Coal silo protest

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Wrong wrote:

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I can come up with new things daily. I just like to watch you chase my post.
I like to make sure things get seen by many and it appears it does.
I think you are back you paid hack. Only a paid hack would chase one person to try and disprove them wrong.

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informed citizen wrote:

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I can come up with new things too - not just tired old youtube & commondream links. And I'm not paid by any coal company, nor does any of my family currently work in the mining industry. But.. coal does keeps the lights on, provides jobs and impacts the economies of several states in the appalachian region, so I do have a stake in what's happens to the industry.
my contribution for today:
Jeremy Starks - WV fisherman from long line of coal miners promoting coal.(anyone seen the commercial?)
Inside BASS: Starks Spreading the Word for Coal Industry
“They’re trying to promote coal as good, clean energy. And they also promote doing it right,” Starks said.“They’re not just about trying to improve their image; they’re really about trying to work with government officials and improve regulations and just make mining a safer and cleaner deal. And they’re looking to take some of the coal-mine properties and turning them into hatcheries for bass … and actually supplementing the state’s fisheries with coal-company funds. That’s a great thing.”
"My goal is to get around the youth and show the general public how coal mining can actually benefit and not have a negative impact. We have a lot of areas where those reclaimed surface mines are being used for schools, for shopping malls and other things. When they do a mountaintop removal and they reclaim it, in all that new growth there’s grouse, there’s deer, there’s turkey. So they’re really not a negative impact. They actually can have a positive impact.”
and more here:
http://www.friendsofcoal.org/news/28-inside-b...

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Brenda wrote:

Well, Amanda, what you said sounds reasonable and I have no answer so it looks as if I'll bow out and give it some thought.
I wonder what we'll all allow in the name of progress and just hope nothing of value is found near the Grand Canyon or some of our other national treasures. To me the Appalachian Mountains were a treasure and it's sad to see what's happening to them.
Thank you for your courteous answers. Not sure it helps because I look at the pictures and still want to cry.
http://www.ohvec.org/galleries/mountaintop_re...

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abc123 wrote:

<quoted text>I was raised on Coal River and when I looked at those pictures it was all I could do to keep from crying..all those beautiful Mountains gone

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wv mountains wrote:

<quoted text>the gorgeous scenery and mountains in west virginia is all the state has going for it - no one would ever come here for any other reason - and now they are being destroyed and for what - so coal miners can brag how much money they make. ha

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<quoted text>I was raised on Coal River and when I looked at those pictures it was all I could do to keep from crying..all those beautiful Mountains gone

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send them back wrote:

<quoted text>just where have they gone too?

Massey wife wrote:

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Well I believe you would have just lost your bet. I can tell you without a doubt even if my husband didnt work for Massey I would not be out there with the treehuggers!!!!! I know alot of Massey wives none of which are stuck up as you call it. I will talk to anyone willing to talk to me .If this is your everyday attitude no wonder you think people are "stuck up", most people try to avoid negativity. In every crowd there are good and bad people, try not to judge all massey wives by the action of a few!!!!!!!!

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joe wrote:

how many of our men underground finished high school in the top 15 % of their classes? I know one personally but after you make him the main boss. Then what?

AMH wrote:

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Hello Massey Wife! You say in your post you will talk to anyone who's willing to talk to you. Great! I'm a college student from VA doing a thesis project on coal in West Virginia and I'm trying to interview people on both sides of this issue (environmentalists and Massey employees/wives). I want to represent everyone's arguments fairly but so far I have not found any people from the Massey side who are willing to be interviewed. Would you be interested or do you have any friends who might be interested in talking to me? I'd like to speak with a woman if possible... either a female employee or a wife (I'm a woman too, and I'm trying to collect mostly female stories).
If anyone reading this post knows someone who might be interested, please reply to me and we'll get in touch! Thanks so much.

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UVAPhd wrote:

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What I find amusing about your post is your assumption that all MTR is done by Massey (I'm trying to interview people on both sides of this issue (environmentalists and Massey employees/wives)). The fact of the matter is Massey is just one of many companies that facilitate their escavation of coal with the practice. I too have wrote a thesis on the evolving situation and have utilized several individuals posts (and have paid for locations from this service provider). People would be surprised to learn that the majority of the posters on this forum come from very few computers and that several of these identities floating around here are actually the same persons. I find that the environmentalist as you have dubbed them post under several names with the same computer address and computer name as recorded by this service. I have also found that the environmentalist refuse to disclose their sources of funding while the mining side of the debate does not have any private funding other than their very own salaries. While doing my research I have also found several claims from the enviromentalist to be just outright false and misleading and have also found that the researchers at WVU who feed these misconceptions are being funded by certain industry to publish findings. I am willing to give you an interview. Want to meet in Charlottesville lets say in December? I am out of the country until mid December and I have mountains of evidence and information. I am also curious as to if you are on the UVa campus you are on as not one person has come to our office to request resources already submitted by past research.

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"What I find amusing about your post is your assumption that all MTR is done by Massey (I'm trying to interview people on both sides of this issue (environmentalists and Massey employees/wives)). The fact of the matter is Massey is just one of many companies that facilitate their escavation of coal with the practice."
You're being pretty rough on a college kid who is just interested in learning more about the situation. She might have said Massey since the post was in response to Massey wife.
"I too have wrote a thesis on the evolving situation and have utilized several individuals posts (and have paid for locations from this service provider). People would be surprised to learn that the majority of the posters on this forum come from very few computers and that several of these identities floating around here are actually the same persons."
Not everybody has their own computer. sometimes more than one person uses a computer.
"I find that the environmentalist as you have dubbed them post under several names with the same computer address and computer name as recorded by this service."
This is no big PhD surprise! Although you said thesis, not dissertation. If more than one person uses the same computer, of course they have the same computer address and computer name.
"I have also found that the environmentalist refuse to disclose their sources of funding while the mining side of the debate does not have any private funding other than their very own salaries."
First of all, "the environmentalist?" if you are doing such high level research i don't think you can get away with lumping every person concerned about MTR into one person. Won't disclose their sources of funding? that is a pretty easy research project...funders list where their funding went to each year, and most non profits also acknowledge where their funding came from. That funding IS their salary! And miner's have their salaries. Both sides are being paid to some degree for their work. I'm really not sure what point you were trying to make except that you must not have actually started your research yet. Who are you funded by?
"While doing my research I have also found several claims from the enviromentalist to be just outright false and misleading and have also found that the researchers at WVU who feed these misconceptions are being funded by certain industry to publish findings."
"the environmentalist" which one are you talking about? there are a lot of environmentalists, some of which actually care about the impacts of MTR on people and communities and not just mayflies. And again, im very confused about WVU....there is a lot of funding from coal at WVU and many of the profs work with the mining industry or on the surface mining board.
Realize also how ridiculous you sound talking about "the environmentalist" being funded by "a certain industry." First of all, as I already mentioned above, I don't think you have much of a grasp of the coal politics at WVU, and second, look at the coal industry and what it finances.
"I am willing to give you an interview. Want to meet in Charlottesville lets say in December? I am out of the country until mid December and I have mountains of evidence and information. I am also curious as to if you are on the UVa campus you are on as not one person has come to our office to request resources already submitted by past research.

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What I find amusing about your post is your assumption that all MTR is done by Massey (I'm trying to interview people on both sides of this issue (environmentalists and Massey employees/wives)). The fact of the matter is Massey is just one of many companies that facilitate their escavation of coal with the practice. I too have wrote a thesis on the evolving situation and have utilized several individuals posts (and have paid for locations from this service provider). People would be surprised to learn that the majority of the posters on this forum come from very few computers and that several of these identities floating around here are actually the same persons. I find that the environmentalist as you have dubbed them post under several names with the same computer address and computer name as recorded by this service. I have also found that the environmentalist refuse to disclose their sources of funding while the mining side of the debate does not have any private funding other than their very own salaries. While doing my research I have also found several claims from the enviromentalist to be just outright false and misleading and have also found that the researchers at WVU who feed these misconceptions are being funded by certain industry to publish findings. I am willing to give you an interview. Want to meet in Charlottesville lets say in December? I am out of the country until mid December and I have mountains of evidence and information. I am also curious as to if you are on the UVa campus you are on as not one person has come to our office to request resources already submitted by past research.