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Get -er -done!

Middle of the road wrote:

Get -er -done!

I'll second that!

don't remove these grate works that were down by the grate builders of this country and these dams were part of it,save the future of this country.
remember that everything else has been stolen and shipped over to china.
these dams are the only thing they can,t ship over there so there agents wants you to destroy them.
wake up people!... the last 2 months along the trade deficit with china was over 120 billion with the ''B''DOLLARS and you do not hear this on the national media

economics 101.... where's the money come from on a bond measure???

Jackson wrote:

economics 101.... where's the money come from on a bond measure???

If this removal process had been done right, the owners of the dams would have had to pay for the removal. Only problem is, at the last re -licensing no one had the foresight to require the owner to pay for removal if it's deemed necessary.

So now to save what's left of the salmon we’re forced to pay for the removal.

Same situation down on the Eel. Bush and his cronies re -licensed the diversion dam without any future protections for the fish and/or your pocketbook.

saveourcountry wrote:

don't remove these grate works that were down by the grate builders of this country and these dams were part of it,save the future of this country.
remember that everything else has been stolen and shipped over to china.
these dams are the only thing they can,t ship over there so there agents wants you to destroy them.
wake up people!... the last 2 months along the trade deficit with china was over 120 billion with the ''B''DOLLARS and you do not hear this on the national media

wtf are you talking about? first off learn how to read, then learn how to spell. Great not grate. second wtf are you talking about.

when the bureaucrats and lawyers sell us out, just remember...
Hayduke Lives

How do the enviros balance their want to remove the dams with their historic preservation side. Aren't the dams historic structures?

saveourcountry wrote:

don't remove these grate works that were down by the grate builders of this country and these dams were part of it,save the future of this country.
remember that everything else has been stolen and shipped over to china.
these dams are the only thing they can,t ship over there so there agents wants you to destroy them.
wake up people!... the last 2 months along the trade deficit with china was over 120 billion with the ''B''DOLLARS and you do not hear this on the national media

Please, for the sake of us all, STOP, just stop. My grandfather was an engineer on many California dams. The work these men did was a great accomplishment for THIER time. In OUR time, we have found them to be destructive to OUR planets health.

save the dams wrote:

How do the enviros balance their want to remove the dams with their historic preservation side. Aren't the dams historic structures?

History is a personal perception. Most people in Caulifornia would agree Sutter’s Fort is a historical monument. Few people would view the old Kneeland dump as historical. It’s all in ones own perception! Me, the salmon are more important butt what do I know, I thought the salmon I caught up Freshwater when I was a kid were a big deal.

Now let me get this straight. Just a year ago the cry from the Marxist was the runoff from farms and cattle ranches upstream were killing the fish and vegetation and now it's not toxic to dump downstream? I hope the folks downstream have their lawyers lined up to sue us suckers paying for this boondoggle though taxes and increased electricity rates that Pacific Power will have to pay for the cost of the majority of the removal process...

Great news!

Jeffrey Lytle
McKinleyville - 5th District

save the dams wrote:

How do the enviros balance their want to remove the dams with their historic preservation side. Aren't the dams historic structures?

So was the Berlin Wall, but it had to go.

PS:'Enviros' aren't generally concerned with historic preservation of the works of man...

Yeah! I can't wait for this to get going so we can save our salmon. Lets all keep up the pressure for a good plan for dam removal and restoration of habitat! And just think of all the jobs that this will bring to our area, and afterwards we can all go fishing!!

Gosh darn educated types wasting my tax moneys on mud?! Could be spent blowin up muzzies I tell ya what bobby.

tomtom wrote:

Now let me get this straight. Just a year ago the cry from the Marxist was the runoff from farms and cattle ranches upstream were killing the fish and vegetation and now it's not toxic to dump downstream? I hope the folks downstream have their lawyers lined up to sue us suckers paying for this boondoggle though taxes and increased electricity rates that Pacific Power will have to pay for the cost of the majority of the removal process...

If I understand you correctly, the people/corporation creating the problem shouldn't be held liable for damages their dams are causing?

Let me guess, you're a repubican, right?

Take the dams out, or mitigate their damages. And I don’t mean pay a few bucks to the fisherman who have lost their livelihood, I mean return the salmon population it the river to historic levels at whatever the cost.

save the dams wrote:

How do the enviros balance their want to remove the dams with their historic preservation side. Aren't the dams historic structures?

Salmon and steelhead redds (fish nests) above Irongate Dam are historic structures. Let the fish spawn. Why were no fish ladders incorporated in the first place. Engineers are paid to build and not think?

Harry wrote:

<quoted text>Salmon and steelhead redds (fish nests) above Irongate Dam are historic structures. Let the fish spawn. Why were no fish ladders incorporated in the first place. Engineers are paid to build and not think?

Fish ladders don't work on large dams. The young salmon and steelhead die from thermal pollution, get lost in the lakes created by the dams because there's no moving water to guide them and/or none -native species eat them.

saveourcountry wrote:

don't remove these grate works that were down by the grate builders of this country and these dams were part of it,save the future of this country.
remember that everything else has been stolen and shipped over to china.
these dams are the only thing they can,t ship over there so there agents wants you to destroy them.
wake up people!... the last 2 months along the trade deficit with china was over 120 billion with the ''B''DOLLARS and you do not hear this on the national media

Tear down the dams and sell the pieces to china. Just get er done. Take down the dams and let the fish swim upstream again!

Middle of the road wrote:

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Fish ladders don't work on large dams. The young salmon and steelhead die from thermal pollution, get lost in the lakes created by the dams because there's no moving water to guide them and/or none -native species eat them.

My point in the previous point. Engineers understand engineering, but don't understand salmon biology. They now have to modify dams to increase "attractant flows" at the mouth of the fish ladders by building more cement structures to direct more water concentrated at fish ladder entrances to attract fish to the ladder.

Engineers understand how to build shit, but don't have much understanding of nature and how it fits in with the shit they build. Why are the fish having a hard time, engineering wonders like dams and water diversions engineered by smart, but nature ignorant, engineers. And even with Iron Gate Hatchery the disease associated with the hatchery operation is partly responsible for the fish losses. You can't engineer a good replacement for nature, and fish do need water.