Who do you support for Governor in Tennessee in 2010?

Belmont hill Mitt wrote:

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me too.
if they were serious about reforming the fed, they would have done so.
the democrats seem to enjoy the current structure as it is.
I would put the fed under citizen control.
anyone who would let them do what they want to, is an ally of wall st.

I thought the Federal Reserve is run by a Group of Private Bankers, Not the U.S. Government...is that not right?

You see, I have been called a drunk, a woman beater, a child beater a paranoid delusional conspiracy theorist, a nut job, paranoid Scitzo A fraud a fake and any other of 100 different things on here because of my posts.

You can attack the messenger all you want. You cannot attack the message because truth ALWAYS prevails.

And yes, truth IS stranger than fiction but I know that it is easier to point a finger and laugh and have your fun at someone else expense rather that to leave your comfort zone and world of delusional lies that you have been force fed by the govt media and public education since birth, and wake up to the reality that govt doesn't care about you,.

That you are just another piece of the machine and will be forever trapped in this Matrix until you decide to first free your mind then your ass.

Wake up!

Alas I regress and am being side tracked from important matters at hand so this will be my final reply to your paranoid stalking theory.

Belmont hill Mitt wrote:

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sassy is hardly brain dead.
she provides this thread with plenty of news information.
thank you for your input as well.
but the rest of us are more likely to read and accept what you write if you dont attack people who dont really desreve it...
it is the mark of spastic immaturity.
yes the world is falling apart because of corporations.....
we ALL have known this since before you were born.

Sassy attacks just as much if not more.

Rickmath wrote:

You know you're living in the NEW Soviet Union when one can in no way distinguish one Soviet candidate from the other he's running against.
My question is why even bother calling these clowns in Washington, Democrats or Republicans. Right vs left or, any such nonsense labels. Paul Ryan's own voting record would have put him in good company as Obama's VP see for yourself.
Ryan voted in favor of the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act which repealed key provisions of the depression-era Glass–Steagall Act, TARP, Voted for the bailout to move two GM autos to China (more sure to follow), A National ID making the Un-Patriot ACT permanent, Surveillance without a warrant, No child left behind, Permanent tours in the middle east, 2008 & 2009 banker bailouts.
You could replace Obama's VP with this clown and nothing would change.
Like I always say. 2 sides of the same coin. you dumb Americans that actually think your vote makes a difference. LOL.
Not when you have 2 people in opposite parties who BOTH work for the globalist cabals.

yes I used to be JUST like you.

right after I finished reading ALL of noam chomsky's works on politics....

yet you fail to see nuances clearly.

romney and Obama ARE VERY different.

people said the same thing about Bush vs gore.

look how that turned out??

would al gore have invaded Iraq??

doubt it.

romney (in his bid to capture right wing votes) has subscribed to the new new republican platform....which is KILL ALL SOCIAL services. the democrats are like that!! they are defending them.

capitalism does not work well for the masses, so we have social redistribution controls.....we have for 80 years!!

so who is moscows candidate??

democrats believe in direct injection(fixing roads & creating jobs)

while rebuttlickers dont!! they think stimulating the economy is as easy as giving the uber wealthy, more wealth.

while the uber wealthy have offshored the american dream(50 tril)

it is time to discover the nuances in the american political landscape.

chillax wrote:

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Sassy attacks just as much if not more.

once again.....

they teach us all in the first grade not to rationalize our behavior due to someone elses bad behavior.....

remember THAT lesson??

just a thought wrote:

Mitt Romney cancelled an 'economics council' in Florida because he was too tired. I think it was because he didn't want to face those angry senior citizens!

and he wouldnt be in such a pickle if he had chose marco rubio!!

but ryan proposed voucherizing medicare.......and now this same fellow is the vice presidential nominee for the republican party.

they cant seriously hope to win florida???

even with all the voter disenfranchisment efforts from the tea party gov.

Really Sassy wrote:

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I thought the Federal Reserve is run by a Group of Private Bankers, Not the U.S. Government...is that not right?

a little of both......but they rely on guru wisdom(chuckle) from the greespans, the larry summers and the bernake's of the banking world.

they know as well as anyone that the next collapse in on its way.

unless..........

Guess they are actually our friends.Again.And again and again.I can not keep up with our friendship with AlQaeda.
htpp://www.foreignpolicyjourna l.com/2012/08/11/the -u-s-and-its-comrade-in-arms-a l-qaeda/

RickMath wrote:

You see, I have been called a drunk, a woman beater, a child beater a paranoid delusional conspiracy theorist, a nut job, paranoid Scitzo A fraud a fake and any other of 100 different things on here because of my posts.
You can attack the messenger all you want. You cannot attack the message because truth ALWAYS prevails.
And yes, truth IS stranger than fiction but I know that it is easier to point a finger and laugh and have your fun at someone else expense rather that to leave your comfort zone and world of delusional lies that you have been force fed by the govt media and public education since birth, and wake up to the reality that govt doesn't care about you,.
That you are just another piece of the machine and will be forever trapped in this Matrix until you decide to first free your mind then your ass.
Wake up!
Alas I regress and am being side tracked from important matters at hand so this will be my final reply to your paranoid stalking theory.

you speak the truth and say things many people here wouldnt know if not for you.

but when i recommend left wing literature I recommend noam chomsky, not confearacy. just sayin....learn to write in LESS of uber alarmist tone, and you might gain some readers.

just sayin!

we too see's the dems and the repub's as left and right wing of the same business party. yet there are MAJOR differences.

I didn't mean that the republicans and democrats are the same per say but on most levels they are. perfect example. Bush tried to pass Universal Health care and it failed, but Obummer get Obummercare passed.

another example is in their executive orders. how does ONE man decide whats best for America?

Most if not ALL of the exec orders have done nothing but to strip away more of our rights and freedoms.
You have to understand the SLAVE mentality.

In the initial stages of nearly every recorded tyranny, the saucer eyed dumbstruck masses exhibit astonishing and masterful skill when denying reality. The facts behind their dire circumstances and of their antagonistic government become a source of cynical psychological gameplay rather than a source of legitimate concern. Their desperate need to maintain their normalcy bias creates a memory and observation vacuum in which all that runs counter to their false assumptions and preconceptions disappears forever. It is as if they truly cannot see the color of the sky, or the boot on their face. The concrete world of truth becomes a dream, an illusion that can be heeded or completely ignored depending on one’s mood. For them, life is a constant struggle of dissociation, where the tangible is NOT welcome…

This is the problem that we in the Liberty Movement deal with most often in our writings and films. Our confrontation with willful ignorance has been epic, even by far reaching historical standards. The gains in social awareness have been substantial, and yet the obstacles are incredible. Unprecedented. As an activist trend, we have an almost obsessive drive to draw back the curtain so that the public has at least the opportunity to see what is on the other side. Unfortunately, there is another danger that must be taken into account…

It is one thing to bear witness to the rejection of truth in our time and the oblivious attitudes of many towards the growth of totalitarianism. Eventually, though, a second phase in the development of oligarchy arises. I am speaking of the point at which tyranny becomes so blatant that the skeptics have to acknowledge its existence, but after doing so, they choose to rationalize it as necessary. Yes, there are many in this world that will laugh at the prospect of the Orwellian nightmare only to happily embrace it when it arrives in full color.

I was recently looking into the divisive issue of U.S. Marine Sgt. Gary Stein, whose position has come under threat due to his criticisms of Barack Obama and his founding of the ‘Armed Forces Tea Party Facebook Page’. What I discovered was a large number of Americans in support of Stein’s right to speak as a citizen (even under Marine regulations) against the unconstitutional actions of any president or presidential candidate. I also discovered a considerable number who wanted to see the soldier dishonorably discharged, or even set upon a noose as punishment.

Now, we all know that the Department of Defense monitors web news and social networking activity, and they have been caught red handed in the past posing as regular citizens with strangely militant pro-authoritarian views (look into their organized propaganda attacks on websites dealing with the levee failures during Katrina, for instance). It is by no means a stretch to suggest that they would also troll the comments sections of mainstream news articles in an attempt to engineer a fraudulent consensus that Sgt. Stein’s actions have been negatively received by the majority of Americans. But that aside, the underlings at the DOD are still Americans, and the views they espouse are still expressions of a subsection of this country (a small elitist one). Also, sadly, there are plenty of non-government-paid people out there who believe exactly as they do.

Belmont hill Mitt wrote:

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once again.....
they teach us all in the first grade not to rationalize our behavior due to someone elses bad behavior.....
remember THAT lesson??

But yet you preach to one poster about attacking yet you say NOTHING to Sassy. Why is that?

Surely, we can debate over the details of Marine regulations until our ears bleed, and I could point out several facts that the mainstream media did not cover in their hit pieces on Stein (like the fact that he went to his superiors and asked them to advise him in the handling of his political position long before the present charges against him were ever formulated, and the fact that he followed many of their suggestions…), but ultimately, the regulations of the Marines or the Federal Government are irrelevant. Such laws are transitory, and are usually written so broadly that the authorities of the day can execute them however they wish to fit their needs at the moment. The real question here is one of principle, moral compass, and Constitutionality (a document which is a reflection of eternal natural law). We have to set aside the pointless legalese of defense standards in the case of Sgt. Stein and ask ourselves an important question; do U.S. troops have a right to free speech?
If you believe so, then their rights are not limited or exclusive. They are free to say whatever any other American has a right to say. If you believe they do not, then you have relegated the troops to the position of second class citizens, or even property of the state. There is NO in-between. Discipline and military coherence be damned. Either these men and women have First Amendment protections and are full citizens or they are mechanisms of the government whose civil liberties have been erased.
Even though I understand the psychology behind it, I am still shaken with raw electrical astonishment when confronted by those who support the latter notion that American soldiers are indeed property of the state, that their actions must be dictated by the president and not the Constitution, and that this is required for the military to function.
Very few of these absurd multitudes ever ask what “function” such a military, populated by ethical robots who are blindly subservient to the dictates of a single man, would actually serve?
What good is an unprincipled military? An unprincipled government? An unprincipled society? What reason is there for these constructs to exist? The Nuremberg Trials solidified the reality that soldiers will be held accountable for following criminal orders, and still, there are some who claim that our troops must adopt a shoot first pay later methodology.

I bring up the circumstances of Sgt. Stein to illustrate the situation our nation is currently facing; we are on the threshold of total despotism, where the naysayers who shrugged off the threat of rogue government yesterday suddenly embrace it and support it today. When Stewart Rhodes first formed the Oath Keepers organization, the same talking point was consistently used in an attempt to derail it; “The orders you would refuse to obey could never occur in this country…” And yet, many of the warnings of Oath Keepers have come to pass, including the unlawful disarming of peaceful U.S. citizens during the disaster in New Orleans, the institution of government directed assassination programs of U.S. citizens under Bush and Obama, the passing of NDAA legislation which includes provisions for indefinite detainment of Americans without trial, warrantless wiretapping, surveillance, and even home invasion by authorities is becoming common, and the Obama Administration has put into place several executive orders (including the The National Defense Resources Preparedness EO) which pave the way for Martial Law to be declared.
The cold hard reality is, the Oath Keepers were right, and Sgt. Stein is right.
And, now that this is becoming undeniable, the opponents of their tenets are switching gears to fight for the implementation of unconstitutional laws which they used to deny were even possible. Can this situation be any more insane? Oh yes…
There are no limits to the surrealist hell that can be unleashed when dealing with what I like to call the “Slave Mentality”. The slave mentality takes many shapes. It is pervasive in times of social distress, and, it can be infectious. The psychologist Carl Jung wrote in his book ‘The Undiscovered Self’ that the cruel sociopathy seen in the populations of Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia is actually latent in many of us. All it needs is the right set of sociopolitical circumstances and a weak enough will, and the shadows in the hearts of lesser men are given license to come out and play. This is just as true in America, where people now operated on assumptions that the state is an absolute provider in the event of national calamity.
But what are the signs of this unconscious desire for collectivism and control? What makes a slave do what he does? Here are just a handful of explanations to consider…

The True Slave: The true slave is not a person who has been shackled, beaten, tortured, and made to comply under threat of death. As long as that poor soul has the spirit of rebellion and is ever seeking freedom, they are not imprisoned fully. The true slave is a person who enjoys their subservience, who is weighted with fear by the very idea of independence from the system, and who would actually fight and die to maintain the establishment which enslaves them. The true slave is not able to imagine living any other life beyond his micro-managed existence.

The Facts Lose Value: The worst flaw of the slave is not necessarily his ability to overlook the truth, but his ability to see it, comprehend it, and then shrug it off anyway because it is contrary to his mission to fulfill his private delusions. For the slave, the truth exists, but is no longer useful. Lies make his universe turn, and facts are a tool to be used or cast aside at his leisure.

The Obsession With The Law: The slave mentality, though illogical and psychotic, still requires a certain foundation to hold it together. The laws of governments tend to suffice. These laws may go completely against the force of inherent conscience, but because the slave has already abandoned listening to his inner voice of reason, this does not bother him much. If you have ever wondered why modern tyrannies always feel the need to put their horrific enforcements in writing first, THIS is why. Oligarchs understand that the law provides the slave with a means to rationalize his participation in the crimes of the state. After all, if some gut-bloated bloodthirsty elitists in government etch their mad inbred ramblings into law, then we have no choice but to follow them, right?

The Need To Be Accepted: A slave seeks harmony not within, but without, even when that “harmony” is with a system that is designed to destroy him. The viciousness of collectivism lay in its ability to comfort converts with atrocity. As long as the slave feels as though he is a part of the machine, and accepted by the group, he cares not what the machine does to others. Common arguments include; “We all have to live together, and so we must sacrifice our selfish individualism for the greater good…” or “Governments are here to protect us and we should do everything we can to make their job easier…” Rarely if ever do they question if the system is legitimately helpful or harmful. The system just “is”, it fulfills their need to be coddled, and that is good enough for them. For all their talk of "unity" and the "greater good", collectivists are for the most part deeply selfish. They do not support or participate in the collective for the sake of others. They do it to satiate their personal desires.

The Need For Control: I suppose it’s ironic, but the average slave loves tyranny because it affords him a perceived seat at the table of power, perhaps for the first time in his entire life. Collectivist slaves are often people who have felt weak and inadequate since childhood. While honorable human beings fight this personal uncertainty by strengthening themselves physically and mentally, and improving upon their own character, the slave takes the easy route by joining with bureaucracy and living vicariously through its conquests. Through the state, the hollow, cowardly, and stupid, have the ability to “show the world who’s boss”, and get revenge for a life filled with meaninglessness.

The Need For Structure: An individual takes responsibility for himself, learning over time to provide his own structure which works at his pace and serves his unique needs. A slave does not have the energy or the drive to do that, and so, he asks the establishment to tell him how he should live. He will hold at face value the word of nearly anyone in a position of petty authority. When confronted with those who go their own way, or who rebel against the cookie-cutter template for social participation, the slave sneers in disgust. Independent rebellion is abhorrent to him, because the system provides him with his very identity. To insult the fabric of the system is to insult who he is. It’s pathetic, but common…

The Need For Vindication: Sometimes it is not enough for certain people to have their own world view. The slave seeks approval for his world view at every turn, even if that world view is twisted by bleary eyed logic, and will go so far as to force others to agree with it so that they can feel safer in their beliefs. It is natural for people to seek out others with similar views and ideals, but, it is not natural or healthy for those same people to use the government apparatus as a weapon to frighten the rest of us into submission just so they can become more confident in their ludicrous slapdash philosophies. Slaves want a world without contradiction. Laughably, everything they do is a contradiction.

What I have seen in a number of the reactions to the honest activism of Sgt. Gary Stein is a knee-jerk bias that reeks of the slave mentality, but it offers us a window in gauging the leanings of the general public. Now that the once theoretical dangers of federal fascism are breaking the surface of the water and circling the American sinking ship, the great test is to watch closely where the masses place their priorities. Will they take the path of the individual, admit to the laboratory mutation that our government has become, and try to make things right again? Or, will they take the path of the slave, forget their past follies and empty arguments, and jump on the totalitarian bandwagon? Certainly, it is not as if the cheerleaders of the state usually get out of the tumult with all their limbs intact. In most cases, they are lucky to get out alive once the smoke clears. One might think that the lessons of history would be guide enough, but then again, the average slave has taken every conceivable measure to ensure that his particular fantasy land is magical enough to withstand substantial examination. The system is their drug, and the upheaval that free thought brings is such a buzz-kilk.

Really Sassy wrote:

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I thought the Federal Reserve is run by a Group of Private Bankers, Not the U.S. Government...is that not right?

Correct.

Timbuk2 wrote:

Lessee. Obama’s sales pitch is that he’s the candidate for the “little guy”. The poor and down trodden. The non 1%er’s.
So how’s things going?
Well, Michelle Obama, the hostess with the mostest, is picking pockets of the poor folk in Hollywood. She’s the guest of honor at a fundraiser underway at Warner Bros chief Barry Meyer‘s home. It started at 4 PM and was a sellout even though ticket prices ranged from $2,500 to $25,000. Among the guests spotted are Warner Bros Pictures Group president and Office Of The President Jeff Robinov, Warner Bros Television president Peter Roth, Warner Bros Domestic Television Distribution president Ken Werner, and Warner Bros TV’s most valuable sitcom executive producer and creator Chuck Lorre (The Big Bang Theory, Two And A Half Men, Mike & Molly. Also New Line Cinema president Toby Emmerich, E! talk show host Chelsea Handler, and director Rob Reiner. MORE
Michelle also went to a family-oriented fundraiser at singer Gwen Stefani’s Beverly Hills house around 1:40 PM, Here’s the White House Pool Report from Stefani’s event.
All these rich folks just feel so sorry for you, the losers in life’s lottery. But they do hire maids, butlers, and gardeners, so you should be able to get a job.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/michelle-obam...
And let’s not forget the president himself. He had a fund raiser for the little guys – just $51 bucks to get in to meet the smartest and greatest PREZZY ever. In homeytown Chicago.
The room was half full. Other say it was half empty.
Heh. Heh. Heh.

if youre at a democratic fund raiser in LA(that requires a minimum of 2500), the chances of you actually being below the poverty line are VERY VERY slim.

"poor" folks ??

chillax wrote:

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But yet you preach to one poster about attacking yet you say NOTHING to Sassy. Why is that?

I actually have.

dont forget, your still the nubie.

this thread is OLD.

now,

that is exactly what the first grader said to the teacher.....

the teacher replied.......

remember why your here, stick to your subjects and dont bother with drama of the class(especially manufacturing it or feeding gleefully on stooopid stuff)

I hate logging in on saturday night and seeing this thread used for banal insulting back and forth chatter. dont get sucked in!!

stick to politics and social issues.

RickMath wrote:

I didn't mean that the republicans and democrats are the same per say but on most levels they are. perfect example. Bush tried to pass Universal Health care and it failed, but Obummer get Obummercare passed.
another example is in their executive orders. how does ONE man decide whats best for America?
Most if not ALL of the exec orders have done nothing but to strip away more of our rights and freedoms.
You have to understand the SLAVE mentality.
In the initial stages of nearly every recorded tyranny, the saucer eyed dumbstruck masses exhibit astonishing and masterful skill when denying reality. The facts behind their dire circumstances and of their antagonistic government become a source of cynical psychological gameplay rather than a source of legitimate concern. Their desperate need to maintain their normalcy bias creates a memory and observation vacuum in which all that runs counter to their false assumptions and preconceptions disappears forever. It is as if they truly cannot see the color of the sky, or the boot on their face. The concrete world of truth becomes a dream, an illusion that can be heeded or completely ignored depending on one’s mood. For them, life is a constant struggle of dissociation, where the tangible is NOT welcome…
This is the problem that we in the Liberty Movement deal with most often in our writings and films. Our confrontation with willful ignorance has been epic, even by far reaching historical standards. The gains in social awareness have been substantial, and yet the obstacles are incredible. Unprecedented. As an activist trend, we have an almost obsessive drive to draw back the curtain so that the public has at least the opportunity to see what is on the other side. Unfortunately, there is another danger that must be taken into account…
It is one thing to bear witness to the rejection of truth in our time and the oblivious attitudes of many towards the growth of totalitarianism. Eventually, though, a second phase in the development of oligarchy arises. I am speaking of the point at which tyranny becomes so blatant that the skeptics have to acknowledge its existence, but after doing so, they choose to rationalize it as necessary. Yes, there are many in this world that will laugh at the prospect of the Orwellian nightmare only to happily embrace it when it arrives in full color.
I was recently looking into the divisive issue of U.S. Marine Sgt. Gary Stein, whose position has come under threat due to his criticisms of Barack Obama and his founding of the ‘Armed Forces Tea Party Facebook Page’. What I discovered was a large number of Americans in support of Stein’s right to speak as a citizen (even under Marine regulations) against the unconstitutional actions of any president or presidential candidate. I also discovered a considerable number who wanted to see the soldier dishonorably discharged, or even set upon a noose as punishment.
Now, we all know that the Department of Defense monitors web news and social networking activity, and they have been caught red handed in the past posing as regular citizens with strangely militant pro-authoritarian views (look into their organized propaganda attacks on websites dealing with the levee failures during Katrina, for instance). It is by no means a stretch to suggest that they would also troll the comments sections of mainstream news articles in an attempt to engineer a fraudulent consensus that Sgt. Stein’s actions have been negatively received by the majority of Americans. But that aside, the underlings at the DOD are still Americans, and the views they espouse are still expressions of a subsection of this country (a small elitist one). Also, sadly, there are plenty of non-government-paid people out there who believe exactly as they do.

Stockholm Syndrome...to a degree.