Ram n Renter a: Kissing at Chico's Tacos is in bad taste

Unfortunate that you have so much hate and fear inside you....

amen brother, i am with tim hardaway on this issue

Jake wrote:

El Paso Times, Texas, Ramon Renteria column: Kissing at Chico's Tacos is in bad taste [El Paso
Jul. 12--EL PASO -- Chico's Tacos is a great place to hang out any time, especially when you're muy hungry after hours.
Chico's is an El Paso institution, their flauta-like tacos so revered and craved that parents will ship them cross-country by express air freight to students attending college elsewhere.
So you can imagine how high El Paso eyebrows were raised when the media got wind of the chisme.
Police said a group of five gay guys was asked to leave a Chico's restaurant after two of them were seen munching. Not on the crunchy taquitos smothered in cheese and tomato sauce but on each other -- as in kissing in public.
The last time we checked, tacos de lengua were not on the official Chico's menu.
Media reports suggested this was a simple kiss, not exactly the more intense public display of affection that you might see at a San Francisco bistro. The incident sparked a debate in conservative El Paso over whether the security personnel and police officers responded appropriately.
It's not anybody's business what gay or straight couples do within the confines of their private lives. When you kiss your girlfriend, boyfriend, spouse or partner anywhere in public -- no matter how passionate or innocent the kiss -- it becomes everybody's business. You rub your lousy behavior in our face.
Does a straight guy have the right to touch his girlfriend's behind in church?
We all go to Chico's expecting to emerge with our tummies happily bloated and our tongues burning from
the jalapeno salsa. While Chico's Tacos attracts all sorts of characters, some interesting and others just plain weird, we do not go there to be entertained or repulsed by the diners in the next booth.
What ever happened to common decency?
How many times have you begged your sons and daughters not to kiss like **** in heat at the mall, the movie theater, the concert, the stadium and especially restaurants?
Kissing at restaurants is inappropriate, a basic lack of respect for others. Diners don't want to see you barefooted, bare chested or swapping DNA.
Grandparents don't want to have to explain to 4-year-old grandchildren why two dudes were kissing at Chico's. "Don't look, mija. Here's another bunch of quarters, go play another video game. Pronto."
We can argue all night over whether the authorities should be applauded or condemned, whether civil rights were violated in this situation, and whether we are tolerant or not.
The bigger question is whether any of us, regardless of our sexual orientation, should be kissing at Chico's, Starbucks or any other public venue, even if it's not illegal and even when your peer group condones this type of behavior in public.
Necking in public never blends well with that double order with extra cheese and extra salsa on the side.

If a woman kisses a woman in public you of all people would be ok by it and i bet you would even try to get pictures and post them in youtube,but since we live in a double standard town lets point the finger a this gnetleman who showed affection between each other. You should know that in the muslin religion it is customary to hold hands and kiss each other in the cheek to show affection between men. Times are a changing and you should just keep your comments about people with other preferences to your self, or are you free from guilt? Everyone in this world has skeletons in their closet, and the only one who can judge us is GOD!

mexican wrote:

renteria, your good at writting and hidding your racist, bigoted mexican hatred for gay people, its not about kissing inside that taco stand,its about discrimination against gay people, mexicans are the most homophobic people anywhere,

I've lived in many other places besides El Paso so I can state with some authority that your statement is invalid on many levels and bigoted as much as Mr. Renteria's is a flimsy attempt to hide his homophobia. Combating one prejudice with another prejudice is as useful as killing both opposing parties to settle a dispute.

I agree with Ramon...
IF these dudes continue with their lawsuit it is based on greed not justice.
Move on El Paso. Their 5 minutes of flame is extinguished.

You sound lonely.

"...parents will ship them cross-country by express air freight to students attending college elsewhere."

Of course they do, Ramon. It has been years since I went there (once). You can't get them from the counter to your table without spilling the watered-down "sauce." Moreover, the little shallow boxes that they are served in are only folded at the corners and there's nothing to keep them from leaking the sauce (juice) through the folds, unless you eat them fast. I don't think you've ever been in Chico's, Ramon. You should write fiction. At reporting, you're a total flop.

i think this article is strait out dumb!! first of all if you were to see a man and women kiss in public you would not make it as big of a deal!! everyone knows that! and yes everyone has their own opinions and i understand that but i can tell by this article that they are very closed minded i mean honestly who is going to have their 4yr old out and about eating chicos at 12 midnight...it might not have been in good judgement to think people would oversee the fact that they were gay and be open minded

What ever happened to common decency? WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO GOOD TACOS?

Certain human fears are not phobic, they are self-protective; fear of heights, fear of small enclosed spaces, fear of unfamiliar animals, fear of unfamiliar sounds and loud noises, etc.

I totally agree with Renteria. In this country you are considered innocent and not guilty. So say that how about all the men that were involved in this incident coming forward and stating their feelings toward this. I feel the man being interviewed all over the media is a publicity hound. Just like the lady with mouse on a stick at the chinese restaurant, how about the happy guys coming forward and facing the music. Were there 5 gays or were there 8 gays that is the question that should also be answered.

Opposing Queerbonics: Homophobic or Homological?
Gerald L. Rowles, Ph.D.

"We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us." - The Homosexual Agenda

In their endless quest for universal public acceptance, the homosexual houdinis are attempting to perpetrate a failed bit of legerdemain from the 'civil rights' movement. In place of the chicanery that was Ebonics, however, you might call this ploy 'Queerbonics'.

In the late 90s,'educators' in Oakland California arrived at the upside-down conclusion that because of high failure rates, the elementary schools should "help teachers understand the characteristics of their students' speech so they can lead the children to an awareness of the difference"; i.e., they should be thoroughly grounded in Ebonics, or African American Vernacular English.

Instead of calling it defective English, the proponents attempted to mask Ebonics as a 'dialect'. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed: " An Examiner writer editorialized (12/20/97) that "[i]n the real world of colleges and commerce and communication, it's not OK to speak Ebonics as a primary language. Job recruiters don't bring along a translator." Ultimately it was revealed that the real motivation behind the Ebonics craze was an attempt to snatch federal money: "[T]he educators hope[d] to win federal bilingual dollars to help pay for the program."

Fast forward to February 6, 2003 and we find the following news item: "A panel of university professors will gather in the nation's capital on Valentine's Day to instruct fellow scholars, students and homosexuals on the proper usage of "lavender" language and linguistics -- the words homosexuals use to express their sexual orientation." Lavender language? Sounds a lot like 'sexual Ebonics', doesn't it? Point of fact, one of the so-called scholars at this event, Bill Leap, phrased it thusly, "the university-sponsored event will promote a better understanding of the so-called lavender language among students, scholars and homosexuals." It sounds like he is straight out of the Oakland school of linguistics. And it could be said that the entire homosexual propaganda effort should be characterized as Queerbonics.

In this specific case, it isn't clear that the homosexual Queerbonics agenda has financial ramifications for the educational field. No, it's more insidious than that. Consider this bit of nonsense from Professor Leap on so-called "homophobic language used in media coverage": "I think the most viciously prominent example is when media gives all kinds of unnecessary, but definitely salacious information about a gay person...that somehow implies that they're criminal," said Leap.

Speaking of small leaps, will lawsuits against the major news media for employing anti-gay 'hate language' become another 'civil rights' fixture in the very near future? And given that this is a conference of university professors, it is a certainty that if this agenda is successful, implementation of the Queerbonics curriculum at the elementary school level is near certainty.

Let's be very clear, this alarm about Queerbonics is not indicative of a homophobic reaction. Homophobia was not even a recognized word in the 1973 edition of Webster's. It wasn't until the 1995 revision when Webster's included it in the New World College Dictionary - about the same time that Ebonics, which didn't make that edition, popped up. As defined in this brave 'new world' edition, homophobia is an irrational hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality. The operative term here is 'irrational'.

There is nothing irrational about a fear of, or even hatred (strong dislike or ill will) towards homosexuality. Unlike the speech behavior called Ebonics, which merely propagates ignorance, homosexuality is a base, compulsive, predatory behavior that kills people and spreads disease. It is base or indecent because it has no regard for its biologically harmful effects and its human debasement. It is compulsive because it is primarily defined by an unlimited string of brief encounters and repetitious acts of deviant sexual gratification with multiple, sometimes hundreds of, partners. It is predatory because it cannot reproduce itself without preying upon the uninitiated.

For Homo sapiens to condemn homosexuality is not homophobic, it is 'homological'. The term homological derives from the Greek, homologos (same) and legein (logic). In other words, heterosexuality is the basic structure of mankind from a common primitive origin. Certain human fears are not phobic, they are self-protective; fear of heights, fear of small enclosed spaces, fear of unfamiliar animals, fear of unfamiliar sounds and loud noises, etc.

In the species Homo sapiens, there is no genetic predisposition for homosexuality. There are only two sexes, the female sex defined by the XX chromosomal combination, and the male sex defined by the XY chromosomal combination. There is no XYX, or YXY, etc. And when chromosomal aberrations do occur in human beings, such as an extra Y chromosome (Klinefelter syndrome), or an extra random chromosome (Down's syndrome), the results are generally negative; either criminal tendencies or extreme retardation, respectively.

Further, homosexuality is not a lifestyle, it is a deathstyle, as reported by news analyst Mary Mostert:

So, what’s the problem with these warm fuzzy descriptions (in school programs) of homosexuality as a lifestyle? It is a totally false portrayal, that’s the problem. Among homosexuals, suicide, traffic deaths, drug abuse, and recurrent diseases occur at rates 3 to 60 times as frequently as in the general population. And these figures do not even begin to address the near certainty of AIDS. Homosexuals are 14 times more like to have Syphilis; 23 times more likely to contract some venereal disease; thousands of times more likely lo contract AIDS.

In fact, the homosexual deathstyle leads to as much as a forty-year reduction in the life span, with one study revealing that only one percent of homosexuals lived to be 65 or older. A recent report entitled: "Homosexuality-A public Health Problem” by Raphael Kazmann states that the average age of homosexuals who die with AIDS is 39. The average age of homosexuals who die of other causes is only 41.

And speaking of AIDS, an issue that is in our faces every day - witness the decimation of the continent of Africa. Or, closer to home, consider the recent revelation that nearly 25% of new U.S. AIDS cases are intentionally inflicted. On February 6th, Rolling Stones magazine outed the new phenomenon of "Bug Chasers" or, "The men who want the (AIDS) virus are called 'bug chasers,' and the men who freely give the virus to them are called 'gift givers'." As related by one participant in this phenom: "If I know that he's negative and I'm f**king him, it sort of gets me off. I'm murdering him in a sense, killing him slowly, and that's sort of, as sick as it sounds, exciting to me." At the risk of insensitivity, what the hell is 'gay' about that?

One more thing. I have spoken to friends that live in El Paso. They all agree, if you are at Chico's at midnight you are gonna see freaks. So if you want to blame anyone, blame the guys that were making a scene at Chico's and the security guard probably gets paid minimum wage, I would call the cops too.

Make no mistake, homosexuality is a predatory behavior, and its practitioners are also targeting our kids, directly through pedophilia and indirectly through propaganda such as Queerbonics. And throughout the country, government school programs are promoting homosexual 'tolerance', and are thereby threatening our kids' lives. Classroom doors in some school districts prominently display "rainbow triangles" that designate certain classrooms as "safe-zones" for homosexual, bisexual, or transgender students. In one case, the signs were only removed after it was found that "they pitted some teachers against one another because if a teacher chose not to have that symbol on their door -- it was on a voluntary basis -- did that mean they weren't a safe place to go to?"

Renowned columnist Joseph Sobran, writing two years ago, had this sobering epiphany:

"Getting in touch with my feelings the other day, I realized how I loathe homosexuals. All of them? Of course not. Some of them are funny, kind, intelligent, and otherwise pleasant. But homosexuals in general, yes. I can’t stand them. Especially the ones who are organized under the rubric of gay rights.

Normal people find homosexuality, especially male homosexuality, repellent. We’re supposed to apologize for that? Our slang words for the anus, and their use as insults, express our disgust with the whole idea of anal sex. Apart from the personal defilement it involves, it’s grossly unsanitary.

Believe me, when a child you love has been sodomized, it takes a lot of the romance out of buggery. What was merely disgusting becomes nauseating. You needn’t hate the perpetrator — who, in this case as in so many others, had been sodomized as a child himself — to feel utter revulsion at the act, and contempt for those who try to endow it with dignity."

Sobran's fear and repulsion were not unwarranted. In Massachusetts, just a year before, a scandal erupted over what came to be called Fistgate. Billed as a 'Child's Sex Conference,' a workshop sponsored by the homosexual organization, GLSEN, and the Department of Education was held in which educators instructed teens in graphic homosexual sex (Queerbonics in action). If it had not been for two parents, both fathers, named Brian Camenker and Scott Whiteman, who attended the conference and secretly taped the proceedings, other parents might not have known what had transpired. For their protective efforts, Camenker and Whiteman are now being endlessly harassed with lawsuits by GLAAD, the legal intimidation wing of the sodomy lobby.(an MP3 copy of the taped session is available at this link)

Worth noting is that the children who are most vulnerable to the homosexual agenda are fatherless boys. And it is estimated that approximately 80% of pedophilic victims are boys who have been molested by adult males. While no more than 2% of male adults are homosexual, some studies indicate that approximately 35% of pedophiles are homosexual. As blatantly outlined in The Homosexual Agenda, "We shall sodomize your sons ... they will come to crave and adore us."

President Bush, in this year's State of the Union address, proposed a commitment of $15 billion dollars to fight AIDS on the African continent. One columnist, Michael Kelly, celebrated this announcement, saying, "$15 billion, and not just for babies--for vast programs of treatment with the cheap generic drugs, for wide-scale condom distribution. Billions in taxpayers' money. For condoms for Africa. In a recession. In a time of record budget deficits. It is a rare and wonderful thing."

O.K., let's spend billions to save lives in Africa by conquering the AIDS epidemic. Rare and wonderful? Maybe, maybe not, depending on how much of the money the sodomy lobby can misappropriate for "fisting" classes, HIV positive proms, flirting classes, and sexy advertisements, as they have with CDC grants.

But think about this. For more than two years, the anti-father lobby has vigorously fought the Bush proposal to provide a paltry $300 million targeted to promote marriage and eliminate fatherlessness. Now, in Africa, according to President Bush, "nearly 30 million people have the AIDS virus, including 3 million children under the age of 15." But, Mr. President, in America approximately 14 million fathers are being systematically deprived of a meaningful role in their children's lives - affecting more than 20 million children under the age of 18, half of whom are boys.

What does one have to do with the other? Well, at least in one case, two homological fathers protectively intervened in the lives of hundreds of children to protect them from the double-edged threat of homosexual predation and the scourge of the AIDS virus. How many billions was that worth?

Mr. President, why not allocate 10% of that $15 billion AIDS allotment toward a cheap, generic antidote for Queerbonics and pedophilia in the U.S.? That cheap, generic antidote is called fatherhood. Aren't 10 million of America's sons just as deserving as 3 million African kids? That's not being homophobic, it's being homological.

Jake go back to sleep. Say it in the least amount of words possible.

Enough chisme!! Bottom line: Chico's Taco's is in violation of a city ordinance that prohibits restaurants from discriminating based on sexual orientation. The restaurant owners, Bernie and Byron meed to be held accountable.

Ramon Renteria,your Catholic true color is showing!! You could probably use the{ taco de lengua} up your behind. I have been to the taco{chicos} place there.And gay people kissing don`t scare me or hurt me.But what is scary ,is the gang bangers that do hang out there at chico`s.And the punks that don`t like blacks ,but copy their low wearing pants {showing their cheap brand of KMART BOXERS}.And a kiss can be silent ,but the cuss words from these gang bangers is more damaging than a kiss. There is more gays with CLASS and RESPECT.But the ones at chico`s taco were lacking this.And besides Chico`s tacos is also lacking in taste,maybe they have had to cut back on certain ingredients on account of the economy.Health inspectors probably get paid under the table,because many a times I would not pass their inspections if I were an inspector!!!

miguel wrote:

Jake go back to sleep. Say it in the least amount of words possible.

Do you find the article disturbing, or is it too much for your small brain to process?