Christianity - WHY ? ? ?

It hasn't worked for 2000 years.

Have you tried it? Give your heart to Jesus and things really do get better. I know satan fights us daily but WITHOUT Jesus you'll never have a chance....Prayer is the answer

I pray all the time.

I'm not sure about the whole Jesus thing.

and yeah I tried it for your imfo.

It was worse than a bad case of crabs.

I'm content with my life. Why do I need Christ and the Bible ?

are you sure wrote:

Have you tried it?

How will being a Christian improve my life?

fyi wrote:

It hasn't worked for 2000 years.

"If Christianity is so great, why do some Christians live decidedly

non-Christian lives?"

fyi wrote:

It hasn't worked for 2000 years.

You don't have to believe in God; he believe's in you.

I am thankful to have him in my life. Granted I am not the most christianly of persons. I am a sinner and do many things wrong. I work to better myself and ask God to help me.

I belive in him because he has shown me many times to be real. He has been with me when I have fallen, and when I have risen (with his help). I am glad to know that I am not alone in this world.

My question is why would you want to discourage those from believing? What point does it serve?

Can Christianity really affect my life more than the sayings of

Confucious (or any other way of life)?" If God is a God of love ,

where is the love in the world today?"

I believe wrote:

You don't have to believe in God; he believe's in you.

What point does it serve?

I believe wrote:

My question is why would you want to discourage those from believing? What point does it serve?

Because it is about time people start basing their lives on facts and reality rather than superstition and fairy tales. More so it's time for people to stop using their superstitions and fairy tales to dictate everyone else's life. How many laws are in place simply because 'the bible says so'? I'm not referring to murder and theft either.

But its my belief...just as your's is. I will not try to persuade you from believing. God is love, it is people who do not. God gave us free will, he chose not to control us becuase we needed to reach our own conclusions. God wants us to love him, not for him to make us love him. Due to this we control our own behavior. God can not keep us from committing atrocities, as he gave us a choice, we must join together and stop atrocities as human beings with different beliefs.

I have to agree with "Mjollnir." For ages we have been blindly told "follow Christ." Would you blindly follow me? I think not! Because if you did, all the girls would be dancing naked with me and there'd be one hell of a love-in!(All the guys would be sent home!)
People are finally waking up the the scientific fact that the end is just that, "the end." Our lives are here and now. Not when we die. I've always felt that people in those days had a hard time believing that there was no purpose for life in general, so they invented an invisible God, to tell your troubles to. Not to mention an afterlife, that would soothe us in our final days. Kids can find the same relief talking to their "imaginary friend" because it is essentially the same.
People...grow up, get wise. See life for what it really is!!! If Jesus has a problem with me saying this, than let him come to me and we'll work something out!!!

Churches use scare tactics to try and make money jump out of your pocket.

No thank you, I'll keep mine.

Just stick to the old ladies S.S. checks.

Where is God when this is taking place in his house?

If it's a test to see if I am stupid......well lets just say I still have my money.

leo wrote:

"If Christianity is so great, why do some Christians live decidedly
non-Christian lives?"
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There is true and false in everything in life. Many different reasons why people put on the christianity face without sincerety. When you become a believer, as with everything in life, it is what you put into it, the decisions you make that makes you committed to something. Everyone has a god. Just not everyone has The God. One person is committed to making money, another is committed to good times. Another may be committed to a person and cannot imagine life without them to extreme. These are their gods. Whatever you place above The Lord is your god. Each individual breathes life into their belief system. Some choose the narrow path, some choose earthly treasures. Sadly, some put on the christian face just for show. They, for some reason feel as though they are doing the right thing, but all it does is make the sincere ones questionable. We are supposed to show outside what we are inside, and most people do. You can tell if someone has truly given their heart to Jesus or not. They may call themselves saved, or christian, but they are not.

Mjollnir wrote:

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Because it is about time people start basing their lives on facts and reality rather than superstition and fairy tales. More so it's time for people to stop using their superstitions and fairy tales to dictate everyone else's life. How many laws are in place simply because 'the bible says so'? I'm not referring to murder and theft either.

Start listing the laws that are in place because the bible says so. Some laws may coincide with the 10 commandments, but no one says you have to follow them. The truth is imbedded in your heart. You know when you have done wrong. The knowledge of right and wrong are inside you. People may not want to admit this, but they know when they have done wrong, as they know when they are doing right. Most people just push it out of their minds and go on. Occassionally it pops up in their minds, they get that little twinge of guilt, but is pushed back into oblivion. This is the generation of "if it feels good, then do it, to heck with authority, respect, kindness, who cares if what I do hurts 10 others." It is also an age of anonymity. Like here for instance, you can say what you want about anyone and anything. Hey, it's just an opinion, right? People talk themselves into doing what they want. Satan isn't a guy dressed in red, with tail, pitchfork etc. He is the "false light". He appears as light and spiritual enlightenment, or he appears as something that feels so good. Or he appears as scientific fact. There are as many scientists that have come to the conclusion that there is a God and after life as there is that do not believe. Look into it. Some very highly respected scientists and philosophers have concluded there is a God. Satan is the ultimate wolf in sheeps clothing. That is why we are instructed to test all that we hear and see.

The Case for Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus by Lee Strobel. He has several books where he has interviewed scholars. He set out to prove there was no God, instead became a Christian after considering all the evidence. A good place to start for anyone with questions. He asks creation questions to each of these scholars, among many other hard to answer questions. Also, the darwinian theory is just that. Darwin at his death admitted he was wrong. Scientists don't believe the theory any longer, they have other big theories out there now, big bang etc. But ultimately, they are all theories and cannot be proven. So therefore they are also myths, I guess it is just the "myth" you choose to breath life into with your belief. Because if you don't believe, then it isn't so for you. There is only one way to survive this world. This world is Satans, so of course most of it's inhabitants will follow the god of the world.

fyi wrote:

It hasn't worked for 2000 years.

That's funny, to say something hasn't worked for 2000 years.
Reminds me of Richard Pryor when he said, "I ain't gunna get hooked to cocaine. My friend's been doing it for 20 years, he ain't hooked!"
Christianity has to work. Jesus said "I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

I believe wrote:

Can Christianity really affect my life more than the sayings of
Confucious (or any other way of life)?" If God is a God of love ,
where is the love in the world today?"
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I would say the difference is a singular one. Following Confucious entails what you know. Christianty is based on whom you know. So the question is also singular: Can your life be more affected by what you know or by a person? An atheist, I think, would choose option 1. It's all about what you know. If that's true, then Ken Jennings would be one of the happiest people in the world.

Where is the love in the world today? Have you not seen any love in the world?

The REAL Truth wrote:

I have to agree with "Mjollnir." For ages we have been blindly told "follow Christ." Would you blindly follow me? I think not! Because if you did, all the girls would be dancing naked with me and there'd be one hell of a love-in!(All the guys would be sent home!)
People are finally waking up the the scientific fact that the end is just that, "the end." Our lives are here and now. Not when we die. I've always felt that people in those days had a hard time believing that there was no purpose for life in general, so they invented an invisible God, to tell your troubles to. Not to mention an afterlife, that would soothe us in our final days. Kids can find the same relief talking to their "imaginary friend" because it is essentially the same.
People...grow up, get wise. See life for what it really is!!! If Jesus has a problem with me saying this, than let him come to me and we'll work something out!!!

It's a shallow concept you have IMO. Asking why someone would not follow you compared to Jesus. What have you done? What claims have you made? What can you offer? Naked, dancing women with no competition? C'mon. That's just the thoughts of an insecure male in a fantasy camp. Everyone has access to that. It's nothing unique or productive. If it were you could interview all the men who visit strip clubs each weekend and see if they have true contentment. So in the final analysis, the answer is that it's unlikely anyone would follow you. You offer nothing one cannot have without following you. You are not unique, nor wise, nor has anyone written about you, nor has there been any signficant claims or contributions you've presented in which an intelligent person can weigh and determine. You do not compare with Jesus.

Secondly, if someone could invent the Christian God, he would not. If someone would, he could not. If most men are like you (and I would say they probably are and always have been), why would anyone invent a god who is wrathful and judges evil? We would rather invent a god who lives and lets live (or, in effect, remove God-think about that). And if it was all about fear of death, no young people would consider Christianity, as most youth feel they will live forever. So your argument is extremely weak. The bible is far too complex a piece of literature, written by 40 men of dozens of backgrounds over a period of 1500 years, all with a unified them and message revealing God. How can the thought of judgement "sooth" someone?

Thirdly, name one scientific fact that even hints that the end is "the end" as you say. I would be interested in this scientific fact. LOL That is hilarious. Basing your position on supposed science without realizing there is absolutely no science to prove such a thing. So if you are placing your "faith" in science, you are placing it in an area that cannot answer life's biggest question. Are you looking for science that confirms there may be something after death? We have many scientific studies in which those (non-Christians and Christians) interviewed claim they were aware of things occurring after being declared clinically dead. http://www.garyhabermas.com/qa/qa_index.htm

questionable wrote:

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The Case for Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus by Lee Strobel. He has several books where he has interviewed scholars. He set out to prove there was no God, instead became a Christian after considering all the evidence. A good place to start for anyone with questions. He asks creation questions to each of these scholars, among many other hard to answer questions. Also, the darwinian theory is just that. Darwin at his death admitted he was wrong. Scientists don't believe the theory any longer, they have other big theories out there now, big bang etc. But ultimately, they are all theories and cannot be proven. So therefore they are also myths, I guess it is just the "myth" you choose to breath life into with your belief. Because if you don't believe, then it isn't so for you. There is only one way to survive this world. This world is Satans, so of course most of it's inhabitants will follow the god of the world.

I agree with you to a certain degree. Just wanted to help you clarify before some atheist jumps on you about it.
First, Darwin did not really say he was wrong on his deathbed. This is a myth. He held firm to his position, but simply admitted more finds would have to be established before the theory could be viewed as credible. There is credible evidence of micro-evolution, but not macro-evolution. Any so-called proof of widescale monkey-to-man evolution is based on predsupposition starting with Darwin's theory and reasoned in a circular fashion. That includes dating methods. However, young earth creationists do basically the same thing from the other side. Both have good points though. I am a creationist myself.
Secondly, Big Bang cosmology is an altogether different science than evolution. Evolution does not touch upon abiogenesis (origins). Evolutionary scientists have not abandon their theory in any way, but are constantly attempting to affirm it (though without any hard evidence due to the above facts I mentioned). They will NEVER abandon this theory as no other option could exist. They've come too far with it, spent too much, are in too deep. The word theory, however, regarding evolution, is much stronger than the way the term might be employed with theorizing the way we use it outside science. Like the theory of relativity. It is theorized, but it is also factual. No other theory rivals it. It is fact, in this sense. But evolutionary theory is taken as fact by scientists in that field, and therefore the studies arise from that predisposition. If you begin with the cow providing the milk you are going to wind up with the cow.
You are right about Stobel. Good book. And "No Intelligence Required" also shows some instability within the scientific community regarding evolution. Portions of evolution are absolutely factual. Creatures do adapt to their surroundings. But it's highly possible the Creator made this so. It could NOT be proven either way. Looking ontolofically, from a design standpoint, origins, the problem of good and evil, etc. it is probable that a Creator exists. Every bit as likely, or more so, than we evolved from nothing.

Questionable, your post is so full of misinformation and nonsense that it's "questionable" whether it justifies a reply. I'm not trying to be mean here. But I have to wonder how much you have really looked into this, and how much of your post is hearsay.
The morality of the bible has been used to make laws pretty much as long as christianity has been around. Why people believe human morality stemmed from the bible is beyond me. It's as if we acted like wild animals until one day this book appears and changed the way we behave.
I'm not necessarily referring to the 10 commandments. The witch trials are a good example of biblical law but there is a modern day controversy (among many) that screams loudly of christian influence where it doesn't belong. Gay marriage. I'm not gay and I don't march along in any gay rights parade but if people want to be gay so what? I have yet to hear a decent argument against homosexuality because most of them are based on religious morality and not concern for the well being of people. Another good example is a girl named Terri Schiavo. If you're not familiar with that name google it or something. Bottom line is...religious people are constantly trying to use their beliefs to dictate EVERYONES life and behavior.
On another note, yes people do basically know the difference between right and wrong what differs is each persons idea of right and wrong. Things like murder and theft are pretty much universally believed to be wrong. Harming another living being in general is believed to be wrong by most people in most cases. I have no problem with the 'If it feels good, do it' mentality as long as no one is being harmed. I agree that some people just don't care, but how can something that is fun and feels good, but is in no way harmful, be looked at as the embodiment of satan? Only by a religious person I would think. Only a religious person would believe that a scientific fact is the manifestation of the devil. I'd say that is ridiculous but of course you would oppose something that opposes your faith. Can't explain it with logic, it must be supernatural huh? If satan is a false spiritual enlightenment then you are the satan of someone else's belief. What makes your fairy tale so superior to anyone else's? Do you not realize that other religions have the same miracle stories, the same supposedly true prophecies, the same spiritual experiences and followers with the same level of devotion and faith as you?....

questionable wrote:

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Start listing the laws that are in place because the bible says so. Some laws may coincide with the 10 commandments, but no one says you have to follow them. The truth is imbedded in your heart. You know when you have done wrong. The knowledge of right and wrong are inside you. People may not want to admit this, but they know when they have done wrong, as they know when they are doing right. Most people just push it out of their minds and go on. Occassionally it pops up in their minds, they get that little twinge of guilt, but is pushed back into oblivion. This is the generation of "if it feels good, then do it, to heck with authority, respect, kindness, who cares if what I do hurts 10 others." It is also an age of anonymity. Like here for instance, you can say what you want about anyone and anything. Hey, it's just an opinion, right? People talk themselves into doing what they want. Satan isn't a guy dressed in red, with tail, pitchfork etc. He is the "false light". He appears as light and spiritual enlightenment, or he appears as something that feels so good. Or he appears as scientific fact. There are as many scientists that have come to the conclusion that there is a God and after life as there is that do not believe. Look into it. Some very highly respected scientists and philosophers have concluded there is a God. Satan is the ultimate wolf in sheeps clothing. That is why we are instructed to test all that we hear and see.
The Case for Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus by Lee Strobel. He has several books where he has interviewed scholars. He set out to prove there was no God, instead became a Christian after considering all the evidence. A good place to start for anyone with questions. He asks creation questions to each of these scholars, among many other hard to answer questions. Also, the darwinian theory is just that. Darwin at his death admitted he was wrong. Scientists don't believe the theory any longer, they have other big theories out there now, big bang etc. But ultimately, they are all theories and cannot be proven. So therefore they are also myths, I guess it is just the "myth" you choose to breath life into with your belief. Because if you don't believe, then it isn't so for you. There is only one way to survive this world. This world is Satans, so of course most of it's inhabitants will follow the god of the world.

If the knowledge of right and wrong are already in place, why do you have to teach children right from wrong? Following your logic, they would already know.