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Conservative Christians Struggle With Christianity

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#44
Oct 23, 2009
 
Michael Ejercito wrote:
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How is His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI trying to meddle with your sexuality?
You don't comprehend. You 'christans' are always in here meddling. DUH!

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#45
Oct 24, 2009
 
Light Sensitive wrote:
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you can disagree, but you cant prove that the J-man ever wanted the title of The Christ.
lots of things run thru the bible...most of them silliness. but not much prove anything...
I've said before, the Bible is a belief book. Christ said blessed is the man who believes but has not seen (Him). That I believe.

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#46
Oct 24, 2009
 
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seems only xtians are filled to the brim with themselves. seems to be their biggest failing. their egos so bloated because of a belief system. Im special, Im saved. god talks to me! I know god personally!
not me. I deflated myself of self and false beliefs that some supernatural beings are intervening in this world many many years ago...been all much lighter since.
"Only Christians are filled to the brim with themselves" Not hardly. We gays are as full of ourselves as anyone is.
Making generalizations about Christians is the same as making generalizations about gays. That be the case, we are all pedophiles, sodomites, etc. We don't want to go there.

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#47
Oct 24, 2009
 
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outside of what?
Closed off to the possibility of believing. Hence,'outside'.

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Oct 24, 2009
 
ccrider wrote:
In the story about the guy that died, Frankul, in PA, it said that God was not mentioned; with one exception. Instead, attention was paid to the "good works" of this man. It's good that man has good works. I guess it's good even if the man is not a Christian, HOWEVER, that does NOT mean that that man (not necessarily this guy but anyone) will go to be with God based upon his good works. Good works won't save you because you can't save yourself. Only God can do that through the work of Jesus. Since at lot of the attention was on Conservapedia and Beck, I thought I would throw that in.
Have you ever heard the saying, "actions speak louder than words".
Saying, "I believe" is one thing. Doing "I believe" is better, much better. It proves to Him that you actually do believe. There really isn't any other way to prove it to Him.

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#49
Oct 24, 2009
 

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It should be titled conservative christians struggle with their sexuality
Or "Conservative Christians Struggle to Find More Hate".

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Oct 24, 2009
 
Michael Ejercito wrote:
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How is His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI trying to meddle with your sexuality?
Well seeing he's a gay pope with a boyfriend who tries to convince the world homosexuality is against God's will.... well, that's not only hateful but totally hypocritical.

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#51
Oct 25, 2009
 
Christianity is not Protestantism - they are now opposites, thanks to those religious leaders, both in churches and in the media.
Christianity is a faith, Protestantism is now the business of worshipping money, which is why intelligent people have left those organizations.
All they have left now are the masses who are willing to sell out to anybody who will do their thinking for them. Those leaders have completely turned good and evil around, and still the masses follow them.
That's why conservatives have trouble. If they were intelligent, they wouldn't be conservatives in the first place. At protestant protest. net you can decide for yourself if that's why the U.S. is suffering now.
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Oct 25, 2009
 
Catholic created gay wrote:
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I've said before, the Bible is a belief book. Christ said blessed is the man who believes but has not seen (Him). That I believe.
yes, but he never says one who doesnt see is unblessed...thomas wasnt cast out of the group for wanting proof and he got it, allegedly. according to the story.

using the story device of a doubter and contrating him to those who merley accept is hardly a great tactic...and it was rife thru out the older texts, so why not use it in the NT? and isnt it convenient that he said it to people who could reach out and touch him...

and beside that, each and every believer has had their proof criteria met in some form...Im still waiting for mine...
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Oct 25, 2009
 
Catholic created gay wrote:
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"Only Christians are filled to the brim with themselves" Not hardly. We gays are as full of ourselves as anyone is.
Making generalizations about Christians is the same as making generalizations about gays. That be the case, we are all pedophiles, sodomites, etc. We don't want to go there.
yeah, yeah...we know the generalizations thing...trouble is we're on a public forum where they are made all the time and most of us undertstand that most of the posters are not including everyone when they are made, and many of us tend to use qualifiers - most xtians, many xtians, some xtians, xtians like you...

but yeah, seems to me that most xtians are way over-filled with themsleves...humility seems to have been erased from the american xtian lexicon...
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Catholic created gay wrote:
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Closed off to the possibility of believing. Hence,'outside'.
no not all. but I might be closed off to using your/others evidence as any sort of proof. I've seen a mountain of it and so far I tend to be little more demanding of what I would worship as a god. and nothing xtian, nothing in the mono-3 has convinced me at all...

and according to a good deal of xtian preaching and doctrines no one is closed out - no one. unless we go down the doctrine of election path...than youre all F'd...no one will know where the special wrapper is...(willy wonka reference)

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#55
Nov 1, 2009
 
Conservative Christians are waking up to the fact that their Protestant leaders have misled them.
The Bible says you can not serve two masters and those leaders have been saying they worship God, but are really worshipping the Almighty Dollar.
Those leaders have told them that their god demands that they vote Republican. That breaks the law which says that they can't be involved in politics and be tax-exempt at the same time. See protestant protest. net and find out what else godless Protestant leaders have done to betray Christianity.
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#56
Nov 14, 2009
 
McMike wrote:
I'm just waiting for a conservative to pick up this Bible and declare it as the Holy Truth and the Word of God since it's in the "Bible". If we ever needed any definite proof men have drastically changed the Bible to fit their bias in the past this is it.
It is true that men "twist the Scriptures to fit their own ideas. The Bible acknowledges this would happen.(2Peter 3:15,16) However, proof exist that the Bible that is read today adheres to the orginal manuscripts. To say otherwise demonstrates a lack of knowledge. For example: In one study, scholars compared the 53rd chapter of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scroll with the Masoretic text produced a thousand years later. The book A General Introduction to the Bible, explains the results of the study:“Of the 166 words in Isaiah 53, there are only seventeen letters in question. Ten of these letters are simply a matter of spelling, which does not affect the sense. Four more letters are minor stylistic changes, such as conjunctions. The remaining three letters comprise the word ‘light,’ which is added in verse 11, and does not affect the meaning greatly.. . . Thus, in one chapter of 166 words, there is only one word (three letters) in question after a thousand years of transmission—and this word does not significantly change the meaning of the passage.”
Professor Millar Burrows, who worked with the scrolls for years, analyzing their contents, came to a similar conclusion:“Many of the differences between the . . . Isaiah scroll and the Masoretic text can be explained as mistakes in copying. Apart from these, there is a remarkable agreement, on the whole, with the text found in the medieval manuscripts. Such agreement in a manuscript so much older gives reassuring testimony to the general accuracy of the traditional text.
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Nov 14, 2009
 
happypioneer wrote:
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It is true that men "twist the Scriptures to fit their own ideas. The Bible acknowledges this would happen.(2Peter 3:15,16) However, proof exist that the Bible that is read today adheres to the orginal manuscripts. To say otherwise demonstrates a lack of knowledge. For example: In one study, scholars compared the 53rd chapter of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scroll with the Masoretic text produced a thousand years later. The book A General Introduction to the Bible, explains the results of the study:“Of the 166 words in Isaiah 53, there are only seventeen letters in question. Ten of these letters are simply a matter of spelling, which does not affect the sense. Four more letters are minor stylistic changes, such as conjunctions. The remaining three letters comprise the word ‘light,’ which is added in verse 11, and does not affect the meaning greatly.. . . Thus, in one chapter of 166 words, there is only one word (three letters) in question after a thousand years of transmission—and this word does not significantly change the meaning of the passage.”
Professor Millar Burrows, who worked with the scrolls for years, analyzing their contents, came to a similar conclusion:“Many of the differences between the . . . Isaiah scroll and the Masoretic text can be explained as mistakes in copying. Apart from these, there is a remarkable agreement, on the whole, with the text found in the medieval manuscripts. Such agreement in a manuscript so much older gives reassuring testimony to the general accuracy of the traditional text.
run-on sentences and thoughts are a really great way to communicate.

there is nothing in the thin-line of consistency of manuscripts that proves the god...there are enough wrong things with the many copies, of copies of copies to allow for the conclusion that the bible is not inerrant, nor telling us the true story of this man called Jesus...
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Nov 14, 2009
 
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run-on sentences and thoughts are a really great way to communicate.
there is nothing in the thin-line of consistency of manuscripts that proves the god...there are enough wrong things with the many copies, of copies of copies to allow for the conclusion that the bible is not inerrant, nor telling us the true story of this man called Jesus...
In the same way that the discovery of ancient manuscripts has helped to restore the pure, original text of the Bible, so the discovery of the multitude of artifacts has often demonstrated that the things stated in the Bible text are historically, chronologically, and geographically reliable, right down to the minutest details. However, it would be a mistake to conclude that archaeology agrees with the Bible in every case. It must be remembered that archaeology is not an infallible field of study. Archaeological findings are subject to human interpretations, and some of these interpretations have changed from time to time. Archaeology has at times provided unrequired support for the truthfulness of God’s Word. Further, as stated by the late Sir Frederic Kenyon, director and principal librarian of the British Museum for many years, archaeology has rendered the Bible “more intelligible through a fuller knowledge of its background and setting.” But faith must rest on the Bible, not on archaeology.—Rom. 10:9; Heb. 11:6
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