Local: Family in life support struggle

Amazed wrote:

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Assuming you are speaking of a written instrument it should be self evident that the point of disclosure is more or less left up to the person who drafted the document and how they choose to deal with the document.
If they left it with an attorney the responsibility would lie with the attorney. If they locked it in their safety deposit box and didn't discuss it with anyone it might never be disclosed until after death.
If you are speaking about oral declarations then it falls to the person who was party to the conversation and their understanding.
We know how much people of your mentality love absolutes, extremism or hard and fast rules. We also know how judgmental you are and that dealing in absolutes and extremes makes it easier for you to make negative judgments.
Thats why society relies on its courts to examine and resolve disputes.
The court provides an unbiased, dispassionate, environment of fact finding, reasoning, logic and truth seeking. The courts publish rules and procedures.
If anything was left up to you to decide the result would be anarchy as you flip flopped back and forth, changed the rules and procedures to suit you or applied your radical, impulsive, overly emotional, hate filled, crazy and reactionary POV to every decision.

A missive lighter than air.

kadamson wrote:

<quoted text>Or if the person communicated their wish to a spouse who chose not to disclose the information for 2.5 years after 1.3 years of aggressive therapies, it might be the same as a safety deposit box.

kadamson

What about Bob Schindler Sr "the Liar" about all the false allegation he has made against Michael Schiavo?

If we're going to talk about which is the "greater liar" lets start making two lists of documented evidence and proof to compare, one for Schindlers and the other for Michael Schiavo.

This will enable us to award the honor of the greatest "LIAR." You start it off.

Walter In FL wrote:

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kadamson
What about Bob Schindler Sr "the Liar" about all the false allegation he has made against Michael Schiavo?
If we're going to talk about which is the "greater liar" lets start making two lists of documented evidence and proof to compare, one for Schindlers and the other for Michael Schiavo.
This will enable us to award the honor of the greatest "LIAR." You start it off.

Have not seen Bob Schindler say anything about Michael Schiavo.

The question is does a person live according to the values to which he holds others.

kadamson wrote:

<quoted text>Have not seen Bob Schindler say anything about Michael Schiavo.
The question is does a person live according to the values to which he holds others.

Now, you're working for the greater "LIAR" honors.
Most of your statements made in your posts are the results of Bob Schindler's lies better referred to as "The Schindlers' Script."

kadamson
You have a long “learning curve” to catch up on.

Walter In FL wrote:

kadamson
You have a long “learning curve” to catch up on.

Enlighten me, Walter. List the lies.

You're on a roll, you start your list off.

Remember:
The list must be documented and vertifyible with sources listed (URLs).

Walter In FL wrote:

You're on a roll, you start your list off.

My list of what??? You are the one who alleges the Schindlers lie about Michael Schiavo. Shouldn't be too hard for you to name one or two.

kadamson wrote:

<quoted text>Enlighten me, Walter. List the lies.

Shoot, I've already done that on one of these threads a few days ago. You didn't see it?

kadamson wrote:

<quoted text>Have not seen Bob Schindler say anything about Michael Schiavo.
The question is does a person live according to the values to which he holds others.

Such a good little bot.

Blind to the lies and nasty shit the schindler's said over the years.

Peppermint Patti wrote:

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Shoot, I've already done that on one of these threads a few days ago. You didn't see it?

Did not. If you will repost, I would appreciate it. Walter seems unable to articulate specifics.

Unreal wrote:

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Such a good little bot.
Blind to the lies and nasty shit the schindler's said over the years.

The statement made was that the Schindlers repeated lies about Michael Schiavo. Thus far, they have yet to be stated. If you have one, please reveal it.

kadamson wrote:

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Did not. If you will repost, I would appreciate it. Walter seems unable to articulate specifics.

kadamson

Why should I or anyone repeat posts that you don't take the time to read?

That is why you're so ignorant about the subject, you use only one source for information and that source is not proof, documented evidence and/or under oath.

You're the ignorant fool that believes in one source of hearsay information which you intent to twist and spin into a negative.

I not a fool to waste my time with your innuendo, conjecture, aspersions, and speculation, allegations, most of all your psychobabble and ignorance of the subject.

My Theory of the Terri Schiavo Tragedy
I believe Bob Schindler”s motivation from the beginning to this day has been Bob and Mary Schindler’s need of money for their livelihood and retirement. Bob Schindler’s focus was on“$$$ MONEY $$$“, NOT TERRI.

Both Bob and Mary Schindler knew the true non-recoverable condition of Terri and saw an opportunity with Terri’s trust fund. The Bob and Mary were surprised when they learned they were not going to receive any of the Med-Mal reward money. Which was their first opportunity missed. Then the attempt to get control of Terri’s guardianship from Michael by vilifying him and challenged him in court was their second opportunity missed. But they lost all their attempts in the court. They continued the character assassination of Michael with slanderous and libelous statements to the media and public for public pressure to stress Michael into surrendering the guardianship to them, third opportunity missed. The illegal sale of the videos of Terri was their fourth opportunity missed. Requesting donations for their legal expenses which were being paid by other foundations, they still request donations today, their fifth opportunity.

If and when they had gained control of the guardianship plus the control of the trust fund, and after a reasonable period of time they would come to a “revelation” that there really wasn’t any hope for Terri and have the tube (PEG) removed themselves. The trust fund would be theirs.
Can anyone explain why the Schindlers attempted to present a false display of Terri Schiavo condition with their highly edited 4-minutes of staged videos out of 4-hour of videos made by them? That was the Schindlers’ biggest distortion of the truth to the world. It worked with the media and public but not in the courts. That alone shows their intention were to falsify Terri true condition. That also proves the Schindlers knew the TRUE condition of Terri Schiavo for them to even to create the video falsehoods.
Under the leadership of Randall “Bullhorn” Terry, which was paid $10,000 for his services by the Schindlers, rallied the RTL and RR staged protests in front of Terri’s hospice and several other locations. The Schindlers requested donations to pay for their legal expense which was already being paid by other foundations. All four of the Schindlers" livelihoods are now being provided by those donations of millions of dollars, which they’re still requesting donations to their Terri Schindler Foundation and to which they’re all employed and have no other sources income.

The Schindlers’ distortion of procedures to vilify and make it appear that Michael controlled the events. The Schindler rhetoric and propaganda especially what the Anti-Choice is shoveling is a perfect example to this day.
The one thing a lot of people don't understand. Once Michael Schiavo turned it over to the court it was out of his hands and control.
The court proceeded to hear witnesses on both sides of the issue and viewing the evidence then made a ruling in response to what was proven to represent Terri's "wishes." It was proven in court that Terri had a virtual “Living Will.” Judge Greer made the ruling and nether Michael or the Schindlers could change it.
It was a court order to remove the PEG (ANH). After the court (Greer) made the ruling it made no difference whom had control of Terri’s guardianship they would have to honor and obey the court order.
Terri Schiavo’s Virtual “Living Will”

Terri’s self-determination is that her dying not be artificially prolonged under the circumstances set forth as Terri declared that, if at any time she is mentally or physically incapacitated and by any or all of the following: terminal condition, end-stage condition, persistent or vegetative state, and it is determined that there is no reasonable medical probability of her recovery from such condition, Terri directed that life-prolonging procedures be withheld or withdrawn when the application of such procedures would serve only to prolong artificially the process of dying, and that she be permitted to die naturally with only the administration of medication or the performance of any medical procedure deemed necessary to provide her with comfort care or to alleviate pain.

It was about Terri's Schiavo's Self-Determination.

Walter In FL wrote:

The Schindlers’ distortion of procedures to vilify and make it appear that Michael controlled the events. The Schindler rhetoric and propaganda especially what the Anti-Choice is shoveling is a perfect example to this day.
The one thing a lot of people don't understand. Once Michael Schiavo turned it over to the court it was out of his hands and control.
The court proceeded to hear witnesses on both sides of the issue and viewing the evidence then made a ruling in response to what was proven to represent Terri's "wishes." It was proven in court that Terri had a virtual “Living Will.” Judge Greer made the ruling and nether Michael or the Schindlers could change it.
It was a court order to remove the PEG (ANH). After the court (Greer) made the ruling it made no difference whom had control of Terri’s guardianship they would have to honor and obey the court order.
Terri Schiavo’s Virtual “Living Will”
Terri’s self-determination is that her dying not be artificially prolonged under the circumstances set forth as Terri declared that, if at any time she is mentally or physically incapacitated and by any or all of the following: terminal condition, end-stage condition, persistent or vegetative state, and it is determined that there is no reasonable medical probability of her recovery from such condition, Terri directed that life-prolonging procedures be withheld or withdrawn when the application of such procedures would serve only to prolong artificially the process of dying, and that she be permitted to die naturally with only the administration of medication or the performance of any medical procedure deemed necessary to provide her with comfort care or to alleviate pain.
It was about Terri's Schiavo's Self-Determination.

Walter, 3 drinks and you get post happy with your little copy and paste function. The inebriation also results with much rambling. You need salvation Walter. Not that God can keep you from rambling but He can heal the trouble in your soul.

kadamson

You post your repeated phrases and I'll post my reply.

Get over it or YOU prove me wrong.

kadamson wrote:

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Did not. If you will repost, I would appreciate it. Walter seems unable to articulate specifics.

No problem :-)

http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/200...

Lies Terri Schiavo's parents told me

1. Terri is conscious ... Court-appointed, government-appointed, and private physicians have confirmed that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). Schiavo suffered massive brain damage 15 years ago and ongoing neurological degeneration.
2. There are new treatments that might help Terri ... Despite what Terri's parents say, there are no new treatments that could help their daughter. Anyone who claims that he can improve Terri's level of consciousness is a quack. You can't treat a brain that isn't there.
3. Terri's collapse is unexplained and/or suspicious ... In an attempt to discredit Michael Schiavo, Terri's parents and their supporters are circulating unsubstantiated rumors of abuse and even accusations of attempted murder.
4. Michael Schiavo abused Terri ... There is no evidence that anyone abused Terri. A judge ruled the abuse allegation irrelevant years ago, but Terri's "supporters" are determined to keep meme alive just to destroy Michael Schiavo's reputation.
5. Terri's brain damage was caused by a closed head injury
6. Michael Schiavo just wants to inherit Terri's fortune ... What fortune? Even the pro-tube Terri Schiavo Foundation reports that of the nearly one million dollar malpractice settlement earmarked for Terri's future medical care, less than $50,000 is left.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0603/2...

7. BOBBY SCHINDLER, TERRI SCHIAVO`S BROTHER: There`s a reason Michael and his attorney are doing everything they can to keep Terri hidden from the public. Terri could be sitting here right now. She could be on the House floor during this debate.
8. ROBERT SCHIAVO: ROBERT SCHIAVO: Well, it was tragic, is that -- right next to Terri`s bed, there was a vase with water. And we had -- they had a SWAT team member in the room at all times, so we couldn`t go near Terri, for fear that we would be, you know, giving her water. So she was closely guarded. They had police outside of her door. And...
GRACE: So you couldn`t give her water.
ROBERT SCHIAVO: So we couldn`t get near her.
9. MARY SCHIAVO: She was very active during those two weeks until the -- you know,(INAUDIBLE) she got closer, but the first week, she tried so hard to talk and to communicate, just like she used to.... of interest as Mary was not there the last week of Terri's life.
10. BOBBY SCHINDLER: The money came in, and it all stopped. In 1991, it is medically documented that that was the last time Terri had any rehabilitation or therapy.
11. GRACE: You know, that`s very interesting. Isn`t it true, Mary, that there was a 1991 bone scan that showed injury to one of her bones?
MARY SCHINDLER: Yes, she had a broken femur.
GRACE:... and then, by the time the autopsy was done, just last year, it was there -- It was not there.
GUPTA: And I don`t want -- the family obviously knows better than I, but I`m just going on what I have here, Nancy. The bone scan showed that she had some areas of what`s called hyper-ostosis (ph), which is basically just overgrowth of bone in certain areas of her body. Now, that could be in respond to a fracture. Some people get that as a consequence of immobility, as well. So someone who`s immobilized for a long time may start to develop a lot of bone in that area...
And my favorite
12. MARY SCHINDLER: Well, she told me that, you know, that they weren`t intimate probably...
GRACE: They weren`t having sex?
MARY SCHINDLER: Right, the last year.
GRACE: For a year?
MARY SCHINDLER: No, no, no, no, the year before, I mean, in that year before she collapsed...

Interesting in a woman trying to get pregnant. No sex?????

Peppermint Patti wrote:

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No problem :-)
http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/200...
Lies Terri Schiavo's parents told me

During the medmal trial, didn't Mrs Schindler (can't remember if Mr Schindler did and I don't remember her siblings at all) testify that Mrs Schiavo was in a PVS and uncommunicative? Didn't Mrs Schindler praise her son-in-law saying that her daughter wanted for nothing, that she didn't know what she would do without him? Can't help but wonder why the big turnaround from one trial event to the other.