El Dorado County Sheriff's Bad Arrest?

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Phantom

France

#1 Jun 28, 2008
Two security guards were patrolling in a private gated community managed by a Home Owners Association. They approach a resident who is running heavy machinery after 9pm. They remind the home owner (who is a known trouble maker) of the HOA rules regarding the use of the equipment and the home owner becomes verbally offensive towards the security guards "I don't have to do anything, Get the F*$% off my property.". Once again the officers ask the owner to please shut down the equipment for the remainder of the night. The home owner runs at the officers yelling with closed fists. One of the security officers fearing for their safety pepper sprays the individual, handcuffs the subject to detain him for assault and promptly notifies the local authorities. The El Dorado County Sheriff's Department arrives on scene. Releases the home owner and arrests the two security guards for "False Imprisonment" and "Ill use of tear gas", both felonies, and proceeds to take the officers to the El Dorado County Jail. The officers promptly bond out and the County RELEASES the "evidence" (handcuffs and pepper spray) back to the supposed "suspects". Sounds like a bad arrest? I think so. This incident has generated quite a few chuckles from various agencies in Sacramento County and has also piqued the interest of a half dozen attorneys ready to take fire on the County. Has anyone else ever heard of such blasphemy occurring with this department?
STFU

Oakland, CA

#2 Jun 30, 2008
All I can say about that is thank god they didn't issue those morons firearms.
Some Guy

United States

#3 Jun 30, 2008
So STFU, you think Security guards do not have the right to defend themselves against violent people? They are trying to provide a service and do what they are trained to do. So what if they have a firearm or not, they are required by the state to undergo many hours of training. Most of the officers trained for firearms are a little more level headed than some of the others, being off topic aside. They were wronged by a couple keystone cops to shouldn't be in law enforcement. Perhaps next time they would rather write a report of a security guard who was killed because he could not defend himself.
female owner assaulted

Tracy, CA

#4 Jul 1, 2008
the whole incident happened on our driveway. we have 5 car garages and the security was asked to leave our property while my husband was calling 911. when i asked the two security guard what is the problem, i was sprayed within a few seconds because i did not back up futher up on my driverway. my husband came to my help because i could not see or breath. then he was jumped from the back and sprayed and hand cuffed. out teenage son was inside the house when the police called back. he brought the phone outside and he was shocked to see his father in hancuffs and mother unable to see. there was no dirty words exchanged. we are christians, we did not want to press charges against there people, never the less talk dirty. the "heavy machinery" is a small honda generator that did not start then or now. my neighbour's Harley or my husbands disel truck makes more noise. my son took pictures ofthe incident and there is plenty of daylight. we have no neighbours around our house. the comotion lasted about 3 hours and no neighbour noticed or heard my yelling or my husband call for help. tell me next time you live in a multimilion dollar community and start any of your toys in the garage that is OK for the security officer to come, spray you and your spouse, put your face in the bark from the front yard, handcuff you on your property because you asked them to leave your property.
Agent Orange

Fort Walton Beach, FL

#5 Jul 5, 2008
From the looks of the sheriff's report and the information obtained from the management company for the HOA, it appears it will not go far. Internal Affairs is going to have fun with these Deputies.
cookie

Sacramento, CA

#6 Jul 6, 2008
i just would like to know where you found this information about this i would like to see it. and is el dorado county sheriffs really doing there jobs
american soldier

Sacramento, CA

#7 Jul 7, 2008
I feel that these security guards are getting a raw deal. what has this country come to when a member of homeland security can't defend there selfs agianst a vilont individual. i agree with some guy, what would the officers in this matter rather do wright a report about a security guard that was killed becuase he could not defend his self.

hooah

Since: Feb 08

cameron park

#8 Jul 7, 2008
female owner assaulted wrote:
the whole incident happened on our driveway. we have 5 car garages and the security was asked to leave our property while my husband was calling 911. when i asked the two security guard what is the problem, i was sprayed within a few seconds because i did not back up futher up on my driverway. my husband came to my help because i could not see or breath. then he was jumped from the back and sprayed and hand cuffed. out teenage son was inside the house when the police called back. he brought the phone outside and he was shocked to see his father in hancuffs and mother unable to see. there was no dirty words exchanged. we are christians, we did not want to press charges against there people, never the less talk dirty. the "heavy machinery" is a small honda generator that did not start then or now. my neighbour's Harley or my husbands disel truck makes more noise. my son took pictures ofthe incident and there is plenty of daylight. we have no neighbours around our house. the comotion lasted about 3 hours and no neighbour noticed or heard my yelling or my husband call for help. tell me next time you live in a multimilion dollar community and start any of your toys in the garage that is OK for the security officer to come, spray you and your spouse, put your face in the bark from the front yard, handcuff you on your property because you asked them to leave your property.
take off your rose colored glasses lady. your living in a multi million dollar neighborhood does not give you the right to disrespect others trying to do their job. those security men were doing what ALL the other folks in your neighborhood are PAYING for. there are HOA rules you need to live by. just because you "think" your neighbors are far enough away they can't hear you. appearantly you are wrong because someone complained. did you not get a good enough eduation to know that sound travels? just because its light out at 8-9 pm does not mean you can break the noise ordinance. some people still have to go to bed by 8 whether its light or dark in order to be at work in the wee morning hours. from the sounds of it your husband is a known troublemaker. who in the heck does he think he is telling a security patrol to get off his property when responding to a complaint and calling 911 on them? is he not civilized enough to accept that he was breaking an ordinance and to just say "ok sir sorry for the problem" people like him make me sick. he needs a good kick in the butt as a reminder that he is NOT ABOVE ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD. what in the worls are you going to do if someone tries to break in your house or if someone attempts to vandalize it? those security men would be there quicker than the cops and could possibly save your house from theft but good luck with that now. i doubt you will get a fast response from them now.
palango

Rancho Cordova, CA

#9 Jul 9, 2008
I hate HOA's with their power trip. This will shut em up for while.
Go ED Sheriffs!!!

p.s.. I hope it was the JOKJE Serrano HOA.
cookie

Isleton, CA

#10 Jul 9, 2008
nope it had nothing to do with Serrano.
EDSO Spy

Berlin, Germany

#11 Jul 16, 2008
El Dorado SO made a very critical mistake that they documented in their report. This will cost them. Attorneys have already dissected this report and its clear that the DA will not press the issue. They have so many internal leaks in their department it is ridiculous. For example, the report is "File Number G0806343" for those who are close to the case. Very poor judgment on Deputy J.S's part.

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Seriously

Granite Bay, CA

#12 Jul 16, 2008
The home owner told the "security guards" to get off his property. He had every right to go after them and defend his property and the Sheriffs were right in arresting the "security guards" for spraying the owner and holding him. If the "guards" had any common sense they would have left when told knowing they dont belong there.
hax0r

Paris, France

#13 Jul 17, 2008
Funny, that's not what the report says. Report says they left the property and the guy didn't like them standing in the street so he came after them. Apparently you think the arresting officer is lying? Bottom line is the deputies are idiots and made a bad call. I've never worked security so I don't know it goes in home owners associations, but the law (and attorneys) say that these guards were well within the law. One thing the deputy did and put in his report is a violation of the law.
cookie

Rocklin, CA

#14 Jul 18, 2008
I believe that Seurity Guards where in the right and the el dorado county sheriffs are in the wrong and are destroy the Seurity Gurads lifes and home stud. And yes the report says that the Seurity Guards left the property and they did. I would like to know what the home owners association is doing about this?
Debbie Bean

Phoenix, AZ

#15 Aug 24, 2008
I am quite sure it was an error on the Sheriffs end. I recently had a ridiculous experience with them myself...if anyone else has had a 'bad arrest' or similar issue with el dorado co. sheriffs please email me at fast1_dcb@yahoo.com. I would greatly appreciate it (you can remain nameless if you prefer) Thanks....
mpsguy

Millbrae, CA

#16 Aug 25, 2008
It was private property. Real law enforcement will enforce the law in the situation, not backup a HOA and it's silly rules. What the home owner says goes - HOA security guards way overstepped their bounds in this case and the deputies were correct in their actions. Contrary to what Serrano HOA would have you think, the laws of this country still recognize the concept of private property.
Armed Security Patrol

Sonora, CA

#17 Aug 26, 2008
I work as Security Patrol in a private multi-million dollar community, we do same type of work as these security guys do. And honestly if I had a noise complaint from other residents about someone making noises at evening...i would respond and tell the trouble maker to shut up. If he would come at me with negative language and crap like that I would Certaintly pop a whole bottle of pepper spray at him no questions asked. I wouldnt take shit like that from anybody, especially when he is trouble and I am responding to complaint to shut him up. GOOD JOB SECURITY GUARDS, you guys did the right thing.(Im fully armed at work for my personal safety, and law says clearly that "Officer safety comes First" all the rest is secondary. so u lady that got sprayed need to shut the fuck up cause ur nothing...u pay security to guard and protect u and your home and your family. they protect themselved 1st, your safety is secondary (according to law)
Amazed

United States

#18 Aug 26, 2008
Wow, Armed Security Patrol! I'm gonna sleep better tonight knowing you're out there on-duty...
As low as the standards have gotten for "real' law enforcement officers, imagine the caliber of those wannabe's who don't make the cut and have to be security guards. Ha!
A good law enforcement officer would have attempted to calm down a person on his own property down first rather than escalate the situation, then call in back up. At least there would have been otyher officers to witness the takedown and proper use of force. The smart move for the security guards would have been to go back to the car the second they encountered resistance and called for further instruction from their office or contact the "real" law if the situation seemed like it could become that dangerous.
The "macho" guards accosted a person in his own driveway and continued their pressure until they pushed the resident into actions that caused them to fear for their safety. The guards didn't get chased off of the property where they subdued the resident, they assaulted him in front of his own home. They made several poor decisions that call into question their qualifications for having the responsibility of their positions.
I don't know if these guards should be prosecuted criminally, but their company should be held liable in a civil case. The guards should be dismissed and the homeowners association should change security companies.
Hangtown6

Sacramento, CA

#19 Aug 30, 2008
Armed Security Patrol wrote:
I work as Security Patrol in a private multi-million dollar community, we do same type of work as these security guys do. And honestly if I had a noise complaint from other residents about someone making noises at evening...i would respond and tell the trouble maker to shut up. If he would come at me with negative language and crap like that I would Certaintly pop a whole bottle of pepper spray at him no questions asked. I wouldnt take shit like that from anybody, especially when he is trouble and I am responding to complaint to shut him up. GOOD JOB SECURITY GUARDS, you guys did the right thing.(Im fully armed at work for my personal safety, and law says clearly that "Officer safety comes First" all the rest is secondary. so u lady that got sprayed need to shut the fuck up cause ur nothing...u pay security to guard and protect u and your home and your family. they protect themselved 1st, your safety is secondary (according to law)
Did you have to pass a mental health evaluation before getting your job?You obviously have some issues that need addressed.Hopefully the Sherriff's Dept will be taking you away soon.
WCL

United States

#20 Sep 26, 2008
The police report says the security officers were OFF the property when the home owner ran at them aggressively. Their supervisor ordered them to leave the home owners property and they did just that. They were standing in the street off the property. This is what the actual EDSO report says.

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