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Reality

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Government Education is a failure.

From Chula Vista, to Bar Harbor.
From Seattle to Key West.

US public education is 27'th in the world.
Georgia is 47'th in the US.
Gilmer is 92'nd in Georgia.

Don't let educators blame their failure on the Guatemalan kids in our county.

Don't let your children become collateral damage in our school system.

The earliest that an improved system is possible, is AT LEAST 5 years off.
That's assuming that another caring parent would undertake a year's worth of paperwork.

By that time, it will be too late for your children.

You have 3 choices:

1) Homeschooling, time consuming.
2) Private schools, expensive.
3) Move away, to an enlightened school district.

Don't let the public education people who make an attractive living off the taxpayers, sway your moral duties as a parent.

Your kids have only ONE chance for a good education.

You OWE them their shot at a decent life.
College facts

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U.S. has the best universities in the world.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/14/unit...
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Don't you think you've made your point in the last couple of dozen discussions? You have valid points. You really do. But you're getting annoying now. Do something about it and stop bitching ALL THE TIME! Actually get from in front of your computer screen and DO SOMETHING. Geeezzzzzzzzz
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College facts wrote:
U.S. has the best universities in the world.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/14/unit...
Yes we do.
That is my point.

The Top US Universities are:

#1 Harvard
#2 Princeton
#3 Yale
#4 Columbia
#5 CIT
#6 MIT
#7 Stanford
#8 University of Chicago
#9 University of Pennsylvania
#10 Duke

EVERY ONE, is a PRIVATE school.

The Top PUBLIC university is UC Berkley, at #21,
Joene DePlancke

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smartcar wrote:
Don't you think you've made your point in the last couple of dozen discussions? You have valid points. You really do. But you're getting annoying now. Do something about it and stop bitching ALL THE TIME! Actually get from in front of your computer screen and DO SOMETHING. Geeezzzzzzzzz
I have tried and tried to cause some changes, to no avail. Only thing I have really accomplished is to cause the BOE to post the agenda and all the corresponding supporting documents on their website PRIOR to a meeting. At least now when they vote on Item 3, Tab B we have some idea what that is. Other than that, since we cannot speak or add input at any of the meetings, what do you propose that Reality or anyone for that matter, do. And how would you propose we do it?

I, for one, am all ears.
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Reality wrote:
Government Education is a failure.

From Chula Vista, to Bar Harbor.
From Seattle to Key West.

US public education is 27'th in the world.
Georgia is 47'th in the US.
Gilmer is 92'nd in Georgia.

Don't let educators blame their failure on the Guatemalan kids in our county.

Don't let your children become collateral damage in our school system.

The earliest that an improved system is possible, is AT LEAST 5 years off.
That's assuming that another caring parent would undertake a year's worth of paperwork.

By that time, it will be too late for your children.

You have 3 choices:

1) Homeschooling, time consuming.
2) Private schools, expensive.
3) Move away, to an enlightened school district.

Don't let the public education people who make an attractive living off the taxpayers, sway your moral duties as a parent.

Your kids have only ONE chance for a good education.

You OWE them their shot at a decent life.
I somewhat agree with this. As a product of the Gilmer county school system, I remember experiencing truly crappy educators, but there are many who know what they are talking about. I had a few classmates who, after they failed a test, they would have their parents come in and meet to the teacher so the parents could fuss the teacher out about the grades and why they are bad. It's not all the teachers, look at the parents too!
Reality

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college kid wrote:
I somewhat agree with this. As a product of the Gilmer county school system, I remember experiencing truly crappy educators, but there are many who know what they are talking about. I had a few classmates who, after they failed a test, they would have their parents come in and meet to the teacher so the parents could fuss the teacher out about the grades and why they are bad. It's not all the teachers, look at the parents too!
Good points.
We certainly have some good teachers.
And the failure is not just here.
Public education is suffering from systemic failure all across the country.

BUT, Gilmer's 2011 HS graduating scores were WORSE in every category over 2010.

For those WORSE results, the BOE rewarded the Superintendent with a 3 year no-cut contract extension.

And the BOE rewarded the teachers with an additional $50 a month subsidy of their health insurance!

Neither of those rewards were justified by performance.

So how can we complain when non-performing students want THEIR rewards by fussing for a higher test result?

The students and parents are learning by the bad example set by the BOE: Reward Failure.

I don't see that there's any interest in actually improving education for the kids.

Instead, they want to play at being big shots, wheeling and dealing losing real-estate ventures, and lighting up $50,000 cigars WHILE our 4,000 kids are getting a third rate education that is getting WORSE.
College facts

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Reality wrote:
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Good points.
We certainly have some good teachers.
And the failure is not just here.
Public education is suffering from systemic failure all across the country.
BUT, Gilmer's 2011 HS graduating scores were WORSE in every category over 2010.
For those WORSE results, the BOE rewarded the Superintendent with a 3 year no-cut contract extension.
And the BOE rewarded the teachers with an additional $50 a month subsidy of their health insurance!
Neither of those rewards were justified by performance.
So how can we complain when non-performing students want THEIR rewards by fussing for a higher test result?
The students and parents are learning by the bad example set by the BOE: Reward Failure.
I don't see that there's any interest in actually improving education for the kids.
Instead, they want to play at being big shots, wheeling and dealing losing real-estate ventures, and lighting up $50,000 cigars WHILE our 4,000 kids are getting a third rate education that is getting WORSE.
You have most of your facts straight, but there is one that is totally incorrect. The 50 dollars additional insurance subsidy if inaccurate. The BOE only pays $50 total a month toward each teachers insurance, compared to years before when they paid the entire amount for teachers with single coverage insurance, and matched that amount for teachers with family insurance. This has been another pay-cut for the teachers, and a way that the current BOE has cut the total budget.
Reality

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College facts wrote:
You have most of your facts straight, but there is one that is totally incorrect. The 50 dollars additional insurance subsidy if inaccurate.
I believe you'll discover that at a BOE meeting around Oct or Nov 2011, they approved an additional $50 a month health insurance benefit. The estimated total cost was $115,000 which was an UNBUDGETED expenditure.

The motion was made, seconded, and UNANIMOUSLY passed within 10 seconds.

The taxpayers who PAY for this, have to work for DAYS each month to pay for their own health insurance, IF they can even afford any.
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According to my paycheck Reality, they only pay $50.

Since: Jul 08

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According to my paycheck Reality, they only pay $50.
According to your paycheck, they are only deducting $50. The premium was increased by approximately $50 per certified employee and the BOE voted to absorb the entire increase and not pass it on to you. So Reality is correct. At that same meeting according to the FYN coverage they also acknowledged that the premium for 2012-13 is going to be increased something like $420,000 additional. Wonder where that is going to come from and who is negotiating our health benefits.
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Reality wrote:
Government Education is a failure.
From Chula Vista, to Bar Harbor.
From Seattle to Key West.
US public education is 27'th in the world.
Georgia is 47'th in the US.
Gilmer is 92'nd in Georgia.
Don't let educators blame their failure on the Guatemalan kids in our county.
Don't let your children become collateral damage in our school system.
The earliest that an improved system is possible, is AT LEAST 5 years off.
That's assuming that another caring parent would undertake a year's worth of paperwork.
By that time, it will be too late for your children.
You have 3 choices:
1) Homeschooling, time consuming.
2) Private schools, expensive.
3) Move away, to an enlightened school district.
Don't let the public education people who make an attractive living off the taxpayers, sway your moral duties as a parent.
Your kids have only ONE chance for a good education.
You OWE them their shot at a decent life.
Actually, Georgia is now ranked as 7th in the nation according to the updated 2012 standards according to Education Weekly. Google it. Plus, other countries educate only the elite, meaning wealthy or only the ones smart enough to pass a certain test once they reach a certain age. We educate everyone. That's why our country's literacy rate is 99% and our standard of living is exceptionally high. I know all of this because I do proper research before i post on a public forum and insult people unjustly. Your information is dated and not based on facts. Thanks and I'm going back to my desk to work on lesson plans for the upcoming school year here in Ellijay.
Reality

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Yoy wrote:
Actually, Georgia is now ranked as 7th in the nation according to the updated 2012 standards according to Education Weekly. Google it. Plus, other countries educate only the elite, meaning wealthy or only the ones smart enough to pass a certain test once they reach a certain age. We educate everyone. That's why our country's literacy rate is 99% and our standard of living is exceptionally high. I know all of this because I do proper research before i post on a public forum and insult people unjustly.
Thank you for your post.
I think it's important that students, parents, and taxpayers observe first hand, the relentless determination of educators to deceive the public on the pitiful state of public education.

Rather than relying on some some weekly trade mag for public school hacks, State rankings are based on SAT scores. Because I'm not an arrogant Gilmer teacher, rather than telling you to "google it", I will gladly provided the link.

http://voices.yahoo.com/state-education-ranki...

I will cut and paste the Georgia rankings:

"State Education Rankings: Georgia SAT Scores
Critical Reading SAT Score: 490 (Ranking 45)
Math SAT Score: 491 (Ranking 49)
Writing SAT Score: 479 (Ranking 44)
Total SAT Score: 1460 (Ranking 47)"

You will note that Georgia is ranked #47, EXACTLY as I stated.

With regard to your comments on literacy rates, you will note in the following link, that the US is rated #46 in literacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...

Nice try on sticking it on the backs of our kids again.
Yoy wrote:
Thanks and I'm going back to my desk to work on lesson plans for the upcoming school year here in Ellijay.
Might I suggest you spend some time at your desk contemplating your ethics and decency?

You're not just a government worker who's lousy at their job.

You have the futures of our kids in your hands.
Act like it.
Mack

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Rearality there you go again trying to make everybody agree with you and bashing people that don't. You're such an arrogant whole.
Reality

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Posting accurate information on Georgia's #47 ranking, and the US's #46 literacy ranking is not "bashing" anyone.

If teachers deceive the public on the deplorable state of our public education, others have the right and DUTY to tell the truth.
Facts

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Just because you don't agree with the information, or it doesn't meet your specs, does not make it invalid information. The Teacher did not deceive anyone when when he/she stated that Georgia was ranked 7th here is the link.

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2012/0...

I think your information, of only using SAT scores, is not a valid way to rank each state because every student does not take it. Of the students tested, it is a true repersentation, but who knows where Georgia would be if everyone was required to take it.
Reality

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Facts wrote:
Just because you don't agree with the information, or it doesn't meet your specs, does not make it invalid information. The Teacher did not deceive anyone when when he/she stated that Georgia was ranked 7th here is the link.

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2012/0...
Here's your problem:

Teachers are accustomed to using their authority to bully and cajole the children into believing whatever self-serving nonsense they wish. Amongst children, teachers do not need to be CREDIBLE. They just have to be "The Boss".(I went for years believing that Magellan was the first circumnavigator).

But out here in the real world, their position has to be PLAUSIBLE, and backed up by CREDIBLE evidence.

Your AJC link is a story about a self-serving ranking done by Education Week, a trade magazine for public school teachers. The 7'th place ranking story was endorsed by Kathy Cox, the Georgia BOE Superintendent who presided over the biggest education cheating and fraud scandal in US history. An INSECT could figure out how Georgia jumped 40 places in ranking in a bogus survey. Cheating on the scores by the teachers.

My link proving Georgia's 47'th place ranking, was an independent national survey.

Teachers have no concept of requiring CREDIBILIY in their arguments.

The issue of national, state and district rankings is settled beyond any doubt.
The US sucks.
Georgia sucks.
And Gilmer sucks.

If you were smarter, you'd see that the rankings now provide the bait to allow teachers to display their integrity.

Blaming it all on the little LEPers doesn't help.
Facts

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Here's your problem:
Teachers are accustomed to using their authority to bully and cajole the children into believing whatever self-serving nonsense they wish. Amongst children, teachers do not need to be CREDIBLE. They just have to be "The Boss".(I went for years believing that Magellan was the first circumnavigator).
But out here in the real world, their position has to be PLAUSIBLE, and backed up by CREDIBLE evidence.
Your AJC link is a story about a self-serving ranking done by Education Week, a trade magazine for public school teachers. The 7'th place ranking story was endorsed by Kathy Cox, the Georgia BOE Superintendent who presided over the biggest education cheating and fraud scandal in US history. An INSECT could figure out how Georgia jumped 40 places in ranking in a bogus survey. Cheating on the scores by the teachers.
My link proving Georgia's 47'th place ranking, was an independent national survey.
Teachers have no concept of requiring CREDIBILIY in their arguments.
The issue of national, state and district rankings is settled beyond any doubt.
The US sucks.
Georgia sucks.
And Gilmer sucks.
If you were smarter, you'd see that the rankings now provide the bait to allow teachers to display their integrity.
Blaming it all on the little LEPers doesn't help.
Yes it was endorsed by Kathy Cox, and every other state BOE person in the nation, but the fact is that it is still a national ranking that has Georgia 7th. It is not something that Georgia put together to somehow show them as 7th, it was national, so it is still a valid ranking, no bias for Georgia.
Oh and the Limited English thing is real. My adopted son is LEP, nothing is wrong with him, he is very smart but he just doesnt understand the nuisances of all of the English language. He does great in Math, except when he has word problems. He is 10 years old and I have had him for 4 years now. He could not speak any English when I adopted him, nor did he have a good foundation in his native language. I have worked with him, and even had tudors come and work with him. He speaks great English now and could carry on a great conversation with anyone, but there are still many things he just doesn't understand fully. He is 6 years behind his peers in his English language acquisition, and that is tough for anyone to overcome in just 4 years.
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(I went for years believing that Magellan was the first circumnavigator).
Who was it? That is what I was taught in my private school and in college.
Reality

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Yes it was endorsed by Kathy Cox, and every other state BOE person in the nation, but the fact is that it is still a national ranking that has Georgia 7th. It is not something that Georgia put together to somehow show them as 7th, it was national, so it is still a valid ranking, no bias for Georgia.
You neglected to mention that the bogus "study" was conducted by Education Week, a trade magazine for teachers.

If proven cheaters and frauds can grade THEMSELVES, then the honest students ought to be able to grade THEMSELVES.

Here are 2 authentic studies:

http://voices.yahoo.com/state-education-ranki...

http://gaeducation.blogspot.com/2008/08/2008-...

Here's more:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_does_Georgia_...

And finally, everything about you people reeks of juvenile deception tactics, like using the name, "Facts" to give yourself the illusion of credibility when there is none.

That can fool a little kid.
It can't fool adults.

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