Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Jan 12

Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

#154387 Aug 12, 2012
It's over. Romney's dreams of being president was killed on August 11, 2012 when he selected Paul Ryan as his vp. It's over homophobes. You there is no way you can stop change.
Dude

Newark, DE

#154388 Aug 12, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
And you of course define "the hard religious right" as churches who do not support homosexuality. You reject these churches for no other reason.
Nice magic trick, pulling "facts" mysteriously out of your ass like that. Is that how drag queens, back in the day, entertained their guests at parties and you picked it up along your "travels"? Anyway, I don't reject all these churches. Some of them consist of nice people that suffer under cognitive dissonance, but that doesn't change the fact that most of these people take the Bible literally and actually believe that the Earth is 5,000 years old and that a shabby-looking, white guy made the Universe only so he could focus on one blue pebble which houses one, unremarkable species. That belief system, to anyone who breaks it down with logic, is hilarious and thus a joke. The hilarity just builds up as you watch these people work from their off-base conclusions. Hard-line Christianity, for anyone that appreciates comedic irony, is the heavyweight champ of running gags.
Prof Marvel wrote:
Therefore, since there is no traditional religion we know of that can condone homosexuality without rejecting its core values, homosexuality and religion (traditional) cannot co-exist.
Did the chia pet seeds, that line your head, finally root themselves through your cerebral cortex? Homosexuality doesn't have any core values, Mr. Baggins. It's not like these people pray to San Fran five times a day. It's not like they send in their applications to their local A&F, and then get back a membership card, meeting times, and instructions on how to do the super-de-duper secret, gay handshake. It's either you like d*ck or not. It's either you like sn*tch or not. It's neutral. The fact that you think it isn't shows me that all that foil in your head isn't just for managing those nasty highlights of yours. Also, "traditional"? What does that even mean? A lot of different religions are okay with gay people. The only hold-outs are some forms of Christianity, Islam, and Scientology. They’ll be irrelevant soon enough. There’s only so long these people can cling to how gay people are werewolves and how Jesus hid dinosaur bones in the dirt to test people’s faith.

“The Great and Wonderful Marvel”

Level 4

Since: Aug 09

Atlanta, GA

#154389 Aug 12, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice magic trick, pulling "facts" mysteriously out of your ass like that. Is that how drag queens, back in the day, entertained their guests at parties and you picked it up along your "travels"? Anyway, I don't reject all these churches. Some of them consist of nice people that suffer under cognitive dissonance, but that doesn't change the fact that most of these people take the Bible literally and actually believe that the Earth is 5,000 years old and that a shabby-looking, white guy made the Universe only so he could focus on one blue pebble which houses one, unremarkable species. That belief system, to anyone who breaks it down with logic, is hilarious and thus a joke. The hilarity just builds up as you watch these people work from their off-base conclusions. Hard-line Christianity, for anyone that appreciates comedic irony, is the heavyweight champ of running gags.
One of the core values of every major religion we know of is that homosexuality is an abomination before God. You keep identifying this precept as that of only "hard-line" religion, but that's deception on your part.

I won't bother to present the tens of admonitions against homosexuality from both the Bible.

You need to stop misleading everyone and admit that homosexuality and the Bible cannot co-exist.
Did the chia pet seeds, that line your head, finally root themselves through your cerebral cortex? Homosexuality doesn't have any core values, Mr. Baggins. It's not like these people pray to San Fran five times a day. It's not like they send in their applications to their local A&F, and then get back a membership card, meeting times, and instructions on how to do the super-de-duper secret, gay handshake. It's either you like d*ck or not. It's either you like sn*tch or not. It's neutral. The fact that you think it isn't shows me that all that foil in your head isn't just for managing those nasty highlights of yours. Also, "traditional"? What does that even mean? A lot of different religions are okay with gay people. The only hold-outs are some forms of Christianity, Islam, and Scientology. They’ll be irrelevant soon enough. There’s only so long these people can cling to how gay people are werewolves and how Jesus hid dinosaur bones in the dirt to test people’s faith.
Once again the Bible expressly prohibits homosexuality, so unless you're talking about a church or denomination that doesn't follow the Bible you're engaging in disinformation.

==========

ASV:(American Standard Version, 1901) "And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Darby:(J.N. Darby Translation, 1890): "And if a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them."

ESV:(English Standard Version): "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

HNV:(Hebrew Names Version): "If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

KJV:(King James Version): "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

Etc., etc., etc.
Mona Lott

Brooklyn, NY

#154390 Aug 12, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
One of the core values of every major religion we know of is that homosexuality is an abomination before God. You keep identifying this precept as that of only "hard-line" religion, but that's deception on your part.
WRONG! Geez, pal. Do some research BEFORE you post stupid shit.

One of the top ten "rules" is thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. So which is it? Are you a liar, or merely stupid?

Besides, religion is irrelevant to this discussion. Prop 8 goes down in flames in a few months and you are powerless to stop it.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#154391 Aug 12, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
One of the core values of every major religion we know of is that homosexuality is an abomination before God. You keep identifying this precept as that of only "hard-line" religion, but that's deception on your part.
..........
Yes, yes, Christians all follow Leviticus to the letter, and that women should keep to the home and not place themselves on the same level with men, we know.

But our Constitution protects us from being forced to live under the irrational religious interpretations of others.

Thank God.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#154392 Aug 12, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
And you've always stated how you don't hate Gays and Lesbians......then you make this comment!!!
By the way....IT AIN'T NEVER GONNA HAPPEN......especially after the ruling in Lawrence vs Texas!!!
Not only don't I hate gays, I've always written there is nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality.

This comment:
"We criminalized bigamy to stop polygamy; maybe we should criminalize same sex marriage."

I don't see how we have any other choice after an unelected judge voided the law and the will of the people of California. BTW, same sex marriage isn't the same as sodomy.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#154393 Aug 12, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
And you of course define "the hard religious right" as churches who do not support homosexuality. You reject these churches for no other reason.
Therefore, since there is no traditional religion we know of that can condone homosexuality without rejecting its core values, homosexuality and religion (traditional) cannot co-exist.
Do you at least agree with this?
That makes about as much sense as "not supporting" brown hair, small noses, and anyone taller than 6 feet.

There is no "core value" with regards to any natural and God-given traits, like height, skin color or sexual orientation. You can pretend otherwise, and make up silly religious cannon to defend your silliness, but that doesn't make it any less silly.

And it is the job of the government to make sue that nut-cases who believe differently aren't allowed to harm other tax-paying citizens for something that is natural, and doesn't affect anyone who does not share the trait.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#154394 Aug 12, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
By their relentless propaganda the LGBT is teaching American youth religion is not needed -- that it's outdated and old-fashioned.
Cossack the country millions of children are growing up with the same contempt for religion the LGBT community has.
No good can come of this.
This is why young men grow up thinking there's nothing wrong with marching down Broadway in a penis suit and erect penis hat.
This is why they grow up thinking bathhouse orgies are are a good thing.
Religion didn't teach them that; the LGBT did.
Again it's only gay MEN that scare you. And you reach for the most unlikely stereotypes to "prove" your points.

Why do that?

You know it's absurd.

For the one gay man dressed like a fool in a single parade, there are ten women flashing bare breasts at mardi gras, and a million women sporting string bikinis and thongs in public.

And I suspect the percentage of gay men who frequent "bath houses" is similar to the percentage of swinging straight married couples.

If you can't make a logical point, why bother? Is your odd obsession will all things gay so overpowering that ANY attention is seen as good attention?
Mona Lott

Brooklyn, NY

#154395 Aug 12, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Not only don't I hate gays, I've always written there is nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality.
This comment:
"We criminalized bigamy to stop polygamy; maybe we should criminalize same sex marriage."
I don't see how we have any other choice after an unelected judge voided the law and the will of the people of California. BTW, same sex marriage isn't the same as sodomy.
Oh sweet baby jesus! Do you even understand the concept of "judicial review," Brian?
Reality

Madison, WI

#154396 Aug 12, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
One of the core values of every major religion we know of is that homosexuality is an abomination before God. You keep identifying this precept as that of only "hard-line" religion, but that's deception on your part.
I won't bother to present the tens of admonitions against homosexuality from both the Bible.
You need to stop misleading everyone and admit that homosexuality and the Bible cannot co-exist.
<quoted text>
Once again the Bible expressly prohibits homosexuality, so unless you're talking about a church or denomination that doesn't follow the Bible you're engaging in disinformation.
==========
ASV:(American Standard Version, 1901) "And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Darby:(J.N. Darby Translation, 1890): "And if a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them."
ESV:(English Standard Version): "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."
HNV:(Hebrew Names Version): "If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
KJV:(King James Version): "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
Etc., etc., etc.
I do hope that when SCOTUS hears the case on DOMA, the defense attorneys use the Bible as lawful standing.
Reality

Madison, WI

#154397 Aug 12, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Not only don't I hate gays, I've always written there is nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality.
This comment:
"We criminalized bigamy to stop polygamy; maybe we should criminalize same sex marriage."
I don't see how we have any other choice after an unelected judge voided the law and the will of the people of California. BTW, same sex marriage isn't the same as sodomy.
Gosh that makes me happy. Its good to know that you don't consider homosexuality a sin.

“The Great and Wonderful Marvel”

Level 4

Since: Aug 09

Atlanta, GA

#154398 Aug 12, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG! Geez, pal. Do some research BEFORE you post stupid shit.
One of the top ten "rules" is thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. So which is it? Are you a liar, or merely stupid?
Besides, religion is irrelevant to this discussion. Prop 8 goes down in flames in a few months and you are powerless to stop it.
The discussion continues to evolve, which you of course don't like because defending same-sex marriage and all its ramifications is like the little Dutch Boy at the dikes (no pun) trying to plug all the leaks.

Also, homosexuality is absolutely prohibited in the Bible as I've shown and as anyone with a brain knows.

In other words, a child who elects to become an homosexual must by extension become an atheist. This explains the penis suits and phallic symbols we see during your gay "pride" parades. These symbols have nothing to do with pride and everything to do with sex cultism.

Which is what you are -- a garden variety sex cult.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#154399 Aug 12, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
.......
Also, homosexuality is absolutely prohibited in the Bible as I've shown and as anyone with a brain knows.
......


Show us ANY place in the bible that discusses attraction to only the same gender - i.e. homosexuality.

Not sex.

Not rape.

Just the orientation.

Good luck with that.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#154400 Aug 12, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
........
In other words, a child who elects to become an homosexual must by extension become an atheist......
LOL.

You get stranger and stranger.

How do you even begin to explain that one? One ANY level?
Reality

Madison, WI

#154401 Aug 12, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
The discussion continues to evolve, which you of course don't like because defending same-sex marriage and all its ramifications is like the little Dutch Boy at the dikes (no pun) trying to plug all the leaks.
Also, homosexuality is absolutely prohibited in the Bible as I've shown and as anyone with a brain knows.
In other words, a child who elects to become an homosexual must by extension become an atheist. This explains the penis suits and phallic symbols we see during your gay "pride" parades. These symbols have nothing to do with pride and everything to do with sex cultism.
Which is what you are -- a garden variety sex cult.
Why do you hate Jesus? When you get a BJ by the fellow across the street, you make the baby jesus cry.

THE EIGHT I'D REALLY RATHER YOU DIDN'TS

I'd Really Rather You Didn't Act Like A Sanctimonious Holier-Than-Thou Ass When Describing My Noodly Goodness. If Some People Don't Believe In Me, That's Okay. Really, I'm Not That Vain. Besides, This Isn't About Them So Don't Change The Subject.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Use My Existence As A Means To Oppress, Subjigate, Punish, Eviscerate, And/Or, You Know, Be Mean To Others. I Dont Require Sacrifices, And Purity Is For Drinking Water, Not People.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Judge People For The Way They Look, Or How They Dress, Or The Way They Talk, Or, Well, Just Play Nice, Okay? Oh, And Get This Through You Thick Heads: Woman=Person, Man=Person. Samey-Samey. One is Not Better Than The Other, Unless We're Talking About Fashion And I'm Sorry, But I Gave That To Women And Some Guys Who Know The Difference Between Teal And Fuchsia.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Indulge In Conduct That Offends Yourself, Or Your Willing, Consenting Partner Of Legal Age AND Mental Maturity. As For Anyone Who Might Object, I Think The Expression Is Go F*** Yourself, Unless They Find That Offensive In Which Case They Can Turn Off The TV For Once And Go For A Walk For A Change.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Challenge The Bigoted, Misogynist, Hateful Ideas Of Others On An Empty Stomach. Eat, Then Go After The B*******.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Build MultiMillion-Dollar Churches/Temples/Mosques/ Shrines To My Noodly Goodness When The Money Could Be Better Spent (Take Your Pick): A. Ending Poverty B. Curing Diseases C. Living In Peace, Loving With Passion, And Lowering The Cost Of Cable. I Might Be A Complex Carbohydrate Omniscient Being, But I Enjoy The Simple Things In Life. I Ought To Know. I AM The Creator.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Go around Telling People I Talk To you. You're Not That Interesting. Get Over Yourself. And I Told You To Love Your Fellow Man, Can't You Take A Hint?
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You If You Are Into, Um, Stuff That Uses Alot Of Leather/Lubrication/Las Vegas. If The Other Person Is Into It However (Pursuant To #4), Then Have At It, Take Pictures, And For The Love Of Mike, Wear A CONDOM! Honestly It's A Piece Of Rubber, If I Didn't Want It To Feel Good When You Did It I Would Have Added Spikes, Or Something.
In the name of His Noodly Goodness, RAmen.
Winston Smith

Ravena, NY

#154402 Aug 12, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
He said he was drag queen but I later found out he was a lesbian in drug with identity issues.
Gary, this sounds like more of your bullshit. If you want a dialogue with me you'll need to lay off the crap. Honest answers only snookums.
Winston Smith

Ravena, NY

#154403 Aug 12, 2012
Troy wrote:
<quoted text>
Winston! Have you yet engaged in a threesome with your nephew and his partner?? Let us all on this thread know when you do!
If you're turned on by that sort of thing google is your friend. Or you could just contact Gary by e-mail as I'm certain he's got a good stash of gay porn.

“The Great and Wonderful Marvel”

Level 4

Since: Aug 09

Atlanta, GA

#154404 Aug 12, 2012
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Again it's only gay MEN that scare you. And you reach for the most unlikely stereotypes to "prove" your points.
Why do that?
You know it's absurd.
For the one gay man dressed like a fool in a single parade, there are ten women flashing bare breasts at mardi gras, and a million women sporting string bikinis and thongs in public.
And I suspect the percentage of gay men who frequent "bath houses" is similar to the percentage of swinging straight married couples.
If you can't make a logical point, why bother? Is your odd obsession will all things gay so overpowering that ANY attention is seen as good attention?
Once again, Reality, you distort the truth and manufacture facts that don't exist.

First of all, it's not merely "one" person who wears a penis suit during your gay "pride" parades. It's the fact that the entire parade is a public exhibition of hedonism and sexual degradation.

That's what gay "parades" have evolved into. You certainly know this. You've certainly read the anguished essays by tens of deeply concerned gays outraged at this depressing and repulsive outcome, yet you dishonestly characterize these now universality despised parades as squeaky clean weren't if for the one or two people who show up in penis suits.

How about six people in penis suits marching in formation? How about a giant penis float shooting confetti from its head? How about half-naked go-go boys being led down the street on dog leashes by the "tops"?

Gay pride parades stopped having anything to do with pride in the 70s. You know this, and if you don't, everyone in this forum does.

The next lie you promote is that drunk women along the sidelines at Madi Gras flashing their breasts are part of the parade. You know this is a damnable lie. You know in the history of the Madi Gras this kind of thing was never allowed, yet in your dishonest efforts to mitigate the human degradation seen in your parades, you want us to believe Madi Gras is a platform for the same phallic-worshiping, masochism, sadism, strap-on wearing lesbians and bestiality seen in yours. You want us to believe "Straights do it too!"

And your lying doesn't stop there ...

To defend bathhouses you promote the lie that "swing clubs" are the straight answer to bath houses, that all straights swap their wives and engage in orgies at these clubs, and that because of this we have no right criticizing bath houses.

Honestly, Reality, you're lying is boundless, isn't it?

At their height of popularity in the late-70s, swing clubs were so statistically minuscule they had no impact on the general population whatsoever. There was never more than two or three anyone ever heard of and these were either in New York or California. This was not a national phenomenon as you so dishonestly imply. They were not a "rite of passage" as your bathhouses were.

And such is the sum total of your defense of the LGBT agenda, Reality -- lie stacked on lie, stacked on lie.

When are you going to learn how to discuss gay issues without lying about them?

“I call it as I see it.”

Level 8

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#154405 Aug 12, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, we are aware of the 9th's turnover ratio by SCOTUS......but that's because it is the LARGEST Appeals Court in the Nation........Prop 8 will not be included in that number for many reasons, first and foremost......a right existed, then eliminated without any compelling state interest......but let's wait and see okay?
That might be a good explanation if I only quoted a raw quantity of overturned decisions, but that is not what I stated. I stated a percentage of cases being overturned. beibg that I am only considering percentages, the quantity of cases is totally immaterial. Whether it is is 7 of 9 cases or 76 out of 100 cases, over 75% is a very high overturn rate on appealed cases. The Supreme Court has also not yet stated that it would not hear the California case.

“The Great and Wonderful Marvel”

Level 4

Since: Aug 09

Atlanta, GA

#154406 Aug 12, 2012
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, yes, Christians all follow Leviticus to the letter, and that women should keep to the home and not place themselves on the same level with men, we know.
But our Constitution protects us from being forced to live under the irrational religious interpretations of others.
Thank God.
At last!

A homosexual who admits homosexuality and religion cannot co-exist.

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