4 degrees warming "likely" without CO2 cuts: study

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btw wrote:

In our eagerness to avoid about $1 trillion worth of climate damage, we are being asked to spend at least 50 times as much -- and, if we hinder free trade, we are likely to heap at least an additional $50 trillion loss on the global economy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

Accusations of scientific dishonesty

After the publication of The Skeptical Environmentalist, Lomborg was accused of scientific dishonesty. Several environmental scientists brought a total of three complaints against Lomborg to the Danish Committees on Scientific Dishonesty (DCSD), a body under Denmark's Ministry of Science, Technology and Innovation. The charges claimed that The Skeptical Environmentalist contained deliberately misleading data and flawed conclusions. Due to the similarity of the complaints, the DCSD decided to proceed on the three cases under one investigation.
[edit] DCSD investigation

On January 6, 2003 the DCSD reached a decision on the complaints. The ruling was a mixed message, deciding the book to be scientifically dishonest, but Lomborg himself not guilty because of lack of expertise in the fields in question:[3]

Objectively speaking, the publication of the work under consideration is deemed to fall within the concept of scientific dishonesty....In view of the subjective requirements made in terms of intent or gross negligence, however, Bjørn Lomborg's publication cannot fall within the bounds of this characterization. Conversely, the publication is deemed clearly contrary to the standards of good scientific practice.

The DCSD cited The Skeptical Environmentalist for:

1. Fabrication of data;
2. Selective discarding of unwanted results (selective citation);
3. Deliberately misleading use of statistical methods;
4. Distorted interpretation of conclusions;
5. Plagiarism;
6. Deliberate misinterpretation of others' results.

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Southern B wrote:

The SW of the USA is a desert. This area suffered a terrible drought 700 or so years ago that lasted for centuries. It drove out nearly all of its residents. Never consider history or facts when making your alarmist predictions.

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Southern B wrote:

The SW of the USA is a desert. This area suffered a terrible drought 700 or so years ago that lasted for centuries. It drove out nearly all of its residents. Never consider history or facts when making your alarmist predictions.

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Raptor in Michigan wrote:

The other thread said 6 degrees in 100 years. Now it's 4 celcius (39.2 degrees) by 2050. The freaks need to get a life.

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Northie wrote:

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Sorry to confuse you dear, but a temperature rise of 4 degrees Celsius equals a rise of 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit, not 39.2.

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Northie wrote:

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Ignorance rides again. You are referring to the drought that ended the Anasazi and Mayan civilizations. That drought was a side effect of Europe's Medieval Warming Period, demonstrating that warming causes droughts and spreads deserts in the subtropics.
Here is what real scientists have to say about the US Southwest:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/31...

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Southern B wrote:

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Yes the Medieval warm period was at the same time which likely caused the Atlantic Ocean to warm which results in drought conditions in the SW. Was that warming and drought caused by man. No. Since I already know what you have posted I was not ignorant. I merely pointed out the tendency for this region to under go extreme drought. Anyone who has been to the SW is not ignorant to the fact that it is a desert and is not being turned into one by global warming.

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Northie wrote:

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Ignorance rides again. You are referring to the drought that ended the Anasazi and Mayan civilizations. That drought was a side effect of Europe's Medieval Warming Period, demonstrating that warming causes droughts and spreads deserts in the subtropics.
Here is what real scientists have to say about the US Southwest:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/31...

How anthropogenic climate change will affect hydroclimate in the arid regions of southwestern North America has implications for the allocation of water resources and the course of regional development. Here we show that there is a broad consensus among climate models that this region will dry in the 21st century and that the transition to a more arid climate should already be under way. If these models are correct, the levels of aridity of the recent multiyear drought or the Dust Bowl and the 1950s droughts will become the new climatology of the American Southwest within a time frame of years to decades.

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Earthling wrote:

IF a 4ºC warming is "likely" without CO2 cuts, it is also "likely" if CO2 is cut.

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Brian_G wrote:

If our CO2 doesn't make any difference, let's dump this losing conservation energy strategy and try to reduce poverty by making energy affordable.

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Northie wrote:

A megawatt saved costs far less than a megawatt added. Conservation is where it's at, first and foremost.

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Northie wrote:

Twisted logic--and not at all what the academies predict. They forecast considerably lower temperatures ahead if we cut emissions now.

MattJ wrote:

It is unscientific in the extreme to make predictions