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OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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asdf

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#22539
Jul 6, 2012
 
Justaminute wrote:
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Well, I guess your employer pays 100% of your premiums and what insurance you have, the gold standard. I don't know why your complaining about Obamacare in the first place. Maybe you just resent everybody else getting the ability what you have. Or having the ability too not that people with pre-exisiting conditions can't be refused coverage too.
It must be great to hardly have to work and still have all that insurance and a health care savings account to when you are in your thirties with a family too. What do you do for a living? Rock star?
You assume way too much. Unless I tell you something explicitly, don't assume it. This entire post is full of things you have assumed.

In my first post, I tried to explain to you that it's wrong and the taxpayers should be ticked off because if I weren't made to do this, I could find a much cheaper policy. Every year when I have to go through the choices of companies we can pick from and I see the premiums for them, it blows my mind that it's even allowed to happen. But because of the employment it is attached to, we are required to take it, we don't have a choice. It makes no sense.

I know, it's a sweet deal and it's wonderful for us, but it doesn't make it the right thing to do on the backs of the taxpayers, and they don't even get a choice. I'm not even sure how the deal was ever made to do something like this setup, unless a union was involved at some point. The whole thing is just like Obamacare.

What does being in my thirties have to do with having health insurance and a health savings account? An 18 year old could do it if it is offered to him/her in their employment.
TAMARA

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#22540
Jul 6, 2012
 
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I'm not home, I'm at the airport.
You and ASDF were the ones complaining about our ability (people with pre-existing conditions) to get coverage now.
What are you complaining about Tamara? You know this as your husband and you are self employed and took that deduction for your insurance as well? We taxpayers were paying before you got Medicare too.
Only what the government allowed us to deduct and it damn sure was less than at least half. Not all. Ours was not thru a business or a corportate account.

I was not complaining about anyone with pre-existing illnesses being covered. That was one of the few things I did agree apond.

Not have a safe trip back and please don't leave your odd sense of humor behind.
TAMARA

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#22541
Jul 6, 2012
 
Sorry Justaminute Not should be Now.
asdf

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#22542
Jul 6, 2012
 
Justaminute wrote:
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I'm not home, I'm at the airport.
You and ASDF were the ones complaining about our ability (people with pre-existing conditions) to get coverage now.
What are you complaining about Tamara? You know this as your husband and you are self employed and took that deduction for your insurance as well? We taxpayers were paying before you got Medicare too.
Stop putting words in my mouth. I am not complaining because people with pre-existing conditions get coverage now. I think it's great as my mother used to have a problem getting insurance bc of this. But it HAS to be paid for SOMEHOW and to force every person in the country to pay for it is wrong.

Tell me, if Obama is so set on helping people with medical problems, why did he cap Health Savings Accounts at $2500? A lot of people with disabilities use these to help pay their co-payments, deductibles and extras that insurance won't pay for. Why cap it?

Why did he change the medical deduction from 7% to 10% of your AGI if he wants to help sick people?

The first one would be because Health Savings Accts is money that is not taxed. If he can cap that amount, he can make you pay taxes on the rest. THe problem is, now millions of families have to find other ways to pay for the things their loved ones need.

The second one would be, well, just like the first one. If you can't meet the 10%, you don't get to claim the deduction and the govt gets more taxes. Looks to me like a lot more money is coming out of everyone's pockets in taxes. Nice way to help the sick and poor

There is a much simpler way to take care of this problem. If health ins companies were allowed to use a little capitalism and actually compete with each other over state lines, the market would take care of itself. It would make insurance companies sweeten the deal to get your policy dollars. Competition has a way of doing that.
Justaminute

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#22543
Jul 6, 2012
 
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I am sort of sick of your name calling and everyones elses. My health insurance was only pro-rated for medical cost just like the majority does. I didnot have all my premiums paid for out of a business fund.
Maybe you need to give up some luxury stuff and start socking it back! You do realize your illness is no ones fault including the taxpayers and the governments, DON'T YOU?
And your upset about being called name when you are throwing out there right and left.
Again I hope this makes your day by calling my DiL names. Because actually I get the feeling you are not that happy of a person.
Have a Nice Day!
You still took the deduction Tamara and you still had your health care insurance paid not matter what percentage you took.

You do realize that I shouldn't be discriminated against my getting this disease don't you. How Christian of you and how wingnutty of you.

It's not name calling when it's the truth.
TAMARA

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#22544
Jul 6, 2012
 
Justaminute wrote:
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The stock market is not closed yet.
How come you didn't mention that unemployment claims were down?
Yes unemployment is at 8% something.

Feel better KIDDO?
TAMARA

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#22545
Jul 6, 2012
 
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Wow! And you probably appreciate that ASDF calls me a bitch too. I guess that having a pool is high dollar too. Your not in such bad shape yourself Tamara, I don't know why you are worried about Medicare.
Jealous? Or think that I won't advocate for people that have MS that are not in better financial shape than me or the ones that were diagnosed before they had insurance and can't get it. Or be quite about the insurance company ripping me off when I wasn't seeing a doctor or taking medicine for my MS.
Not all of us are like your daughter in law, Nurse Ratchet.
Asdf called you a name and you are calling her a name So what is the difference? You call me a name more often than I have you. Really seems like it ticks you off if someone is not down and out and poor. It seems to tick you off for seniors to still be breathing after 65. So I want you to know that because of your attitude you would be the last person sell me that Obamacare is a good thing.

Now enjoy your flight home and I hope you had fun on your trip!
Justaminute

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#22546
Jul 6, 2012
 
asdf wrote:
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You assume way too much. Unless I tell you something explicitly, don't assume it. This entire post is full of things you have assumed.
In my first post, I tried to explain to you that it's wrong and the taxpayers should be ticked off because if I weren't made to do this, I could find a much cheaper policy. Every year when I have to go through the choices of companies we can pick from and I see the premiums for them, it blows my mind that it's even allowed to happen. But because of the employment it is attached to, we are required to take it, we don't have a choice. It makes no sense.
I know, it's a sweet deal and it's wonderful for us, but it doesn't make it the right thing to do on the backs of the taxpayers, and they don't even get a choice. I'm not even sure how the deal was ever made to do something like this setup, unless a union was involved at some point. The whole thing is just like Obamacare.
What does being in my thirties have to do with having health insurance and a health savings account? An 18 year old could do it if it is offered to him/her in their employment.
Because not to many of people at your age have the ability to post day and night. With a family to boot. That must be the most well paid job with the fewest hour you have to work. And your so called employer MAKING you take the gold standard, which as I am an employer have a hard time believing in the first place. Why shouldn't we be curious to what you do?
TAMARA

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#22547
Jul 6, 2012
 
Justaminute wrote:
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You still took the deduction Tamara and you still had your health care insurance paid not matter what percentage you took.
You do realize that I shouldn't be discriminated against my getting this disease don't you. How Christian of you and how wingnutty of you.
It's not name calling when it's the truth.
Are you still drinking or what. Name calling is name calling! Or are thinking you are excempt? Give me a break here! You know most people that file long form taxes take their insurance premiums deduction. But YOU are getting YOURs paid for thru the business and you said you had partners and that all was getting health insurance thru the business, but I have never heard of anyone getting for credit on health premiums for the IRS!
Justaminute

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#22548
Jul 6, 2012
 
asdf wrote:
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Stop putting words in my mouth. I am not complaining because people with pre-existing conditions get coverage now. I think it's great as my mother used to have a problem getting insurance bc of this. But it HAS to be paid for SOMEHOW and to force every person in the country to pay for it is wrong.
Tell me, if Obama is so set on helping people with medical problems, why did he cap Health Savings Accounts at $2500? A lot of people with disabilities use these to help pay their co-payments, deductibles and extras that insurance won't pay for. Why cap it?
Why did he change the medical deduction from 7% to 10% of your AGI if he wants to help sick people?
The first one would be because Health Savings Accts is money that is not taxed. If he can cap that amount, he can make you pay taxes on the rest. THe problem is, now millions of families have to find other ways to pay for the things their loved ones need.
The second one would be, well, just like the first one. If you can't meet the 10%, you don't get to claim the deduction and the govt gets more taxes. Looks to me like a lot more money is coming out of everyone's pockets in taxes. Nice way to help the sick and poor
There is a much simpler way to take care of this problem. If health ins companies were allowed to use a little capitalism and actually compete with each other over state lines, the market would take care of itself. It would make insurance companies sweeten the deal to get your policy dollars. Competition has a way of doing that.
Because the only people that use healthcare savings accounts that are worried about the cap are the well to do now that Obamacare made insurance available to all.

Health care savings accounts don't take the place of health insurance. You would have to have at least a hundred thousand in it to feel a tiny bit comfortable. And I don't believe the middle class has the money to put much money in them. Now they have Obamacare a cap is perfectly fine.

And yes, you are cheering it on when you want to get rid of Obamacare. No matter how many people you know that have a pre-existing condition. All you want to do is keep us under the boot of insurance companies. Thanks a lot.
TAMARA

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#22549
Jul 6, 2012
 
Justaminute:::The last part should have read

Are you still drinking or what. Name calling is name calling! Or are thinking you are excempt? Give me a break here! You know most people that file long form taxes take their insurance premiums deduction. But YOU are getting YOURs paid for thru the business and you said you had partners and that all was getting health insurance thru the business, but I have never "of anyone getting full credit on health ins. premiums back from the IRS!"
Justaminute

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TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Are you still drinking or what. Name calling is name calling! Or are thinking you are excempt? Give me a break here! You know most people that file long form taxes take their insurance premiums deduction. But YOU are getting YOURs paid for thru the business and you said you had partners and that all was getting health insurance thru the business, but I have never heard of anyone getting for credit on health premiums for the IRS!
You know Tamara you whine and whine about what I say to you and then you turn around and say nasty stuff your self.

You got it too Tamara, that's why you didn't have a separate job from your husband and relied on your business to provide for you just as I did. You took all the deductions available to you.

If I had MS diagnosis I would never have quit working to help my husband start a business because I had insurance through work for the rest of my family too.

You simply don't want health insurance available to all Americans because your afraid that you won't get all your healthcare needs met or have to pay more for it through Medicare. Simple as that.
asdf

Chandler, OK

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#22551
Jul 6, 2012
 
Justaminute wrote:
<quoted text>Because not to many of people at your age have the ability to post day and night. With a family to boot. That must be the most well paid job with the fewest hour you have to work. And your so called employer MAKING you take the gold standard, which as I am an employer have a hard time believing in the first place. Why shouldn't we be curious to what you do?
You are still assuming things and I told you not to do that. You believe things about me that are not true because you have assumed them

You should be curious. But I am not posting publicly where our household income comes from. Only idiots do that

Define gold standard. I still pay deductibles and 20% of what ins doesn't pay. My policy is just like a lot of other people. I'm smart and use the health savings account to help pay for the extra that ins doesn't cover. The health savings account is my money, but its not taxed. Obama has capped that amount now so now I'll have to sock some money away to pay the extra expenses that ins wont pay for on top of the deductibles and copayments. And I won't be be able to deduct it bc it wont meet the new 10% standard. And the premiums will keep going up. Looks like people are going to be paying more than they originally were. This would be true even if I were paying the premiums. This whole scenario is what's going to happens to millions. What happened to healthcare expenses and taxes going down?

The employer doesnt pay the premium, you do
TAMARA

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Jul 6, 2012
 
Justaminute wrote:
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You know Tamara you whine and whine about what I say to you and then you turn around and say nasty stuff your self.
You got it too Tamara, that's why you didn't have a separate job from your husband and relied on your business to provide for you just as I did. You took all the deductions available to you.
If I had MS diagnosis I would never have quit working to help my husband start a business because I had insurance through work for the rest of my family too.
You simply don't want health insurance available to all Americans because your afraid that you won't get all your healthcare needs met or have to pay more for it through Medicare. Simple as that.
I really wish you knew what you were talking about half the time. I never said thru out the years I did not work. I never worked full time at the office, but I did work.

Have a great day and a pleasant flight home.
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Jul 6, 2012
 
asdf wrote:
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Stop putting words in my mouth. I am not complaining because people with pre-existing conditions get coverage now. I think it's great as my mother used to have a problem getting insurance bc of this. But it HAS to be paid for SOMEHOW and to force every person in the country to pay for it is wrong.
Tell me, if Obama is so set on helping people with medical problems, why did he cap Health Savings Accounts at $2500? A lot of people with disabilities use these to help pay their co-payments, deductibles and extras that insurance won't pay for. Why cap it?
Why did he change the medical deduction from 7% to 10% of your AGI if he wants to help sick people?
The first one would be because Health Savings Accts is money that is not taxed. If he can cap that amount, he can make you pay taxes on the rest. THe problem is, now millions of families have to find other ways to pay for the things their loved ones need.
The second one would be, well, just like the first one. If you can't meet the 10%, you don't get to claim the deduction and the govt gets more taxes. Looks to me like a lot more money is coming out of everyone's pockets in taxes. Nice way to help the sick and poor
There is a much simpler way to take care of this problem. If health ins companies were allowed to use a little capitalism and actually compete with each other over state lines, the market would take care of itself. It would make insurance companies sweeten the deal to get your policy dollars. Competition has a way of doing that.


True except when you look at the bigger picture of it all. It is Obama's ultimate goal to bankrupt the insurance industry and move America towards a socialist or single payer healthcare system. He also found out it will be a lot harder than he thought but yet the struggle marches toward that goal that I believe will ultimately happen.

The big question is, who will pay for Obamacare when all the good jobs are gone and most of the wealth is out of reach of these liberal retards? I posted earlier that 450 had left but as it turns out I was wrong.

Seems the 450 person estimate has grown. Last year 1,700 people renounced their U.S. citizenship and Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., bitching and whining has a status update for Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin: Stop attempting to dodge your taxes by renouncing your U.S. citizenship or never come to back to the U.S. again. Chuckie Boy is such a dumbass if he thought that changed any minds.
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#22554
Jul 6, 2012
 
Justaminute wrote:
<quoted text>Because the only people that use healthcare savings accounts that are worried about the cap are the well to do now that Obamacare made insurance available to all.

Health care savings accounts don't take the place of health insurance. You would have to have at least a hundred thousand in it to feel a tiny bit comfortable. And I don't believe the middle class has the money to put much money in them. Now they have Obamacare a cap is perfectly fine.

And yes, you are cheering it on when you want to get rid of Obamacare. No matter how many people you know that have a pre-existing condition. All you want to do is keep us under the boot of insurance companies. Thanks a lot.
I'm not well to do and I use HSA a LOT so you are wrong about that.

Obamacare is not the only answer so drop your BS
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Justaminute wrote:
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You know Tamara you whine and whine about what I say to you and then you turn around and say nasty stuff your self.
You got it too Tamara, that's why you didn't have a separate job from your husband and relied on your business to provide for you just as I did. You took all the deductions available to you.
If I had MS diagnosis I would never have quit working to help my husband start a business because I had insurance through work for the rest of my family too.
You simply don't want health insurance available to all Americans because your afraid that you won't get all your healthcare needs met or have to pay more for it through Medicare. Simple as that.
Oh by the way are the Guys still talking Farsi and you have no one to talk to! Relax and find something relaxing to do and take your mind off your problems. Maybe a nap would help!
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Packing Heat wrote:
<quoted text>True except when you look at the bigger picture of it all. It is Obama's ultimate goal to bankrupt the insurance industry and move America towards a socialist or single payer healthcare system. He also found out it will be a lot harder than he thought but yet the struggle marches toward that goal that I believe will ultimately happen.

The big question is, who will pay for Obamacare when all the good jobs are gone and most of the wealth is out of reach of these liberal retards? I posted earlier that 450 had left but as it turns out I was wrong.

Seems the 450 person estimate has grown. Last year 1,700 people renounced their U.S. citizenship and Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., bitching and whining has a status update for Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin: Stop attempting to dodge your taxes by renouncing your U.S. citizenship or never come to back to the U.S. again. Chuckie Boy is such a dumbass if he thought that changed any minds.
Ha yeah. I laughed when he said that too. This country has the highest corporate tax. And the amount of regulations drives the price up of things that are made here. And people wonder why companies take jobs oversees and why everything in Walmart is made in China and we have so much unemployment
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<quoted text>Oh by the way are the Guys still talking Farsi and you have no one to talk to! Relax and find something relaxing to do and take your mind off your problems. Maybe a nap would help!
You know Tamara, what would help you, a conscious maybe?
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#22558
Jul 6, 2012
 
Heat,

Their freaking out about Jinhal's ed voucher program now! Seems that ALL religious schools can get their students vouchers. OMG Muslims can get it too! LOL

Dumb butts.

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