Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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ELH

Portland, OR

#145699 Jun 12, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>What planet have you been hanging out on? The "Feds" have been convinced for more than a year now that DOMA is unconstitutional to the point that it is a complete waste of time trying to defend it. They have been working on plans to ensure that same sex couples will receive all of the federal rights, benefits, protections etc to which they are entitled and they will roll out in very short order once that silly law is finally declared dead.
The internet makes it easy for Bruno. He can completely avoid reality by sticking to "trusted" website, email and news reports that will feed him the "news" he wants to hear. Bruno is LUCKY since it's so easy to hang on to idiotic delusions in the electronic age.
ELH

Portland, OR

#145700 Jun 12, 2012
Bill Of Rights wrote:
<quoted text>
But ELH,Don't you recognize the sock puppet of our dear old Doctor Douche! You should see "IT" in all her glory in the "Prove there's a god" thread! Can't you just feel his Christian love? Just like the love of the good Reverend Phelps! LOL
I feel the "love" alright.... Now he's a man trapped in a lesbians body or a lesbian trapped in a mans body...Calims MULTIPLE "PERSONALITIES" too. Though I have yet to notice even one personality.

These latest (kiMare) posts are sounding like he is off his psych medication AND his hormones Creepy right?
ELH

Portland, OR

#145701 Jun 12, 2012
Silent_______Assassin wrote:
SQUAWK!
Hey Dr Assassin, Are you are trying boring us to death with your stale predictable claptrap? Would you consider actually being silent?
ELH

Portland, OR

#145702 Jun 12, 2012
KiMare wrote:
I asked for specific studies between biological parents and gay couples parenting. You posted none.
I asked for a spacific link to the sites where I can find all those poor infertile married heterosexual christian couples who are forced to wait YEARS to adopt a child. You posted none.
ELH

Portland, OR

#145703 Jun 12, 2012
KiMare wrote:
Marriage is a evolutionary, historical, religious and cultural identity that defines a unique and important relationship like no other.
That relationship harbors the fruit of humanity and the reunion of genders. No other relationship does so. Not a single one.
To impose a imposter relationship that does none of the above is nothing more than denial.
Yes marriage is so great then why do the half of them fail? I guess there are plenty of heterosexual 'imposter' relationships...better get ORGANIZE to STOP the REAL threat to our most 'sacred' relationship.

And YOU sure are a "expert" on marriage. Are you married yourself? Ever been married? Engaged? Gone steady?

LOL, I didn't think so! But I have notices that the biggest loud mouths often lack personal experience. I guess it's easier d to spend 24/7 defending marriage and family when you don't have either. So don't let being clueless prevent you from ranting your OP{INION over and over and over and over...
ELH

Portland, OR

#145704 Jun 12, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I honestly don't care what you do in your bedroom or elsewhere.
I'm simply stating reality. Something I have every right to do so and will continue to do so.
You and your partner are not married. It is a flagrant fallacy to say so. It is a physical impossibility. It is a idiotic denial of cultural and religious history. It is a distortion of definition that makes the word 'marriage' meaningless.
I honestly don't care what you don't do in your bedroom or elsewhere.

I'm simply stating reality. Something I have every right to do so and will continue to do so.

You can't even get a willing partner. It is a flagrant fallacy to say you can. It is a physical impossibility. It is a idiotic denial of cultural and religious history to think that ANYONE you isn't severely mentally ill would marry a loon like you.

You would have to PAY someone to marry you which is a distortion of definition that makes the word 'marriage' meaningless.
ELH

Portland, OR

#145705 Jun 12, 2012
Sir Doctor 3 wrote:
<quoted text>Good, I hope that it is reparative therapy time. Take your time. 10 years is the minimum period for a profound change.
Ten years of trolling gay websites as a self hating 'repaired' homosexual and you still have PAID sex with rent boys. You are NOT 'repaired' you are repressed.

You've been trolling here long enough, it's time to go back to looking at porn.
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#145706 Jun 12, 2012
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really.
There's about as many polygamists as there are albino mountain gorillas so it really doesn't come up on the Dan radar Chief.
That's true and you'll probably never have the extreme displeasure (to you as a bigot) of ever meeting one. So why such hostility towards them?

Is it the Mormon thing? Or just me? YUK!YUK!YUK!
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#145707 Jun 12, 2012
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry Ace but for someone not to recognize a threat from a slice of advice doesn't impress me that they were once decorated combat veterans let alone your demeanor in here.
As it is it brings no points to you as well given we're in an anonymous format where someone can claim they're Spiderman on his day off so I'd stop with that nonsense.
Why didn't you serve? Protecting our freedom is only for suckers? You were scared? Why?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#145708 Jun 12, 2012
KiMare wrote:
Marriage is a evolutionary, historical, religious and cultural identity that defines a unique and important relationship like no other.
That relationship harbors the fruit of humanity and the reunion of genders. No other relationship does so. Not a single one.
To impose a imposter relationship that does none of the above is nothing more than denial.
ELH wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes marriage is so great then why do the half of them fail? I guess there are plenty of heterosexual 'imposter' relationships...better get ORGANIZE to STOP the REAL threat to our most 'sacred' relationship.
And YOU sure are a "expert" on marriage. Are you married yourself? Ever been married? Engaged? Gone steady?
LOL, I didn't think so! But I have notices that the biggest loud mouths often lack personal experience. I guess it's easier d to spend 24/7 defending marriage and family when you don't have either. So don't let being clueless prevent you from ranting your OP{INION over and over and over and over...
First, none of your ad hominem attack against me changes the reality of what I posted, does it?

Second, get your facts right. Half of marriages don't fail.

Third, I have been married for nearly 37 years. Two sons, and over ten foster children over the years. My professional career has focused on family, including foster, adoption, and yes divorce.

You have no argument about what I posted, because there is no argument against reality.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#145709 Jun 12, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
I have never said that polygamy seeks greater protection. I said your statement that it does is ridiculous and I repeat it now.
You have conceded that three or more is greater than two. One only needs be able to count in order to see that polygamists seek greater protection of the law for three or more persons.

Would you care to answer whether you are actually making a legitimate argument for polygamy, or if you are just foolish enough to think that you have a valid argument against gay marriage here?
Frank Rizzo wrote:
What inept argument is that?
Why, polygamy, of course.
Frank Rizzo wrote:
Of course I never said polygamy seeks greater protection because it doesn't. And I certainly didn't "admit" it. Dishonest much?
Why is it that people who make this argument cannot count?
Frank Rizzo wrote:
Eskimos, being a race of a few thousand people, have the SAME protection as Asians, a race of many million people.
And your point is what, exactly? The constitution guarantees equal protection of the law for all persons.
Frank Rizzo wrote:
Just like a 2 person marriage and a 3 person marriage have the SAME protection. A poly marriage doesn't "seek greater protection" it seeks equal protection you moron.
3>2, it is not equal to two.
Frank Rizzo wrote:
My argument for polygamy is there is no valid argument against it, just like my argument for same sex marriage.
The valid argument against it is that it seeks inherently greater protection of the law, of course; a fact that has been upheld, time and time again, in court.

Would you care to come back to the topic at hand and offer a valid argument on the topic?
Frank Rizzo wrote:
Oh you mean just like homosexuals right now in most states have equal protection of the law to may marry one of the opposite sex just like everyone else.
Of course, this is merely another logical fallacy. There is no rational basis to limit the legal protections of marriage to being between a man and a woman, thereby expressly abridging the rights of same sex couples unconstitutionally.

Read the 14th Amendment.
Frank Rizzo wrote:
If it's wrong for homosexuals, why isn't its wrong for polyamorists?
Well, let us think about this a moment. Homosexuals seek equal protection of the law to marry the adult consenting same sex partner of their choosing, which is equal to marriage as allowed in every state in the union. Those seeking polygamy seek greater protection for three or more people, which is not allowed in any state of the union.
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#145710 Jun 12, 2012
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry Ace but for someone not to recognize a threat from a slice of advice doesn't impress me that they were once decorated combat veterans let alone your demeanor in here.
As it is it brings no points to you as well given we're in an anonymous format where someone can claim they're Spiderman on his day off so I'd stop with that nonsense.
That's what Tony Soprano would often say, It's not a threat! It's "advice".

So you love me so much you're giving me advice on how to avoid getting beaten with a baseball bat by you? No one really believes that Dan. You repeatedly threaten me because you get frustrated and angry when you cannot effectively rebut my posts.

What does it say about you, keyboard tough guy?
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#145711 Jun 12, 2012
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
You have conceded that three or more is greater than two. One only needs be able to count in order to see that polygamists seek greater protection of the law for three or more persons.
Would you care to answer whether you are actually making a legitimate argument for polygamy, or if you are just foolish enough to think that you have a valid argument against gay marriage here?
<quoted text>
Why, polygamy, of course.
<quoted text>
Why is it that people who make this argument cannot count?
<quoted text>
And your point is what, exactly? The constitution guarantees equal protection of the law for all persons.
<quoted text>
3>2, it is not equal to two.
<quoted text>
The valid argument against it is that it seeks inherently greater protection of the law, of course; a fact that has been upheld, time and time again, in court.
Would you care to come back to the topic at hand and offer a valid argument on the topic?
<quoted text>
Of course, this is merely another logical fallacy. There is no rational basis to limit the legal protections of marriage to being between a man and a woman, thereby expressly abridging the rights of same sex couples unconstitutionally.
Read the 14th Amendment.
<quoted text>
Well, let us think about this a moment. Homosexuals seek equal protection of the law to marry the adult consenting same sex partner of their choosing, which is equal to marriage as allowed in every state in the union. Those seeking polygamy seek greater protection for three or more people, which is not allowed in any state of the union.
You're a real riot! What ridiculous nonsense.

A 3 person marriage seeks the SAME protection as a 2 person marriage, nothing more. Get it? Got it? Good.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#145712 Jun 12, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
You repeatedly threaten me because you get frustrated and angry when you cannot effectively rebut my posts.
Actually, often your posts rebut themselves since they fail to rise to the level of having a rational basis.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#145713 Jun 12, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
You're a real riot! What ridiculous nonsense.
A 3 person marriage seeks the SAME protection as a 2 person marriage, nothing more. Get it? Got it? Good.
I don't know that I can help you. If you are incapable of counting beyond two, then that is your own deficiency. Ann intelligent person could understand that 3 or more is inherently greater than two, and that polygamists seek greater protection of the law for three or more persons.

Do you legitimately mean to make a case for polygamy, or are you actually dim enough to think this is a valid argument against same sex marriage?
Dan

Roseville, CA

#145715 Jun 12, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
That's true and you'll probably never have the extreme displeasure (to you as a bigot) of ever meeting one. So why such hostility towards them?
Is it the Mormon thing? Or just me? YUK!YUK!YUK!
Just you.

Because I've never shown hostility towards polygamists. It would make about as much sense as me showing hostility towards Casper the Friendly Ghost moron due to the fact neither is in my world.

LOL!!!
Dan

Roseville, CA

#145716 Jun 12, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Why didn't you serve? Protecting our freedom is only for suckers? You were scared? Why?
As it is you failed to convince me you did so I need not answer.
Dan

Roseville, CA

#145717 Jun 12, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
That's what Tony Soprano would often say, It's not a threat! It's "advice".
So you love me so much you're giving me advice on how to avoid getting beaten with a baseball bat by you? No one really believes that Dan. You repeatedly threaten me because you get frustrated and angry when you cannot effectively rebut my posts.
What does it say about you, keyboard tough guy?
Of course.

What else happens in your world?
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#145718 Jun 12, 2012
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know that I can help you. If you are incapable of counting beyond two, then that is your own deficiency. Ann intelligent person could understand that 3 or more is inherently greater than two, and that polygamists seek greater protection of the law for three or more persons.
Do you legitimately mean to make a case for polygamy, or are you actually dim enough to think this is a valid argument against same sex marriage?
No I have no case against same sex marriage. I see no harm in it and I support it.

I get this over and over, accusations that I am against same sex marriage. It's irrational. Why would I support polygamy but not same sex marriage? I'll answer for you- You're paranoid and you are afraid I'm pulling the slippery slope argument. That argument has little merit. Right? Right. It's easily countered. Perhaps you should do that instead of irrationally avoiding it with your "greater protection" nonsense.
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#145719 Jun 12, 2012
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
As it is you failed to convince me you did so I need not answer.
I'm not trying to convince you. Just saying you are threatening to beat up an old veteran, maybe shame you a little bit, tough guy. But I guess you have no shame.

Answer my question, why didn't you serve?

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