Yesterday afternoon the Giles County School board voted to unanimously accepted the Modification of the American Law and Government display which is the TEN COMMANDMENTS along with a page from the 'Roots of Democracy' and under the Ten Commandments and page from the roots of Democracy it says,
"The values found in the bible including the Ten Commandments
and the teachings of Jesus inspired American ideas about
Government and morality."
This was implimented in the Narrows High School's foundations.
Which is irrelevant to our discussion of whether religious beliefs can be used as justification for discrimination against citizens under either the federal or state constitutions.

Regardless, all you've done is demonstrate once again your total inability to read and comprehend the information you cite. The display to which you refer is NOT the 10 commandments along with a page from another document. The display of the 10 commandments was REPLACED by a page from a American history text book used in Virginia public schools discussing the roots of democracy, of which the text book asserts the 10 commandments is one such document.

And lest you be inclined to argue and lie about this further, here is an excerpt from the Liberty Counsel news release proving your statement above incorrect:

"The new document replaces the Ten Commandments with a page from a Prentice-Hall textbook on American history, which is used in Virginia public schools. The page depicts the “Roots of Democracy” and begins with the Ten Commandments stone tablets."

Link: http://www.lc.org/index.cfm...

Please learn to read so you stop embarrassing yourself.
YELLODOG wrote:
never said religion is the law.
i said faith in God is what America was founded upon in values
Which isn't demonstrated by our foundational legal document, the constitution.
YELLODOG wrote:
and that the leaders (past & present) who have had or do have strong faith in God will lead on those principles and values.
I don't disagree with this but it's also why a number of laws and decisions are legally challenged for violating the constitutional requirement for separation of church and state, including when religious beliefs and values are cited for trying to justify government discrimination against it own citizens.

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#888 Jun 2, 2012
karlVII wrote:
Why are you morons attempting to make this a issue based on religion?
For some people, religion is the number one reason to keep marriage between husband and wife; on my list it's number 26. Everyone has their own opinion and may use their religious values as they choose.

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karlVII wrote:
Civil Unions/Same Sex Marriage is NOT a religious issue it is a civil issue.
A political issue, whether government should get the new power to recognize gender segregation marriage. I'm against it, I'm a marriage moderate who likes the laws around marriage as is, between a man and a woman.

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karlVII wrote:
Marriage or civil unions are a legal contract between to people NO RELIGION REQUIRED!
From use of punctuation and capitalization, I'll bet Karl in no friend of religion.

But there's no law stopping anyone from having a religious marriage rite without government interference. The issue is new intrusive government regulation of marriage, new spending on entitlements for same sex dependent beneficiaries and more taxes to pay for it all. This is an issue of big government harming the family institution to shift power to a mascot victim group.

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karlVII wrote:
The only threat to ANY Marriage/Civil Union is Divorce/Separation
Divorce isn't a threat to marriage, it is the continuation of the consensual nature of marriage. Without divorce, some marriages would be no different from slavery. Many gender segregation marriage supporters like Karl don't understand marriage; they have no business changing the way marriage works for everyone.

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karlVII wrote:
Keep your rhetoric and judgmental ideologies in the confessional HYPOCRITICAL phantom zealots.
Note Karl's method of argument; ad hominem. I argue against same sex marriage because it spoils the perfect harmony of gender diverse marriage.

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#889 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>For some people, religion is the number one reason to keep marriage between husband and wife; on my list it's number 26. Everyone has their own opinion and may use their religious values as they choose.
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<quoted text>A political issue, whether government should get the new power to recognize gender segregation marriage. I'm against it, I'm a marriage moderate who likes the laws around marriage as is, between a man and a woman.
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<quoted text>From use of punctuation and capitalization, I'll bet Karl in no friend of religion.
But there's no law stopping anyone from having a religious marriage rite without government interference. The issue is new intrusive government regulation of marriage, new spending on entitlements for same sex dependent beneficiaries and more taxes to pay for it all. This is an issue of big government harming the family institution to shift power to a mascot victim group.
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<quoted text>Divorce isn't a threat to marriage, it is the continuation of the consensual nature of marriage. Without divorce, some marriages would be no different from slavery. Many gender segregation marriage supporters like Karl don't understand marriage; they have no business changing the way marriage works for everyone.
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<quoted text>Note Karl's method of argument; ad hominem. I argue against same sex marriage because it spoils the perfect harmony of gender diverse marriage.
Why is it the conservative fundies who claim they want less government, who are issuing bans against gay marriage? And why aren't they concerned with topics that Jesus actually spoke about, like divorce and remarriage?

Matthew 19:(Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for $e xual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

Why aren't they trying to ban remarriage when the divorce was due only to irreconcilable differences??? Why aren't they trying to ban no fault divorce? Could someone from their side please explain how that isn't hypocrisy?

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#890 Jun 2, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
Why is it the conservative fundies who claim they want less government, who are issuing bans against gay marriage?...
There are no bans on gay marriage; you can have your religion perform whatever marriage rite they like. There is no law against telling your friends and acquaintances to treat your partner and you as married. The only thing, we have a political dispute about government recognition of gender segregation as marriage.

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Cheyenne277 wrote:
Why aren't they trying to ban remarriage when the divorce was due only to irreconcilable differences??? Why aren't they trying to ban no fault divorce? Could someone from their side please explain how that isn't hypocrisy?
Divorce performs an important function in marriage; it keeps the consensual nature of the relationships. Most same sex marriage supporters like Che don't understand marriage, they want to change marriage standards. Read the quote above; if we let them take the gender diversity of husband/wife marriage today, they'll come after the consent standard tomorrow.

And you thought it couldn't get any worse...

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#891 Jun 2, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
... fundies ... Jesus ...Matthew 19:...1 Corinthians ... Could someone from their side please explain how that isn't hypocrisy?
I'm not using religion for my arguments, Cheyenne277 is quoting scripture. I can't explain his hypocrisy, or even profess any understanding of his faith.

Personally, I think divorce is a good thing, without divorce some marriages would be indistinguishable from slavery.

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#892 Jun 2, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
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Why is it the conservative fundies who claim they want less government, who are issuing bans against gay marriage? And why aren't they concerned with topics that Jesus actually spoke about, like divorce and remarriage?
Matthew 19:(Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for $e xual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
Why aren't they trying to ban remarriage when the divorce was due only to irreconcilable differences??? Why aren't they trying to ban no fault divorce? Could someone from their side please explain how that isn't hypocrisy?
In large part I think homophobia has other roots and that religion is used as an excuse, not a reason.

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#893 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>There are no bans on gay marriage; you can have your religion perform whatever marriage rite they like. There is no law against telling your friends and acquaintances to treat your partner and you as married. The only thing, we have a political dispute about government recognition of gender segregation as marriage.
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Wrong. If a Pastor or Reverend in my state performs a same sex marriage they can be arrested and will have the power given to them by the state to engage anyone in matrimony, retracted.

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#894 Jun 2, 2012
And the first guy I fell in love with was from Cheyenne.

:)

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#895 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not using religion for my arguments, Cheyenne277 is quoting scripture. I can't explain his hypocrisy, or even profess any understanding of his faith.
Personally, I think divorce is a good thing, without divorce some marriages would be indistinguishable from slavery.
I agree.

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#896 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>There are no bans on gay marriage; you can have your religion perform whatever marriage rite they like. There is no law against telling your friends and acquaintances to treat your partner and you as married. The only thing, we have a political dispute about government recognition of gender segregation as marriage.
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<quoted text>Divorce performs an important function in marriage; it keeps the consensual nature of the relationships. Most same sex marriage supporters like Che don't understand marriage, they want to change marriage standards. Read the quote above; if we let them take the gender diversity of husband/wife marriage today, they'll come after the consent standard tomorrow.
And you thought it couldn't get any worse...
You ignore the diversity of relationships themselves with your ridiculous argument. You're a bigot hiding behind the shelter of supposed diversity. That's an oddity to be sure.

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#901 Jun 2, 2012
LARRY MOE and OBAMA wrote:
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No such thing as homophobia, most of the world just does NOT like gays!!!!
Wrong.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108115/americans-e...

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#902 Jun 2, 2012
LARRY MOE and OBAMA wrote:
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Was he a broke back bimbo from the leather district?
No. He was a nice guy I met at college.

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#903 Jun 2, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
Wrong. If a Pastor or Reverend in my state performs a same sex marriage they can be arrested and will have the power given to them by the state to engage anyone in matrimony, retracted.
Only if he issues a marriage license in a role of officer of the court/ As a Pastor, he can marry whoever he likes and issue any certificate of marriage that satisfies his faith. The government can't regulate church rites.

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#904 Jun 2, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
You ignore the diversity of relationships themselves with your ridiculous argument. You're a bigot hiding behind the shelter of supposed diversity. That's an oddity to be sure.
Do you want the unisex, heavily regulated world of the left? Gender diversity is the key to marriage, it gives a harmony and utility unknown in gender segregation marriage. There's no law stopping any relationship you like, but you can't change the definition of marriage for everyone.

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#905 Jun 2, 2012
LARRY MOE and OBAMA wrote:
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No such thing as homophobia, most of the world just does NOT like gays!!!!
Agreed...

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#906 Jun 2, 2012
Cheyenne277 wrote:
I agree.
Then, why does Che quote scripture to ban divorce?

Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

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#907 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Only if he issues a marriage license in a role of officer of the court/ As a Pastor, he can marry whoever he likes and issue any certificate of marriage that satisfies his faith. The government can't regulate church rites.
Wrong. They do in my state. Oklahoma.

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#908 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Only if he issues a marriage license in a role of officer of the court/ As a Pastor, he can marry whoever he likes and issue any certificate of marriage that satisfies his faith. The government can't regulate church rites.
And for that matter, why shouldn't he be able to use his role as officer of the court, just like any other Pastor??? That's equal rights? That's diversity?

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#909 Jun 2, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Do you want the unisex, heavily regulated world of the left? Gender diversity is the key to marriage, it gives a harmony and utility unknown in gender segregation marriage. There's no law stopping any relationship you like, but you can't change the definition of marriage for everyone.
Wrong, idiot. We all know what you'd say to a friend that had never heard of civil unions and asked what it meant. You'd reply "Oh it's when gays get M A R R I E D". DUH.

Marriage means two people making a commitment to spend their lives together. End of story. There's no need to invent a new word for it. We already have one. "Marriage". You just want your special rights.

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#910 Jun 2, 2012
Oklahoma has no law against same sex marriage ceremonies performed by any religious institution, there are no criminal penalties like those against bigamy. There is no ban, we just want to keep the way government recognizes marriage now.

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