Veteran substitute sues Broward School District over Social Sec...

Full story: South Florida Sun-Sentinel

A veteran substitute teacher has sued the Broward County School District in federal court and awaits the ruling on whether he and thousands of employees like him can begin collecting Social Security benefits.

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about time

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Feb 17, 2007
 
This should have been made a class action suit. I was a part-time adult ed teacher for many years before going full time and did not pay social security. What about the rest of us???? This better be retro for all of us!
Good going guy more scams by the school board!
Chuck

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Feb 17, 2007
 
My question is how can they NOT take social security (FICA) and medicare out of a part-time employees check? I have worked in local government and the private sector and have always had FICA and medicare take out. The only way NOT to have it deducted - is that the County/State opited out of Social Security benefits for all of their employees and MUST have a plan equal or better the social security. I know of several county governments that opited out of SS years ago, hovever, they all have returned.

The only time FICA and Medicare are not take is when the payroll amount is under a certain threshold for payment. In other words, you ain't making enough anyway. The same with Federal income tax deduction. It seems like if someone is working 35-45 hours a week...the threshold amount has been met.

Sounds like a scam by the employeer...will be watching this one!
Chuck

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Feb 17, 2007
 
Woops! Think I found an answer: This is from Social Security's web site (their question/answer section)

"My Statement doesn't show any earnings for 1982 through 1988. I was teaching at the Pine Creek School District and at the Archer State?"

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"Work for a State or local agency--including a school system, college or university--may or may not be covered by Social Security. If you are covered only by your State or local pension plan and you don't pay Social Security taxes, your earnings won't be on your Social Security record.(Your record will show your Medicare wages if you pay into that program.)

If your agency is covered by both your State/local pension plan and Social Security, you pay Social Security and Medicare taxes just as you would for any other Social Security-covered job. You will see your earnings on your record.

For information on how your pension from noncovered State or local employment may affect the amount of your Social Security benefit, see our fact sheet, Windfall Elimination Provision, or see How the Windfall Elimination Provision Can Affect Your Social Security Benefit.

For more information, you also might want to see how State and local government employees became covered by Social Security."
frankly

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Feb 18, 2007
 
They'll do anything to screw the working man out of a dollar. The pencil neck pencil pushers need to find a real job other than trying to screw people out of their retirement.
MS-N

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Feb 18, 2007
 
I was a substitute teacher in Broward county a few years ago. I moved to Pasco County (N of Tampa) and it is the same thing. They do not take anything out for Social Security. As a substitute or guest teacher as I like be to referred to, there are no beneifits at all, health or unemployment for the summer. Guest Teachers serve a great purpose; unfortunately we are treated like yesterday's news.
Trisha

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Feb 18, 2007
 
Substitute teachers deserve EVERYTHING they can get and more....
John

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Feb 18, 2007
 
Chuck wrote:
Woops! Think I found an answer: This is from Social Security's web site (their question/answer section)
"My Statement doesn't show any earnings for 1982 through 1988. I was teaching at the Pine Creek School District and at the Archer State?"
Answer
"Work for a State or local agency--including a school system, college or university--may or may not be covered by Social Security. If you are covered only by your State or local pension plan and you don't pay Social Security taxes, your earnings won't be on your Social Security record.(Your record will show your Medicare wages if you pay into that program.)
If your agency is covered by both your State/local pension plan and Social Security, you pay Social Security and Medicare taxes just as you would for any other Social Security-covered job. You will see your earnings on your record.
For information on how your pension from noncovered State or local employment may affect the amount of your Social Security benefit, see our fact sheet, Windfall Elimination Provision, or see How the Windfall Elimination Provision Can Affect Your Social Security Benefit.
For more information, you also might want to see how State and local government employees became covered by Social Security."
So a rule, that is not based on any reasoning just an existing condition, is the answer? These folks worked at a legal occupation, paid taxes, and presumably are not in prison. What further requirements should they need to meet to receive a social security benefit? Even non-citizens can receive the benefit.

How did that rule get created? Who benefited?
Unbelievable

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Feb 18, 2007
 
Do people now realize that not only does the school board screw the parents, they screw their own teachers! Good Job!

GET RID OF MAUREEN DINNEN NOW!!!
One eye Jack

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Feb 18, 2007
 
"Some are working 40-45 hours a week at three different schools," she said. "By anybody's definition, that's not part-time."

By whose definition? That fact is that by the defendant's definition it is part time. Just because "SOME" are working these hours it doesn't mean it can be classifiwed as full time. Don't confuse the public. These quote are riddled with deception if you study (as in school) them.
Daniel

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Feb 18, 2007
 
I didnt think substitutes got any benefits? at least thats what i have heard from subs that teach in my school. They get nothing!
Debra

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#14
Feb 18, 2007
 
School teachers are not the only ones that have the problem with a lack of benefits, social security, etc. There are plenty of others, in fact, more and more industries are doing just like the school board. So it is not teachers that are bearing this burden alone.
Most substitute teachers I have talked with do it either to get their foot in the door for full-time employment early in their career or because they want the flexibility or being part-timers.
It it's because they want the flexibility of part- time work than that is their consequence. If they don't work full time, a 40-hour week, then they don't get the same benefits as a full-timer. That's just the way it goes. Too bad, so sad.
You suck

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Feb 18, 2007
 
about time wrote:
This should have been made a class action suit. I was a part-time adult ed teacher for many years before going full time and did not pay social security. What about the rest of us???? This better be retro for all of us!
Good going guy more scams by the school board!
Why don't you whiners take a long hard look at the Broward School Board instead of saying all these terrible things. The Board members and the senior management staff are deeply caring individuals who think of nothing else but the children, their safety and their education. Every day they are travelling to different schools to watchover YOUR children, themselves. The give selflessly of themselves and politics NEVER gets in the way of their "kids first!" agenda. Almost all teachers will tell you that they get whatever they want, as long as it is for the best interest of the kids. The senior staff and elected board members live like paupers in their jobs so they can save money for the taxpayers and spend 99.9 % of every dollar in the classroom. Broward Schools are among the top schools in the entire world. Our graduates attend the best colleges-most of them on full scholarships. Leading universities come to recruit our graduates because they know our kids have the best education in the world. All of this because of the caring board, superintendent and staff. Teachers just take their direction from the administration. They are a dime-a-dozen and have been replaced almost totally by technology. In ten years there will be no need for them. The waste resources, create problems and have a negligible impact on education. Substitute teachers just fill a gap and are not worth the problems they create. Case in point: about time...just look at the whining, complaining attitude! Do we really want people like this involved in our childrens' education? I think not!
One eye Jack

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Feb 18, 2007
 
Daniel wrote:
I didnt think substitutes got any benefits? at least thats what i have heard from subs that teach in my school. They get nothing!
They're not suppose to. It's similar to per diem. That way you can keep down costs, not incur any overtime for full time staff, and abide by the teacher's contract. Which by the way is strong and will not change anytime soon and THAT's why they need to retain an attorney and sue!
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Feb 18, 2007
 
Thanks to Richard Friedlander for standing up for himself and the rest of the subs. People like Richard are trying to make a difference. Subs (who are trusted with the students' welfare) have not received a pay increase for ten years and now have to punch in and out on a demeaning time clock because subs don't have the protection of a union. They wonder why they can't get good subs.:<
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Feb 18, 2007
 
So many people forget so easily. Adult Education teachers, as well as substitute teachers, serve as important a function when it comes to educating the public as K-12 teachers do. The School Board simply gets away with whatever they can, sort of like a wicked corporate giant.
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Feb 22, 2007
 
Ok, so you say part timers shouldn't get benefits since they have a choice to get a full time job.
But, how do you explain this. I was told by a friend that teaches part time. The full time teachers that take part time jobs at night teaching GED/ABE or ESOL are classified different at night. Their money goes into the pension plan as well as adding to their social security. They do the same job as the part timers at night and they have the same title "Adult Education Teacher"
but they have the extra benefits. Who Loses again!!! Why is their money put into social security and pension so when they retire they have higher benefits. Explain this to my friend. I can't seem to figure out the fairness of this.
Is this fair? I think everyone needs to be aware of this or is this a hush hush matter. If Broward county wants to be fair don't put the full time teachers money into social security and pension that they earn at night as part time teachers. Take it out retroactively!!! How much money is the school board spending on that. Someone needs to take this to the newspapers.
I am concerned for the thousands of part time employees that are treated unfairly not once but twice.
Mary

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Feb 22, 2007
 
I believe that at one time Broward county gave the part timers social security as well as pension. Then a year later told them that it was a an error so they took them out of it. What kind of error was that!
anonymous

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Apr 26, 2011
 
I was a part time teacher for 15 yrs. During that time I tried to join the union and was refused. Is it possible that the union is in bed with the school board?
F M Jerry

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#22
Aug 23, 2012
 
Glad you got rid of Till, He refused to honor my substitute teachers license because I occupied a shopping center in East Meadow L.I. and simply mauled by a steroid Police Officer who had a roid rage. Meanwhile my business background and experience is far superior to his own.

My arrest ultimately was listed a $25.00 fine but prejudicial Till, the boy scout? had it in for me as well.Till then, Good bye Till.
F M Jerry

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#23
Aug 23, 2012
 
And, I've been writing everyone and anyone since my departure from your Corrupt State. And I will continue to do so, when your right your right and one must fight for what they believe in.

Abbey on NCIS last night stuck to her guns and proved the dog was innocent. I am and was a innocent man but too many people believe in her say evidence. Including the boy scout Till, he certainly believed in the hersay evidence attached to my divorce proceedings. It wasn't bad enough various Judges succumbed to hersay but Till as well.

I am more than qualified to sub teach, I graduated a very prestigious business school and was a senior auditor for the Worlds best but could not sub teach because of the "hersay" evidence rules.
Florida is out of control when it comes to corruption, let me count the ways.

When it came to my sons custody I could not even get my day in court. Get Phillips butt off teh bench, she disguised her identity for a reason, and Howard C Fornothing, is a corrupt in his assignments.

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