War Birds Come To Shenandoah

rod wrote:

Korea was a police action that turned ugly<<<
Korea was never a "police action" (although Pres Truman so named it - political reasons probably). Korea was the result of an armed invasion of South Korea and later against the Chinese Forces. I have never understood why Viet Nam was a War and Korea a "police action". Casualties in Nam were around 200 000 and in Korea 100 000 but Korea had 100 000 in three years and Viet Nam lasted over ten years.Don`t call Korea a Police action. We drove the invading forces back to the Yalu and we did everything we were asked to do and stopped only when ordered by the President.
I think, Free, you make arguments without considering the consequences to what you advocate.
Eisenhower did indeed, warn against the Military-Industrial Complex, but his warning, in the main, was against the profiteering and cost overruns and procurement of items not needed - not against the the use of military forces , per se.
Afghanistan is a tough area with terrain similiar (but a bit more rugged) to Korea. We had NK and CCF guerillas (call them what you will) behind our lines all over South Korea and it took manpower to combat them. I think the major problem in Afghanistan is we can`t find anyone to fight. That is , loosely organized bands aren`t easily "fixed and fired on". It is much easier to fight organized forces. That lesson goes back to the Revolutionary war, when at the outset, Minute Men routed the Britiish who had their Betsys and elaborate formations.Yugoslavia and the Chetniks (?) also come to mind. Out forces have a tough job in Afganistan and I don`t understand all the "military leadership" of the forces` decisions either but I don`t denigrate their efforts.In fact I don`t undertsand a lot about how todays Forces are commanded but that`s because I`m an old person I guess.

Sarge wrote:

Jim 2051, Jason,
Pay no attention to Mr. free. He shows his true nature, which is think of himself first and foremost, and not give a **** about others. If he did "serve' any time in the military, it was to avoid something, not be truly "of Service".

rod wrote:

Korea was a police action that turned ugly<<<
Korea was never a "police action" (although Pres Truman so named it - political reasons probably). Korea was the result of an armed invasion of South Korea and later against the Chinese Forces. I have never understood why Viet Nam was a War and Korea a "police action". Casualties in Nam were around 200 000 and in Korea 100 000 but Korea had 100 000 in three years and Viet Nam lasted over ten years.Don`t call Korea a Police action. We drove the invading forces back to the Yalu and we did everything we were asked to do and stopped only when ordered by the President.
I think, Free, you make arguments without considering the consequences to what you advocate.
Eisenhower did indeed, warn against the Military-Industrial Complex, but his warning, in the main, was against the profiteering and cost overruns and procurement of items not needed - not against the the use of military forces , per se.
Afghanistan is a tough area with terrain similiar (but a bit more rugged) to Korea. We had NK and CCF guerillas (call them what you will) behind our lines all over South Korea and it took manpower to combat them. I think the major problem in Afghanistan is we can`t find anyone to fight. That is , loosely organized bands aren`t easily "fixed and fired on". It is much easier to fight organized forces. That lesson goes back to the Revolutionary war, when at the outset, Minute Men routed the Britiish who had their Betsys and elaborate formations.Yugoslavia and the Chetniks (?) also come to mind. Out forces have a tough job in Afganistan and I don`t understand all the "military leadership" of the forces` decisions either but I don`t denigrate their efforts.In fact I don`t undertsand a lot about how todays Forces are commanded but that`s because I`m an old person I guess.

wormhida wrote:

There will be war bird poop on the cars!

thinking free wrote:

My issue aren't with men and women who put themselves in harms way to serve, protect and defend the Constitution. My concerns are those stated by Pres. Eisenhower. We have a duty to protect ourselves from political leaders who see a profit motive behind armed combat. Thats what Eisenhower was warning us about and nobody has ever listened. Korea was a police action that turned ugly. VN turned into the mess.(Ever hear of the Golf of Tonkin). Now we're engaged in a struggle where there will be no winners or losers, only those who have lost loved ones for lies told before congress. The Ruskies tried it once before and came no closer to success than we will. It is very upsetting to think about all the loved ones left behind with the passing of just one soldier, we've lost 4000+, the human toll in suffering is incalculable, VN 50,000+, should we as a nation not look at the real cost to families and friends before we ask just one person to go and put their life on the line. Sure its easy to sit back and say what a brave lad he was, he sacrificed his life for freedoms sake. Empty words when reading or listening to the news. And from a childs point of view, emptier even more. These are real people with real lives and hopes for their families, we owe them better as a nation.

thinking free wrote:

Better poop on my house than the poop some here listen too and call themselves patriots. Suckers. Whats are next excuse gonna be for sending young men and women of to get slaughtered? I'm sure your heroes will think of something.

thinking free wrote:

Better poop on my house than the poop some here listen too and call themselves patriots. Suckers. Whats are next excuse gonna be for sending young men and women of to get slaughtered? I'm sure your heroes will think of something.

fish 100 wrote:

<quoted text>Coward chicken!!!!! More to come!!!!!!!

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thinking free wrote:

I'll be damned, I spent a bunch of time replying to your questions and the post disappeared. I'll try again tomorrow, You do deserve a response and you'll get.

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thinking free wrote:

<quoted text>As for you grasshopper, you deserve squat.

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fish 100 wrote:

<quoted text>Coward chicken!!!!! More to come!!!!!!!