10 Commandments, moral?

“If you think that it would be impossible to improve upon the Ten Commandments as a statement of morality, you really owe it to yourself to read some other scriptures. Once again, we need look no further than the Jains: Mahavira, the Jain patriarch, surpassed the morality of the Bible with a single sentence: "Do not injure, abuse, oppress, enslave, insult, torment, torture, or kill any creature or living being." Imagine how different our world might be if the Bible contained this as its central precept. Christians have abused, oppressed, enslaved, insulted, tormented, tortured, and killed people in the name of God for centuries, on the basis of a theologically defensible reading of the Bible.(23)” 

― Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation

“We read the Golden Rule and judge it to be a brilliant distillation of many of our ethical impulses. And then we come across another of God’s teachings on morality: if a man discovers on his wedding night that his bride is not a virgin, he must stone her to death on her father’s doorstep (Deuteronomy 22:13-21).” 
― Sam Harris

TheGreatRevealer wrote:

“If you think that it would be impossible to improve upon the Ten Commandments as a statement of morality, you really owe it to yourself to read some other scriptures. Once again, we need look no further than the Jains: Mahavira, the Jain patriarch, surpassed the morality of the Bible with a single sentence: "Do not injure, abuse, oppress, enslave, insult, torment, torture, or kill any creature or living being." Imagine how different our world might be if the Bible contained this as its central precept. Christians have abused, oppressed, enslaved, insulted, tormented, tortured, and killed people in the name of God for centuries, on the basis of a theologically defensible reading of the Bible.(23)” 
― Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation

Blah, blah, blah. You are insane. You should be locked up. Nobody cares about your dribble. hahahahahahaha

TheGreatRevealer wrote:

“We read the Golden Rule and judge it to be a brilliant distillation of many of our ethical impulses. And then we come across another of God’s teachings on morality: if a man discovers on his wedding night that his bride is not a virgin, he must stone her to death on her father’s doorstep (Deuteronomy 22:13-21).” 
― Sam Harris

Yada yada yada. Nobody cares. You're so boring. hahahahahaha

Why do most Christians ignore the 4th commandment? I know “the dispensation of grace” but that is an excuse not an answer. The big guy said he didn’t come to change the law.

Why is there nothing in the commandments about rape, genocide, misogyny, child abuse or slavery?

Because, the very same book giving you the commandments is also promoting the the above ideals.

Morality absolutely does not come from god or Jesus. As a matter a fact, the bible is the single worst source for morality and ethics. No wonder you people are so f'ed up!

TheGreatRevealer wrote:

Why is there nothing in the commandments about rape, genocide, misogyny, child abuse or slavery?
Because, the very same book giving you the commandments is also promoting the the above ideals.
Morality absolutely does not come from god or Jesus. As a matter a fact, the bible is the single worst source for morality and ethics. No wonder you people are so f'ed up!

Just more of your insane crap. Get help for your psychopathology. hahahahahahaha

Moderate Christians love to talk about how Jesus fixed the Old Testament, or, in other words, obsoleted the horribly offensive parts about slavery, keeping women in their place, killing gays, etc. In fact, he did no such thing.

I’ll be doing two things here:

Show you that Jesus fully supported everything in the Old Testament
Show you exactly how horrible that is.
So first, here is Jesus speaking specifically on the topic of Old Testament teachings:

The Law Stands
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”— Matthew 5:18-19
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”(Luke 16:17)
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.”(Matthew 5:17)
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law”(John7:19)
Keep in mind, this is Jesus Christ saying this–in the Bible that all Christians own and cherish. Don’t take my word for it; look it up–it’s all there.

So now that we understand that he fully supported what’s in the Old Testament, let’s take a look at what he actually just commanded us to uphold.

Blasphemy is Punishable by Death
One who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death; the whole congregation shall stone the blasphemer. Aliens as well as citizens, when they blaspheme the Name, shall be put to death.(NRSV)— Leviticus 24:16
Cheaters Must Die
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.(NIV)— Leviticus 20:10
Dishonoring Your Mother or Father is Punishable by Death
Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Such a person is guilty of a capital offense.(NLT)— Leviticus 20:9
People Who Work on Sunday Should be Killed
You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the LORD. Anyone who works on that day must be put to death.(NLT)— Exodus 35:2
If a Woman is Not a Virgin When She Gets Married, She Has to Die
“If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says,‘I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin,’… and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones …(NKJV)— Deuteronomy 22:13-14,20-21
There’s Nothing Wrong With Slavery
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.(NIV)— Leviticus 25:44
Gays Should be Put to Death
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.(NRSV)— Leviticus 20:13
Women Should Shut the Hell Up and Do as They’re Told
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.(NIV)— Timothy 2:11-12
Keep in mind, these aren’t suggestions. They’re not optional. Remember what Jesus said,“Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven…” He also said they’re not open to any personal interpretation. It’s all very clear to anyone willing to actually read their Bible.

But don’t listen to an atheist, we’re the last people you should trust. Read your own Bible. All the references are there for you. It is you who must reconcile this evil.

But luckily there’s an easy solution: Ask yourself which is more likely:

God and Jesus really are evil (which the Bible’s own text proves, if you open yours and look)
or…
It’s actually all made up, so there’s nothing to worry about.
The answer is #2. God is not evil, and neither is Jesus. Man made them up in order to control other men. Few things offer better proof of this than the actual teachings in the Bible.

TheGreatRevealer wrote:

Moderate Christians love to talk about how Jesus fixed the Old Testament, or, in other words, obsoleted the horribly offensive parts about slavery, keeping women in their place, killing gays, etc. In fact, he did no such thing.
I’ll be doing two things here:
Show you that Jesus fully supported everything in the Old Testament
Show you exactly how horrible that is.
So first, here is Jesus speaking specifically on the topic of Old Testament teachings:
The Law Stands
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”— Matthew 5:18-19
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”(Luke 16:17)
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.”(Matthew 5:17)
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law”(John7:19)
Keep in mind, this is Jesus Christ saying this–in the Bible that all Christians own and cherish. Don’t take my word for it; look it up–it’s all there.
So now that we understand that he fully supported what’s in the Old Testament, let’s take a look at what he actually just commanded us to uphold.

Yuk, yuk, yuk. Deceiver= the village idiot= has ranted again. hahahahahahahahaha

concerned wrote:

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Yuk, yuk, yuk. Deceiver= the village idiot= has ranted again. hahahahahahahahaha

Your comments are so insightful.

Concerned, if you would leave it alone, he probably would have no audience.

shuddd up!

idea for you... you like being stuck in the muck, analyzing all the details and put no faith in anything up above

There is this water problem. God didn't put it there. People did. Maybe you could help focus on all of the things people not God did, to create the mess, and how people not God can solve it.

Its in Douglasville and takes intense study and investigation, because of all of the conflicts. Your head will be spinning, but I think you can handle it. i think it might be a good project for you, and I could use the help.

And when everybody tries to blame it on God, you can set them straight.

thats a great idea,, if this dude could somehow channel all that energy towards something usefull,, hell,, he could probably cure cancer.. ok maybe not,, but you get the idea

THEGREATCORNHOLIO wrote:

thats a great idea,, if this dude could somehow channel all that energy towards something usefull,, hell,, he could probably cure cancer.. ok maybe not,, but you get the idea

Hopefully enlighten you.

POLEMICS wrote:

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Hopefully enlighten you.

Ohhhhhhhhh..........

Polemics has a crush on the revealer... doo dah.....doo dah

Pretty soon he will be the receiver.....oh the doo dah day

He loves him I'm sure
Even though he's demure

I'll bet he even gives him baths.....all the doo dah day

Actually, the OP brings up a good point about how quick the religious seem to pick out verses or, in this case, commandments to follow, but allow others to be ignored for many different reasons.
The fact is, though, that while Jesus didn't come to change the law, He did come to fulfill it. The fulfillment of the law is following it perfectly or paying the ultimate price. We are only capable to the latter because we aren't perfect. Thankfully, though, Jesus paid the price for us and died (because the wages of sin is death), so we can live in GRACE even when we continue to sin now.
So, in all honesty, the Ten Commandments are obsolete as laws for Christians today. Yes, they are great rules for life morally, but people who are living life out of love are going to choose to not do those things anyway. We're no longer bound by the law, we are free in grace. And as soon as you allow yourself to stop creating regret and guilt over things because you realize you have God's grace, you'll fully understand the freedom of Jesus.

speakcorrectly wrote:

Actually, the OP brings up a good point about how quick the religious seem to pick out verses or, in this case, commandments to follow, but allow others to be ignored for many different reasons.
The fact is, though, that while Jesus didn't come to change the law, He did come to fulfill it. The fulfillment of the law is following it perfectly or paying the ultimate price. We are only capable to the latter because we aren't perfect. Thankfully, though, Jesus paid the price for us and died (because the wages of sin is death), so we can live in GRACE even when we continue to sin now.
So, in all honesty, the Ten Commandments are obsolete as laws for Christians today. Yes, they are great rules for life morally, but people who are living life out of love are going to choose to not do those things anyway. We're no longer bound by the law, we are free in grace. And as soon as you allow yourself to stop creating regret and guilt over things because you realize you have God's grace, you'll fully understand the freedom of Jesus.

So, everything we do in life, rape, murder, abuse will all be okay in the afterlife because Jesus died for our sins?

F'n A!!! Party!!!

There's gonna be sodomy, incest, child rape, beastiality and whatever else pleases you! All you have to do is ask for forgiveness on the way out the door and youre gonna be just fine!

This is better than living a life by societies rules, do what you will!!!!!

You people are fudge sticks!!!

TheGreatRevealer wrote:

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So, everything we do in life, rape, murder, abuse will all be okay in the afterlife because Jesus died for our sins?
F'n A!!! Party!!!
There's gonna be sodomy, incest, child rape, beastiality and whatever else pleases you! All you have to do is ask for forgiveness on the way out the door and youre gonna be just fine!
This is better than living a life by societies rules, do what you will!!!!!

You stupid douchebag. Find something constructive to do. You are a scared little pissant. Nobody gives one sh*t what a crazy fool like you thinks. suck it.