Yonder Farm

todd wrote:

hey is the farm still open whats happening todd from des moines

No Todd; The farm is shut down; owned by a holding company in Wyoming. The property is empty and guarded; nobody lives there anymore except Vern who caretakes the farm and Jimbo who watches the front office. Woody is in the nursing home in Jeffersonville. Lilith does not live there, or anywhere in Georgia. Yonder moved to Wyoming in April 2008 and has not lived there since. The only time he has been back was to go to court. No "solar" house has ever existed, and no one ever lived in the "house" Stone built, neither has there been any garden there in recent years. Andy moved away in 2006.
The Sheriff will arrest anyone who enters the property.

So Vern & Jimbo still live there, and Yonder's put the property title into a holding company....

Yonder, I built a passive solar house. I had a solar array on the roof. That "small personal garden' that you mention in your blog? I had a good half acre fenced in, plus there was as much garden outside the wire as I had inside.... Hardly a "small" garden...

As far as it being a personal garden... When no-one helps me with it in spite of my repeated offers / requests... Your lack of interest in people doing anything positive on the property ... hardly makes my efforts less valuable to the community.

Throwing us out of our homes was wrong.

David Breedlove wrote:

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No Todd; The farm is shut down; owned by a holding company in Wyoming. The property is empty and guarded; nobody lives there anymore except Vern who caretakes the farm and Jimbo who watches the front office. Woody is in the nursing home in Jeffersonville. Lilith does not live there, or anywhere in Georgia. Yonder moved to Wyoming in April 2008 and has not lived there since. The only time he has been back was to go to court. No "solar" house has ever existed, and no one ever lived in the "house" Stone built, neither has there been any garden there in recent years. Andy moved away in 2006.
The Sheriff will arrest anyone who enters the property.

hey can woody have visitors I might be heading down to spring break in florida I know he probably don't get much visitors and I'm sure he'd be happy to see me. I used to live on the farm in the van down from the helicopter pad when little bear and his family was there. So no one can visit people on the farm either? That no good. Can yonder ever return? I remember putting out his trailer when it was on fire. If there's anything I can do to help out Yonder I will. I know Yonder would never harm anything. Or do anyone dirty. Todd Kurth from des moines Iowa

Uncle Lawrence wrote:

Yonder has never kicked anybody out for not paying rent. He has let freeloaders live off him for years. The only time anyone has ever been asked to leave is if they hurt or bother someone else, especially women or children, or women with children, or women with a husband--he hates adultery and child abuse and that's about the only thing he does not tolerate on his farm. He puts up with drunks and rude people all the time; homeless bums can freeload all they want; but if you are a danger to one of the least you are gone--no matter how much you have contributed.

We tolerated a lot of uncool stuff over the years, believing that Yonder wouldn't unfairly evict us.

When he did start throwing people out, he targeted those of us with something worth stealing.... People who hadn't built homes were not harassed and told to leave, only those of us who'd made a significant investment in the community.

Goes anyone want to see the passive solar house that Yonder insists doesn't exist? Look me up. I really need to remove my house and the rest of my garden, I could use some help, as it doesn't look like Yonder ever will make things right with our community.

I understand that other people are finally getting tired of waiting to get a fair shake from Yonder, ready to start complaining about all the years of being told that we were buying in, only to have the agreements suddenly thrown out.....

I spoke to Lilith over the weekend... The real Lilith, in Georgia... Not the impostor posting from Canada.

I reminded her how unjust it was when Yonder threw her out after all the months she'd provided him with free maid service.

Lilith jumped to Yonder's defense, pointing out that Yonder was pissed about her feeding her kids while she was there... cleaning after Yonder's nasty self.

I'd previously heard this sickness from Yonder's own mouth... I think it's disturbing that Yonder claims to "love" children after throwing out a mom for feeding her family.

There's a theme here...When I gave Yonder my money back in '88, he told me I'd saved the property.

When I came to him later, complaining about having nothing to eat, he let me starve. I might have died, if someone from town hadn't shown up and brought me some food.

I planted a garden. http://www.stonethegardener.com/

Yonder calls it a danger to the property!
http://www.yonder.zoomshare.com/2.shtml

I think Yonder just wants people to starve.

I certainly haven't seen any pictures of him producing food to feed anyone, in spite of having a tractor and 100 acres... How 'bout it Yonder? Show us those fields of produce I "endangered" by planting a garden.

Show us those good works that you keep laying claim to.

Maybe it is true, that you are certifiable, and not responsible for your actions... In that case, let's put you somewhere that you aren't hurting people.

I really cannot believe that Stone is STILL going on about losing his place on the Yonder farm. I find it amusing that he thinks he once saved the farm by lending Yonder money. I remember the time he's talking about, and although I think it's true he was prepared to help Yonder, it turned out not to be necessary. From what I've heard, and I heard it from someone very close to Stone, he hasn't paid anything for years, though at one time he did. I've known all these people for years, and though Yonder did put up with a lot of freeloaders, I don't believe Stone really fit that description. Yes, at one time he did have a beautiful garden, though he put a fence around it and wouldn't let a lot of people even come into what he considered "his" area of the property. He did build a house, but folks, we're not talking anything all that fancy, and several people built houses for themselves to live in. As for the "plant nursery", some months after Stone left Georgia to live with his girlfriend in Tennessee, you wouldn't have known there was ever a garden there. I don't know what he thinks is there now to reclaim. The place has been cut over so that there is hardly a tree standing of any size, and Stone's garden isn't even there, not that I could see last time I was out there. There are wrongs on both sides of this story in my opinion, but I believe Stone needs to move on with his life, if that's possible for him. He tends never to get over things or believe that anyone is right about anything whatsoever besides himself, so that will probably never happen. The farm is a very sad place nowadays and Stone will never be able to live there again, nor will anyone want to buy it unless they want to remove all the old junk that's been left there for years. I don't know why anyone would be all that anxious to go there anymore...the good days of the Yonder Farm seem to be long over. We miss Yonder, but the rest of the mess that it became over the years due to all the drunks he put up with is not going away anytime soon.

I may have misspoken when I said Stone didn't actually help Yonder out with money. I thought he was talking about a different time, but I just reread what he said and he's talking about 1988, the year before I met Yonder, so I can't say exactly what happened then. Just want to keep things as straight and as truthful as possible, so I'm posting this retraction of that particular statement. That doesn't mean everything Stone is claiming is true, however. Not that it really matters much anymore...

By the way, be prepared to read what a terrible person I am when Stone next posts on this site, lol...

Jayday wrote:

By the way, be prepared to read what a terrible person I am when Stone next posts on this site, lol...

I don't even know who you are.

People are talking about me getting past being ripped-off for 15 years of investing ALL of my resources.... AIN'T going to happen.

I built something beautiful, I worked full time on it. Nobody ever offered me a bit of help, yet seem to think I didn't have the right to put up a fence to keep the deer out...

My garden was still there when I came out to get some small amount of what I brought in... Raised beds don't go away. I did a huge amount of soil work out there, as everyone would know if they'd taken the time away from their partying to come down and help me create a garden.

Yonder immediately began looting my plants after throwing me out.

Everybody can stop claiming that I wasn't thrown out. I had an invitation to spend time in TN when Yonder was harassing me, And rather than stay in an escalating situation, I took some time out... I did NOT leave willingly, I was FORCED from my home & livelihood.

Check the crazy stuff Yonder says on his blog... I'm not the only person he harassed for doing too much (in the wrong place). We had someone that brought in a bunch of building materials, and started a house... Yonder threw a fit... The worker bee tore down what he had started. Then he brought in a semi-load of materials from Home Depot. Built a beautiful house... Yonder had a fit AGAIN! Talked about bringing in a bull-dozer to push the house over...

Yonder loves you as long as you bring nothing to the community. If you come in with money, and are willing to WORK to create community, he labels you a trouble-maker.

Jayday wrote:

He did build a house, but folks, we're not talking anything all that fancy, and several people built houses for themselves to live in.

It doesn't have to be all that fancy... When I was sleeping on the ground with pnemonia, unable to come home to my house, It was seriously wrong. I built a beautiful house that was warm and dry, kept my plants alive all winter, the solar array provided me with plenty of electricity...

Yonder's got people belittling my efforts instead of discussing the terrible thing he did by betraying our trust and depriving us of our homes.... How can anyone claim that didn't harm us?

i truly wanted to walk away from all this pain,leaving no possible way to be hurt by the yonderz ever again...too much of my life has been torn down by my interaction with these people,my morality,my esteem,my credibility attacked...but i am once again coaxed by the publication of my letter on this site by someone other than myself...i am not disputing that i wrote the letter,nor saying that it contains falsehoods,but taken out of context,one might assume that i have no 'beef' with yonder,david breedlove...alot of what has gone on at the farm over the years,as well as the public's issues were provoked by his dishonesty,and alot of lives have been damaged,as a result...i am on a schedule and must go for now,but by all means,it is about time people understood how he misled people for years under the 'guise of a hippie wishing for a peaceful communal type arrangement...we put our life energy into building homes,creating a self-sufficient farm,struggling against an open-door policy that only benefitted the yonder,and hurt our efforts...constantly being invaded by alcoholics,users,thieves,and pedophiles,i struggled to give my children the upbringing that would prepare them for the depression i saw coming,as well as teaching them a way of life that would allow them to live simply,so all could simply live...i am a generous and kind woman i gave wholeheartedly my time and energy into cleaning up the dump i found and turning it into a liveable,sustainable village..for reasons i will never understand,i was forced out,the justification deals out lies and personal attacks which are based on strands of truth...my husband and i contributed time,money,love...we were robbed of our livelihoods,and now struggle to feed our family,homeless as a result of yonder's dishonesty and this economy...the letter was written to save him from charges of molestation that i knew were lies...i stand up for what is right,and no matter what had been done to me it was the right thing to do,i am certain however that it went unappreciated,even though i was able to get the charges dropped...i would fight for my home,but as an angel of mercy,i came,and as an angel of mercy i walk away..i will not attack people personally,however in closing i will say this...karma is an ugly character to face when you are responsible for so much pain...i helped you find your freedom,as you sentenced my family to homelessness,this fact you cannot change...

once again i want to state that i am not in canada,and whomever has been posting these rude,nasty comments,not only doesn't know me,but has a very fowl mouth...full of chicken sh%$T!Stone may be bitter,but has damn good reasons...whomever is posting as lilith should reveal their true identity,and face me as an adult...this has to be one of the most disturbing things that has happened to me on the internet...

i am amazed at the amount of uninformed banter i see about this once intentional community...i lived there,raised my children there,watched as the others whose posts you read and want to believe,came and left,usung,abusing,not partaking in any action to improve the land or lives there...yes yonder has a good side,but the truth is this,he has become selfish and greedy,and lies ever so eloquently to justify his actions...i was promised a life,we paid in,got thrown out...details unnecessary at this point...stone is not a liar.he states facts,he was a valuable,educated,hard-working community member,his heart in the right place...i believe,however, the farm was damned,simply because there was never truly a desire for community...once i thought that it was real,but i left because there was so much dishonesty and no coopoeration,too many self-serving folks for a real commune...i hoped that my absence would be the answer t my husband keeping the home we built,the land we cleared,and the village i helped create from the rubble and thorns,but he blindly followed the yonder,and now we have nothing...anyone of any value or worth was thrown out,while drug users,alcoholics,and bums were allowed to stay,raping the land,robbing those of us living and trying to create a life there...yonder was wooed by their false adoration,taken advantage of time and again,and led to believe that good people were bad...i do not hate yonder,david breedlove,i love him as i met him and used to know him...i gave him everything i could offer,even a van to insure he could get around when i wasn't there,i treated him like a father,watched as he lost his life to alcohol,and takers...i wished for change and got it,not real sure what to expect from folks or prayer anymore...

Hello to everyone.My name is Scott Warren with the Twiggs Times New Era newspaper. I am considering writing a story about the Yonder community that was and the events that transpired and let to the demise. I encourage each of you to contact me at ttimes@nlamerica.com and lets discuss the history of Yonder. I would like to hear from Mr. Breedlove, Mr. Stone, Mrs. Snyder and anyone else who wishes to share there experiences, photographs etc with me.

Lillith Snyder wrote:
"i am once again coaxed by the publication of my letter on this site by someone other than myself"

Are we allowed to start posting the emails we recieved now? Yonder, you change the rules so often I can't keep up.

Lillith Snyder wrote:
"alot of what has gone on at the farm over the years,as well as the public's issues were provoked by his dishonesty,and alot of lives have been damaged,as a result"

"an open-door policy that only benefitted the yonder,and hurt our efforts...constantly being invaded by alcoholics,users,thieves,and pedophiles"

We really need to get these issues discussed. Yonder trys to portray himself as this misunderstood dude that was trying to help people, and was victim to an over exuberant sheriff.

Is there any logic to his claims? I don't think so...

Jeffersonville is the kindest most accepting town it's ever been my privilage to reside.

Yonder really had to work hard to get thrown out of town... How many towns does this make now, yonder?

We had a man out there who told everyone that he was a child molester. He asked for sex in the crudest possible terms... Man / woman, didn't matter. Women came to my house complaining that he'd been masturbating publically. All I could do for them was offer a safe haven. When you asked Yonder to rein in his pet, or throw him out, Yonder called that trouble-making, and suggested that the complainer leave.

I thought it was an obvious distraction, like the magician waving his hand around to take your attention off the other hand... The only question being... What was Yonder doing that required such a distraction?

When I heard about the charges against Yonder, it clicked for me. Lilith still believes the best of him... I've been convinced that there's a lot that we don't know that would truly bother any decent person.

todd from des moines wrote:

<quoted text> hey can woody have visitors I might be heading down to spring break in florida I know he probably don't get much visitors and I'm sure he'd be happy to see me. I used to live on the farm in the van down from the helicopter pad when little bear and his family was there. So no one can visit people on the farm either? That no good. Can yonder ever return? I remember putting out his trailer when it was on fire. If there's anything I can do to help out Yonder I will. I know Yonder would never harm anything. Or do anyone dirty. Todd Kurth from des moines Iowa

so,todd,didn't you get it?how long did you stay there?where did you work?who fed you?do you truly understand what has happened?

Stone wrote:

It is indeed time the truth were to come out, I've tried & tried to engage Yonder in a discussion about him throwing people out of the homes we built, & for some insane reason, people keep telling me and everyone else that it didn't happen!
The judge down at the Twiggs county courthouse hasn't told me that I'm not thrown out... As far as I can determine, I'll be arrested if I try to go home to the beautiful solar powered house & plant nursery that I spent 15 years & everything I had creating.
Before Yonder tries to make out like people are trying to get him, why not make things right with the people he's wronged?
Reminds me of the story of the man who was forgiven his debt, only to harass the people who owed him.
I was there when Lilith was thrown out, I don't know what Yonder promised her to get her to defend him, I really wish she would stand in solidarity with the other permanent members of the community who were turned out of their homes.
There is no community when people with significant investments are suddenly turned out of their homes.
Yonder, stop pretending like the community is out to get you...
I haven't heard that anyone in the larger community of Jeffersonville has gotten a better deal from you .... The seed store showed people what kind of bargains you make, and that didn't last long in spite of being given a pre-existing customer base.

so i am only responding to one query,i am tired,need sleep...i was promised nothing in exchange for standing up for what i see is 'right',i am given eternal life unconditional love and nonjudgemental understanding and divinely led to do 'right'...jesus is my hero,let me connect to that which led him,the same spirit that led buddha...and may i always be loveandlight,lillith...standin g strong in the light,praying for change,crusaders,unite :}

lillith snyder wrote:

<quoted text>i was promised nothing in exchange for standing up for what i see is 'right',i am given eternal life unconditional love and nonjudgemental understanding and divinely led to do 'right'...jesus is my hero,let me connect to that which led him,the same spirit that led buddha...and may i always be loveandlight,lillith...standin g strong in the light,praying for change,crusaders,unite :}

I'm still having a difficult time seeing defending Yonder from the consequences of his actions as "Christian".

Yonder did some very bad things. Karma caught up with him. Defending him only allows him to keep doing bad things... Don't believe me? Check his post where he explains that you aren't in GA in response to the posts made by "Lilith" from Canada.

Typical of how Yonder practices conflict resolution, he merely stated that you weren't in GA... Knowing that wasn't you, he encouraged the internet public to believe that was you saying those crude things.

Heck of a way to show appreciation to you...

Yonder isn't being helped by these defenses of him. The way to help him is to hold him accountable, and demand that he makes things right.

Yonder didn't have much going for him out at the commune. There was never much that he could point to and encourage visitors to join so they could be a part of the community. What little he did have going for him, he threw away, when he permitted his son to harrass all of the members who'd done anything to make the property a better place.

Of course, when everybody had been thrown out, his son left that sinking ship. And Yonder's left defending the children that his ex raised, while blaming the pot growing on the property on the visitors... Yeah, that's going to win him some favors down at the Twiggs county courthouse...

You know... I warned Yonder's son, Andy / Yasha in an open forum that he wasn't going to have a garden there... if he persisted in throwing out the gardener... I also warned Yonder that if he didn't quickly make things right with us, that he would likely be thrown out as well.

I can put those posts back up if anybody would like to see them...

Yes, Stone, you do know me. And I know you. I don't choose to post my actual name any more than you choose to post your full one. I tried to stand up for you because unpleasant as you can be, you did some actual creative and positive things on the farm. I'm the one who was friends with both of the girlfriends you had at one time, which may be the real reason you decided to hate me, rather than because you put up fences where you had no right, way beyond any garden you had, and I helped to tear them down. Or maybe your reason is more obscure than that. I do know once you get it in for someone, you never change, no matter what. All of that is water over the dam, and maybe something you did out there still could be reclaimed, but it's a moot point as no one can live there anymore and the land is so cut over and trashed anyway...

I'm sorry you evidently have never found anything else to replace what you had there. Some of what you say about Yonder is true, in my opinion, and some isn't. The truest thing is that the place went all to hell because of indulgence of alcoholics and bums. I know we wasted way too much time there, hoping things would change, and I know our lives are much better since we stopped going out there much. Yet there are some good memories, too...

Lilith, perhaps you don't realize that when you tell people how wonderful you are you make them question that. "I am a generous and kind woman"? Maybe, but if so, you should leave that for others to say about you, if it's true. Besides Stone, I mean, whose motives could be called into question.

Jayday wrote:

maybe something you did out there still could be reclaimed, but it's a moot point as no one can live there anymore and the land is so cut over and trashed anyway...

No...
I'm really tired of people telling me "it's too late". That was what Andy told everyone when he took our homes hostage and tried to extort additional funds from us, insisting that nobody had a deal with Yonder after 15 years of living there.

It's always been trashy. I came in on a cutover back in 1988, and slowly brought beauty into the property... In spite of the things Yonder did.

Yonder CAN apologize to the community for throwing us out of our homes and then insisting that everyone left "on our own"...

Yonder can recognize the permanent members, and remember that he told us that we were "buying in" and put our names on the deed to the property and let us go back to our homes. Yonder was thrown out of Jeffersonville, we weren't.

Finally, when people trash my efforts, THAT IS THE PROBLEM.