Jesus is fake

No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to biblical historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.

Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness' own knowledge.

Courts of law do not generally allow hearsay as testimony, and nor does honest modern scholarship. Hearsay does not provide good evidence, and therefore, we should dismiss it.

If you do not understand this, imagine yourself confronted with a charge for a crime which you know you did not commit. You feel confident that no one can prove guilt because you know that there exists no evidence whatsoever for the charge against you. Now imagine that you stand present in a court of law that allows hearsay as evidence. When the prosecution presents its case, everyone who takes the stand against you claims that you committed the crime, not as a witness themselves, but solely because they claim other people said so. None of these other people, mind you, ever show up in court, nor can anyone find them.

Hearsay does not work as evidence because we have no way of knowing whether the person lied, or simply based his or her information on wrongful belief or bias. We know from history about witchcraft trials and kangaroo courts that hearsay provides neither reliable nor fair statements of evidence. We know that mythology can arise out of no good information whatsoever. We live in a world where many people believe in demons, UFOs, ghosts, or monsters, and an innumerable number of fantasies believed as fact taken from nothing but belief and hearsay. It derives from these reasons why hearsay cannot serves as good evidence, and the same reasoning must go against the claims of a historical Jesus or any other historical person.

Authors of ancient history today, of course, can only write from indirect observation in a time far removed from their aim. But a valid historian's own writing gets cited with sources that trace to the subject themselves, or to eyewitnesses and artifacts. For example, a historian today who writes about the life of George Washington, of course, can not serve as an eyewitness, but he can provide citations to documents which give personal or eyewitness accounts. None of the historians about Jesus give reliable sources to eyewitnesses, therefore all we have remains as hearsay.

You are a scared impotent sick psychotic sociopath.

Well,

Are you quite the scholar.Good work but sorry if you think that because you dont have written historical proof that there is not enough evidence. Well, I am here as a man with a Masters degree in both education and History to bring my proof of the existence of Jesus so here is the citation you need...Ready, ready, get ready for it:

I was there when he save a wreck like me, I was the one driving in my car and felt his Holy presence surround me and give me eteral salvation and here is the difference between you and I:

Life nor death, Height nor depth, Angels nor demons, you nor any other non beleiver can seperate me from the Love of Christ Jesus. Your theroy is not convincing simply because I put my trust and and faith (Now faith is the substance of things hoped for and the EVIDENCE of things not yet seen) The evidence is that Once I was lost but now I am found, Was blind but now I see. Thats the only evidence I need.

Attn: To concerned, Jesus wouldnt call this Scholar a sick psychotic Sociopath, he would just ask the father to forgive him because he does not know what he is doing so choose your words wisely because that is not showing this person the love that Christ showed the church.

Back to you who wrote the opriginal post, its okay that you don't believe, but I do as does 40 percent of the rest of the world. However, Its not in my interest to debate you about this because you have your own opinion, but please know that there is noway on earth you will ever convince me or anyone else that has a personal relationship with Jesus that he does not exist because he does and he lives within my heart.

You are loved by me for this post, not because I disagree, but because I share humanity with you and all in all, Human compassion is the driving force for all beliefs so here is my final statement. I assume you are a good person inspite of your claims therefore:

Its not our beliefs that makes us good people, its our behavior. In my behavior, I choose to believe and follow Jesus, as for your belief, May you see my love and that I choose not to debate you just love you for being part of the human race.

In Christ name,
A child of God and a beliver in Christ.

Forgive him Lord wrote:

Well,
Well, I am here as a man with a Masters degree in both education and History to bring my proof of the existence of Jesus so here is the citation you need...Ready, ready, get ready for it

Do you know what the word "proof" means? I think you might be due a refund on whatever you paid for your Masters degree.

And that's not Jesus that enveloped you in your car, it was Thor.

Do you accept my theory? If not, why should anyone accept yours?

When you posted this, I knew TGD would not reply.
But it's ok. He will be forgiven.

Well,

Aren't you quite the scholar. A masters degree! That's impressive! Where did you get it from? By your grammar and punctuation, I would guess either University of Phoenix or Strayer.

Saying you are educated and have a degree in no way makes your claim anymore reliable or factual and in no way gives it any evidence or weight. As a matter a fact, it makes you sound even more ignorant. You wasted time in school.

Your "encounter" with Jesus, we're you alone? Did anyone else witness Jesus appearing and speaking to you? Do have a Facebook picture with Jesus? No, to all the above. Why, because Jesus is in fact a fictional person and only resides in the minds of the lost and weak.

Proof is the common thread in all my posts. You telling me of your dillusional "encounter" with an imaginary holy zombie means nothing and sounds crazy. Where is the proof? You have none because Jesus is a fictional person.

Concerned is doing EXACTLY what Christians do. All Christians want to act like they are peace loving people, but if that's how you act, you're not being a true Jesus follower. You, being a scholar and all, should know this. A true scholar would read the entire bible as opposed to just reading what suits you.

You do not love me, you do not know me. You Christians profess love for everyone, but that is not what Jesus professed! Jesus wanted me and others like me, the "enemy" killed.

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

Luke19:27

FFinger wrote:

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And that's not Jesus that enveloped you in your car, it was Thor.

Thor? Really? That's WAY cool and there's plenty of evidence of Thor's existence. He totally rocked that Avengers movie. And did you see that part where the Hulk sucker punched him? Too funny.

But seriously, we both know it wasn't Thor. Clearly not his style. Gotta be the Flying Spaghetti Monster, may His Noodly Appendage touch you.

RAMEN!!!!

You're right, I can't seperate you from your mental illness and belief in imaginary friends, that takes therapy and medication.

What is a personal relationship with Jesus?

You're "strength in numbers" argument is a flawed one.

1. Christians are not 40% of the world population, Hinduism and Buddhism account for 60+% of the world's believers (apprx. 4.1 billion people). Christianity accounts for only 20-21%.(apprx. 1.5 billion people)

2. Those 1.5 billion "Christians" are divided into 38,000 different sects, with no uniformity between them and everyone of them believing what they choose to believe. You are a very divided religion and set of beliefs. 2 baptist churches within the same city, on the same street cannot agree on the word of Hey-Zues, I wonder why?

So, trying to say that you are right based on numbers alone is a terrible argument, because, technically you are all divided into 38,000 sects!

Christianity and human compassion? Religion is anti-humanity.

Hitler, who wanted to be a catholic priest, killed MILLIONS of Jews based on his beliefs and his interpretation of the word of an imaginary tyrant, Yahweh.

Stalin, who was raised as a Christian, killed millions more.

And the list goes on and on.

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Biblical/Pentateuch Intolerance:

    I see so many religionists rant and rave about how Atheists are “not tolerant of believers and have no respect for their faith”. To non believers this claim is absurd. For intolerance of various religions is the foundation of Judaism, Christianity, Muslim and many other orthodox communities. Matter of fact, the Bible and Pentateuch commands religious intolerance in MANY verses, even to the point of KILLING people for their beliefs. Here then, are a few choice verses that show just how intolerant these religionists are of other believers and nonbelievers. We shall start with the two verses that helped to inflict one of the biggest mass murders in history, the Inquisition.
Woman with “familiar spirits” must be stoned to death. Leviticus 20:27
“Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” Exodus 22:18
 
Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own.  Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own.  Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11
Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5
 
Ignorance is bliss.  Christians should not practice free inquiry nor socialize with non Christians:

Don’t associate with non-Christians.  Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them.  2 John 1:10
Shun those who disagree with your religious views.  Romans 16:17
Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8
 
Judge other religions for not following Christ:

Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22
Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19
The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7
Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12
False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9
 
Here are my two personal favorites:

Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10
A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33
 

Wayfollower, explain the above post. Those verses from the bible are pretty clear instructions on how to treat others. Do you, with your special insight and knowledge, not read the same English I do? Are the words different for you, like I see the word "dog" but you see it spelled "c a t"?(reference to ogre from revenge of the nerds)

Did your bible come with a secret decoder ring? Mine didn't, I must have gotten ripped off!

Wait, if the bible is the perfect word of god and contains the rules we should live by, an owners manual if you will, why did I have to pay for it? Why aren't we issued one along with our first diaper? Why does mine say things in one form of a language and yours another? What makes your bible better than mine?

I know, religion would have gotten away with if wasn't for these meddling atheists!

TheGreatDeceiver wrote:

No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to biblical historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.

Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness' own knowledge.

Courts of law do not generally allow hearsay as testimony, and nor does honest modern scholarship. Hearsay does not provide good evidence, and therefore, we should dismiss it.

If you do not understand this, imagine yourself confronted with a charge for a crime which you know you did not commit. You feel confident that no one can prove guilt because you know that there exists no evidence whatsoever for the charge against you. Now imagine that you stand present in a court of law that allows hearsay as evidence. When the prosecution presents its case, everyone who takes the stand against you claims that you committed the crime, not as a witness themselves, but solely because they claim other people said so. None of these other people, mind you, ever show up in court, nor can anyone find them.

Hearsay does not work as evidence because we have no way of knowing whether the person lied, or simply based his or her information on wrongful belief or bias. We know from history about witchcraft trials and kangaroo courts that hearsay provides neither reliable nor fair statements of evidence. We know that mythology can arise out of no good information whatsoever. We live in a world where many people believe in demons, UFOs, ghosts, or monsters, and an innumerable number of fantasies believed as fact taken from nothing but belief and hearsay. It derives from these reasons why hearsay cannot serves as good evidence, and the same reasoning must go against the claims of a historical Jesus or any other historical person.

Authors of ancient history today, of course, can only write from indirect observation in a time far removed from their aim. But a valid historian's own writing gets cited with sources that trace to the subject themselves, or to eyewitnesses and artifacts. For example, a historian today who writes about the life of George Washington, of course, can not serve as an eyewitness, but he can provide citations to documents which give personal or eyewitness accounts. None of the historians about Jesus give reliable sources to eyewitnesses, therefore all we have remains as hearsay.

Well that's kind of the point. People are supposed to believe no matter what proof or lack thereof there is to the contrary. The idea is that you believe the Bible. It's that whole "faith" thing. Believe it or don't, but allow people to have their beliefs without constantly insulting their intelligence. Does that make you feel smarter?

Also Thor was awesome but the Hulk stole the show.

no wrote:

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Well that's kind of the point. People are supposed to believe no matter what proof or lack thereof there is to the contrary.

Just read that back to yourself. Does it sound sensible or rational?

Why on earth should you believe something when there is proof of the contrary? Because some nomadic desert tribe who thought killing animals would please an imaginary god said so?

But, I do see your other point. If religion didn't try and take over every aspect of our lives then I doubt anyone would have an issue with it.

But instead we have people praying on the DC courthouse steps and saying how fantastic it is that our leaders love Jesus.. you have judges there praying "for the Govt"

We have people trying to teach religious dogma as science and trying to reduce real science because it contradicts their magic book.

It's socially acceptable mental illness.

FFinger wrote:

<quoted text>Just read that back to yourself. Does it sound sensible or rational?

Why on earth should you believe something when there is proof of the contrary? Because some nomadic desert tribe who thought killing animals would please an imaginary god said so?

But, I do see your other point. If religion didn't try and take over every aspect of our lives then I doubt anyone would have an issue with it.

But instead we have people praying on the DC courthouse steps and saying how fantastic it is that our leaders love Jesus.. you have judges there praying "for the Govt"

We have people trying to teach religious dogma as science and trying to reduce real science because it contradicts their magic book.

It's socially acceptable mental illness.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, I'm just saying there is no need to insult the intelligence of the people who do believe. The reason is that it won't matter. That's what they believe and you can't change that no matter how many times you call God a flying spaghetti monster.

no wrote:

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I'm not saying I disagree with you, I'm just saying there is no need to insult the intelligence of the people who do believe. The reason is that it won't matter. That's what they believe and you can't change that no matter how many times you call God a flying spaghetti monster.

There is no intelligence to attack, they gave that up when they decided that facts, evidence and proof are unnecessary and decided to believe the BS written in the bible.
They forfeited intelligence and rational thinking.

^I'm w/ this guy. Why not question and discover rather than be told something and you believe and end up following.

Ben L wrote:

^I'm w/ this guy. Why not question and discover rather than be told something and you believe and end up following.

Blow him then. Fool

TheGreatDeceiver wrote:

<quoted text>There is no intelligence to attack, they gave that up when they decided that facts, evidence and proof are unnecessary and decided to believe the BS written in the bible.
They forfeited intelligence and rational thinking.

Your rigidity makes you no better than them.

All I do is win!!!!

concerned wrote:

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Blow him then. Fool

What are you, a second grader? Sounds like you know a lot about blowing, are you catholic?