Disappointed with Dover

Just one question for you Mr Ketterer? Did your children ever get a chance to read what the Pres said. In otherwords, published copies of his speeche were made available before and after it was made. Did you obtain a copy to have your children read?

I am a Dover resident. Why is that JUST creationism was to be taught. How about L Ron Hubbard, VanDonigan, Habb Joseph Smith, Mohamed,Dali Lama. These are different ideas about creation. What make you think that Adam and Eve are the only ones.

Open your eyes people. We do not want Christianity taught on our tax dollar. If so, we better be able to teach every religion. Do the kids have time for that?

It is the parent responsibility to teach whatever philosophy they believe. Not the Public Schools.

Sammit wrote:

I am a Dover resident. Why is that JUST creationism was to be taught. How about L Ron Hubbard, VanDonigan, Habb Joseph Smith, Mohamed,Dali Lama. These are different ideas about creation. What make you think that Adam and Eve are the only ones.
Open your eyes people. We do not want Christianity taught on our tax dollar. If so, we better be able to teach every religion. Do the kids have time for that?
It is the parent responsibility to teach whatever philosophy they believe. Not the Public Schools.

Did you just wake up from a long hibernation? That was all settled nearly four years ago. He was talking about Obama's speech, not Intelligent Design.

George wrote:

Just one question for you Mr Ketterer? Did your children ever get a chance to read what the Pres said. In otherwords, published copies of his speeche were made available before and after it was made. Did you obtain a copy to have your children read?

Dear Sir, my children is a kindergartner and has not advanced pass reading "Pat at bat". Thank you

Mr Ketterer wrote:

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Dear Sir, my children is a kindergartner and has not advanced pass reading "Pat at bat". Thank you

I bet you they would have fun listening to anyone! Worry about your own children and not those of others!

Mr Ketterer wrote:

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Dear Sir, my children is a kindergartner and has not advanced pass reading "Pat at bat". Thank you

Hmmmmm? My children is a kindergartner?

JeffreyABrown wrote:

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Did you just wake up from a long hibernation? That was all settled nearly four years ago. He was talking about Obama's speech, not Intelligent Design.

Thank you Mr Brown! Great post!

George wrote:

<quoted text>Hmmmmm? My children is a kindergartner?

Oops. My bad. I wrote that late last night. "My child is a kindergartner". There fixed. At least, I admit my mistakes.

George wrote:

<quoted text>I bet you they would have fun listening to anyone! Worry about your own children and not those of others!

See, that is where you, and ones like you, are wrong. We are a society and we should care about all children. Please note: my child attends “public” school.

Mr Ketterer wrote:

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See, that is where you, and ones like you, are wrong. We are a society and we should care about all children. Please note: my child attends “public” school.

NO! Care but don't tell MY children what they HAVE to listen to!

George wrote:

<quoted text>NO! Care but don't tell MY children what they HAVE to listen to!

why wouldn't you want your children to hear the message from our president?

mom from etters wrote:

<quoted text> why wouldn't you want your children to hear the message from our president?

I didnt say I didnt want them to hear it! I just dont want someone else telling MY children what they have to listen to! I thought the President's speech was great!

While I certainly agree that any parent has the right (indeed duty) to protect their children from influences they consider harmful, I'm concerned that so many parents seemed to find a message from the President of the United States "harmful" to their children. That's a very troubling concept, as it suggests a division that can ONLY grow wider over time.
Dover's troubles with Intelligent Design stemmed from a handful of board members so cut off from mainstream discourse that they had no idea what evolution is or isn't (and they admitted as much in the trial that followed). In short their being "shielded" from an idea they considered dangerous, but knew nothing about, led them down a path that had dire financial consequences for the district they ostensibly represented.
The fact that so many parents nationwide wanted to "shield" their kids from a message by a president they presumably disagree with smacks a lot of the same thinking behind Intelligent Design.

JeffreyABrown wrote:

While I certainly agree that any parent has the right (indeed duty) to protect their children from influences they consider harmful, I'm concerned that so many parents seemed to find a message from the President of the United States "harmful" to their children. That's a very troubling concept, as it suggests a division that can ONLY grow wider over time.
Dover's troubles with Intelligent Design stemmed from a handful of board members so cut off from mainstream discourse that they had no idea what evolution is or isn't (and they admitted as much in the trial that followed). In short their being "shielded" from an idea they considered dangerous, but knew nothing about, led them down a path that had dire financial consequences for the district they ostensibly represented.
The fact that so many parents nationwide wanted to "shield" their kids from a message by a president they presumably disagree with smacks a lot of the same thinking behind Intelligent Design.

it really irks me as well that there was even a controversy on this matter of the presidents speech. Whether you voted for him or not; the fact is that he is the president and deserves our respect-for the position if not the man-and what are we teaching our kids here? Every kid in america should have not only heard his speech-but they should have been encouraged by their parents to pay attention to what the leader of the country they live in says.patriotism is dying . there is no pride in being an american? we're the UNITED states. we ought to start acting like it.

Dear "mom from etters": You said it a lot better than I did. Thank you.

mom from etters wrote:

<quoted text> it really irks me as well that there was even a controversy on this matter of the presidents speech. Whether you voted for him or not; the fact is that he is the president and deserves our respect-for the position if not the man-and what are we teaching our kids here? Every kid in america should have not only heard his speech-but they should have been encouraged by their parents to pay attention to what the leader of the country they live in says.patriotism is dying . there is no pride in being an american? we're the UNITED states. we ought to start acting like it.

Amen.

mom from etters wrote:

<quoted text> it really irks me as well that there was even a controversy on this matter of the presidents speech. Whether you voted for him or not; the fact is that he is the president and deserves our respect-for the position if not the man-and what are we teaching our kids here? Every kid in america should have not only heard his speech-but they should have been encouraged by their parents to pay attention to what the leader of the country they live in says.patriotism is dying . there is no pride in being an american? we're the UNITED states. we ought to start acting like it.

Double Standards exist everywhere in America today, and DOVER! That feels so wrong for me! Nobel Peace Prize winer and all. Every kid should hear a message from their president, they are all his ultimate care for! If another court case arises, charge those who create it, not everyone who may agree or NOT agree with their stance! For the money Dover carries, the intelligence lacks, and that surprises me a heck of ALOT!

JeffreyABrown wrote:

While I certainly agree that any parent has the right (indeed duty) to protect their children from influences they consider harmful, I'm concerned that so many parents seemed to find a message from the President of the United States "harmful" to their children. That's a very troubling concept, as it suggests a division that can ONLY grow wider over time.
Dover's troubles with Intelligent Design stemmed from a handful of board members so cut off from mainstream discourse that they had no idea what evolution is or isn't (and they admitted as much in the trial that followed). In short their being "shielded" from an idea they considered dangerous, but knew nothing about, led them down a path that had dire financial consequences for the district they ostensibly represented.
The fact that so many parents nationwide wanted to "shield" their kids from a message by a president they presumably disagree with smacks a lot of the same thinking behind Intelligent Design.

You are so correct, I call their thinking, "UNINTELLIGENT"

JeffreyABrown wrote:

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Did you just wake up from a long hibernation? That was all settled nearly four years ago. He was talking about Obama's speech, not Intelligent Design.

it is 2009, in this country is freedom of religion, so why would anybody think that just christianity should be taught? there are many religions-- not just christianity, yet they seem to think this is the one to promote- if you teach religion, than you should have a class that incorporates all the diverse religions- not just the one- and let the individual chose whether to "believe" and than which one- personally i am polytheistic- not monotheistic, and this is my choice, not somebody elses- i was taught christianity, and personally i found errors.

marilyn rosengrant wrote:

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it is 2009, in this country is freedom of religion, so why would anybody think that just christianity should be taught? there are many religions-- not just christianity, yet they seem to think this is the one to promote- if you teach religion, than you should have a class that incorporates all the diverse religions- not just the one- and let the individual chose whether to "believe" and than which one- personally i am polytheistic- not monotheistic, and this is my choice, not somebody elses- i was taught christianity, and personally i found errors.

Hey marilyn, like Mr Brown said, this thread has nothing to do with the intelligent design case!