United Nations peacekeepers sought for Juarez: 2 groups say aid...

What we need is the UN to watch over elections in the Red States..

Geez, what an idiot...let's see...areas with the MOST Voting irregularities...uuummmm..yeps ..Demorcrat Controlled areas...Chicago,(ACORN and 'even the dead vote")...Miami/Dade County....Democrat controlled...

So instead, what we need is a group to monitor idiots like you Petro...

Petro wrote:

What we need is the UN to watch over elections in the Red States..

The problem is that UN Peacekeepers are not for enforcement of laws but simply for monitoring agreements between two parties. Where's the agreement between the cartels and the Mexican government?

We have the mayor worried about the NM mountains and Orourke worried about Juarez, who in the heck were they elected to represent?

Orourke in his eternal charge of the windmill has once again tried to grab the headlines in an effort to make himself revelvant on the international stage. That is the State Departments responsibility. He has enough difficulty handling the 8th district. He is not qualified, experienced NOR elected to interfere in the affairs of a foreign country. He tries to distract you by calling Juarez, the sister city, just what we need more bad PR. He apparently doesnt know the sister city program is for commercial and cultural exchanges NOT political intervention.

Them little blue helmets worn by the UN Peacekeepers make awfully good targets.

Thats baloney they sent a ship to gulf war 1, Thats all they need to send . One ship with warrior spirt is worth more than 5 us ships.

Anything that is not run by the Mexican government is a good thing. No one should be fooled into thinking that the Mexican government is trying to fix the problems in Mexico. They have too much at stake. They get rid of the cartels and there goes all the money that the corrupt politicians support the fancy lives of their families with.

Within the next year or so, United States soldiers will have to intervene as well. This war for drugs cannot go on forever. This is killing the Mexican economy and is sure to bring nothing but problems to the US. If we think we have illegal immigration issues right now, just wait until the unemployment out there goes out of control. Wait until people start dying out there for lack of food or money. The businesses are all being hit heavily. All of these businesses have spent a lifetime paying extortion money to the government (you can call it government or cartels are one in the same).

The Mexican country is beyond repair. The US either has the responsibility to get involved directly or to completely pull out all support of Mexico. This would include any financial support or anything else.

Mexico requires a new government. Mexico needs a revolution.

I returned to the "sister cities" area in 2007 after a thirty-year absence. I expected change, but the deterioration of Juarez still strikes me with the horror of a surrealistic nightmare. I keep hoping I'll awaken and be able to stroll down Avenida Juarez to visit one of my old favorite cafes of the seventies. A double-shot espresso would be required to clear my mind of the grim images of such a bad dream. Unfortunately, I've now been drinking espresso for about three years, and Avenida Juarez gets more nightmarish by the cup.

The UN Peacekeepers would be way ahead of me if they could now clearly distinguish between the remaining legitimate businesses and the cartel(s).
As previously mentioned, there is no agreement between any two clearly defined parties for the UN to monitor.
However, the sister who hangs out on the north side of the Rio Bravo is taking an unwarranted attitude of self-righteousness toward the situation. And that pretense of El Pasoans appearing to take the high moral ground is something that has NOT changed since my early days in the area.
El Paso continues to whine that its only problem is that nasty old girl on the south side of the river.
Let's do a reality check. The chaos in Juarez is financed by the world's leading consumer of drugs - those angels to the north. And how long does anybody need to figure out where all the arms and ammunition come from that have caused the streets of the old city I loved to become littered with thousands of corpses?
But, if it makes all you saints on the guarded side of the bridges feel better, let's all pretend that Juarez, just out of the blue, took a great notion to commit suicide.
And God forbid that any trace of crime or violence "spill over" into the country where well-fed, middle-class children blow each other away in classrooms.
Sorry folks, but I'm not convinced that the squeaky clean image that El Paso would like to maintain is due to the tougher moral fiber of people on the north side of an indifferent river.
As unemployment and other shaky economic factors pound away at the US, the violence that "spills over" into El Paso may be roving bands of unemployed people from Las Cruces.
El Paso should remove its synthetic halo and see that Juarez is indeed a sister city, and, due to difficult living conditions here on earth, all the saints have moved to heaven.

First we are NOT like you nor are your sister. You are responsible for your own failures and the lack of will to do anything for yourself.

Dont like the situation, do something. Your mayor runs to EP and leads from the rear. And the rest demand rights in the US but cower in their own country.

Corruption is an acceptable way of life in Mexico to the point, the US has to prosecute and jail the cartel members in this country because you wont do it unless someone pays you on the side.

So, why have you allowed the Mayor of Juarez and his rich friends to move over to El Paso? You don't seem to have a problem letting people in who have an abundance of money. Are you asking yourself what types of ties these people have? Before you know it, you will have the drug dealers living next door to you in good old Taco Town.

Good post JuanPabloMagno1.

PinkyandNoBrain wrote:

So, why have you allowed the Mayor of Juarez and his rich friends to move over to El Paso? You don't seem to have a problem letting people in who have an abundance of money. Are you asking yourself what types of ties these people have? Before you know it, you will have the drug dealers living next door to you in good old Taco Town.
Good post JuanPabloMagno1.

And you are right about "The neighborhood". The sad truth is, that WE, the people of El Paso or any other border city, don't have any choice in the matter. It's all politics. Like the Mexican politicos, Police, Public Officials, etc, who cannot live in their own country, so they run the Government (such as it is) from the U.S. side, where THEY are provided protection at OUR expense. Juarez is not a "Sister City". It's more like a ***TARD step-child. The Mexican Government forces it's people across the border to the U.S. and the U.S. Government FORCES the American taxpayer to support them.

You all know that one of the big pushes in Juarez and many Mexican cities is to flood the USA with as many drugs as possible. Of course, we have a huge appetite for drugs. I guess it all works out.

Sounds to me like you do have a choice. Get rid of these crooked politicians that are letting the Mexican Elite run their drug businesses from the USA, while their people suffer.

Since my post seems to have been strangely personalized by Rey, I will respond accordingly.

Estimado Rey of AOL,

Do you have any views on outside intervention to correct the problems in Juarez? I drifted from that topic since, as was already pointed out, there is no contract between any two powers or parties in Mexico for UN Peacekeepers to monitor.

Rey, your usage of the pronoun "WE" makes me wonder if you have a mouse in your pocket. And you seem to be under the mistaken impression that I represent the entire population of either Juarez or Mexico. Cool your jets. I only represent myself.

Maybe you have misunderstood the reference to "sister cities." (My own sister is quite well, thank you.) I did not invent the term "sister cities" as it is applied to El Paso and Juarez. The term has been in use for quite some time. I would suggest that the human connection is that both cities are populated by humans. If you insist that humans on one side of the river are superior to humans on the other side, you personally substantiate some of my own biases and observations. I, too, generalize and have mentioned that El Paso, from my humble point of view, has delusions of saintly grandeur. I don't know where you, personally, are located, so maybe references to El Paso are meaningless to you.

The mayor of Juarez did not ask my permission to move to El Paso. The man comes and goes without regard to me. Makes me feel like some insignificant vato just sitting here sharing views on an El Paso Times forum. This site invites participation, so I'm simply accepting the invitation. At the moment, I'm neither cowering in one country nor demanding rights in another.

I'm not sure what to make of the reference to the mayor of Juarez and his "rich friends." I don't know of any major world city that has an impoverished mayor. Check out the expense of campaigning. If you want to run for political office in the US and have no rich friends, you better get busy and make a few.

What would you suggest I do about the Juarez situation? My power is pretty much limited to selecting the tortillas I want at the local Rapidito. Maybe you have more powerful international connections and can implement some final solution that suits you. While you are correcting the situation in Juarez, see what you can do about Afghanistan. Personally, I'm selecting the freshest tortillas I can find.

Corruption exists just about anywhere in the world, whether or not corruption is accepted. We are told that it began with ancient Greek politicians, then worked its way into Roman affairs. The Romans made corruption pretty much a global affair.

Your idea about paying me on the side to jail people is tempting. Too bad I have neither the power nor the authority to jail anybody. Do you?

I'm puzzled by the strange assumption that mayors ask my permission where to go and that the failures or successes of any city or nation are dependent on my immediate actions.

All the best Rey, and let me know when you've solved the problems in Juarez and Afghanistan.

This is interesting. I knew there were biases against Mexico, but this display of it is overwhelming. I suppose the intensity is increased by the currently floundering economy of the US. I realize that CNN boldly announces that "the recession is over," but people who continue to lose their jobs and homes may not be convinced.

It is clear that my present company on this forum is unwilling to accept any responsibility for the US being the world's chief consumer of drugs and supplier of arms. That's interesting.

I was blithely instructed to admit my failures and block the passage of the Juarez mayor to El Paso, but when I suggest US responsibility for demanding drugs and supplying arms, my suggestion falls on deaf ears.

I get it: In some peculiar way, I have the power to tell the mayor of Juarez what to do and I have the power to jail cartel bosses, but nobody in the US has the power to quit consuming drugs or cease the selling of arms. The rush of power I feel from these peculiar expressions of bias is sensational. I, alone, on this forum have been told that the responsibility for the problems and solutions rests solely on my shoulders. Caray.

OK, folks. I'll get right on that task of solving Mexico's problems and I will undo any effect those problems have had on the US. All of you can just sit back and relax while I assume governmental and moral authority over a nation of millions.

Hey, would one of you loan me a cell phone so I can call the mayor and tell him go get back to Juarez.

What a fascinating bunch of people.

Thanks, PinkyandNoBrain, for the compliment. I need all the moral support I can get on this forum.

I have to say that I think we need to take responsibility for our part in this whole mess.

W/r to whether we can keep the Juarez mayor in Juarez, the reality is that the guy does as he pleases and we let him and help him. Still think we need to make him and his buddies stay in Mexico to take care of their mess.

W/r the crazy people on the blogs. This is the USA, and all people are entitled to their opinions. I have to say that although I disagree many times with many people, I cannot say that they are wrong. I can only say that we disagree.

Don't expect to change the thinking of people. Voice your opinion and keep your stance until proven wrong.

Hang in there. These are some of the nice people.

PiinkyandNoBrain wrote:

You all know that one of the big pushes in Juarez and many Mexican cities is to flood the USA with as many drugs as possible. Of course, we have a huge appetite for drugs. I guess it all works out.
Sounds to me like you do have a choice. Get rid of these crooked politicians that are letting the Mexican Elite run their drug businesses from the USA, while their people suffer.

But yes, Pinky, these "people" letting this happen are also YOUR people. This is the Federal Government that lets these criminals come across the border. Even tho the local politicos are buddy, buddy with them, aiding and assisting, it's the Federal Government that lets it happen, has the processes to make it happen.

You are getting no arguement here. We've allowed these guys to allow a mess to come into another mess.

We do however have to take responsibility for where we are and stop blaming the illegals, the afghanistan people, the chickens, the frogs, the rocks, the earth.

Rey wrote:

First we are NOT like you nor are your sister. You are responsible for your own failures and the lack of will to do anything for yourself.
Dont like the situation, do something. Your mayor runs to EP and leads from the rear. And the rest demand rights in the US but cower in their own country.
Corruption is an acceptable way of life in Mexico to the point, the US has to prosecute and jail the cartel members in this country because you wont do it unless someone pays you on the side.

Well said.

SPEARCHUCKER EL MAYATE wrote:

HOW DARE MEXICO ASK THE UN FOR ANYTHING ,MEXICO A COUNTRY WHO HAS NEVER SENT PEACE KEEPERS(THE MEXICAN ARMY ANYWHERE)NO COUNTRY SHOULD HELP MEXICO ,MEXICO HAS NEVER DONE CRAP FOR THE UN FOR THE WORLD.LOOK WHAT MEXICO HAS DONE TO MY COUNTRY AMERICA.

Surprise I agree with you.

PinkyandtheMexicanBrain wrote:

Anything that is not run by the Mexican government is a good thing. No one should be fooled into thinking that the Mexican government is trying to fix the problems in Mexico. They have too much at stake. They get rid of the cartels and there goes all the money that the corrupt politicians support the fancy lives of their families with.
Within the next year or so, United States soldiers will have to intervene as well. This war for drugs cannot go on forever. This is killing the Mexican economy and is sure to bring nothing but problems to the US. If we think we have illegal immigration issues right now, just wait until the unemployment out there goes out of control. Wait until people start dying out there for lack of food or money. The businesses are all being hit heavily. All of these businesses have spent a lifetime paying extortion money to the government (you can call it government or cartels are one in the same).
The Mexican country is beyond repair. The US either has the responsibility to get involved directly or to completely pull out all support of Mexico. This would include any financial support or anything else.
Mexico requires a new government. Mexico needs a revolution.

No Revolution. We just have to keep doing what we are doing. Let them solve their own problems. We want a stable southern neighbor. The violence is only with the ones involved in the business. Let them sort it out themselves.

Your right the citizens of this country have an appetite for illegal substances. This is our problem and we have to be on top of it.

Mexico's government is working to solve the problem and has finally gotten involved. A long ways off but I truly believe a country has to solve their own problems with as little outside help as possible.