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Mar 22, 2008

Governor vetoes bill on coal-fired power plants

Gov. Kathleen Sebelius vetoed a bill Friday allowing two coal-fired power plants in southwest Kansas, but supporters promised to renew their efforts to make sure they get built. via Arkansas City Traveler

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Mar 23, 2008
 
Very shortsighted, Kathleen. The USA has an abundance of coal, and a desparate need for cheap energy. Cheap energy drives our economy. What are you doing? Trying to reduce Kansas' carbon footprint? Why not shut down all the coal, oil, and gas fired plants? Take the least expensive route and we will see the best results.

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Mar 24, 2008
 
Arbuckle wrote:
Very shortsighted, Kathleen. The USA has an abundance of coal, and a desparate need for cheap energy. Cheap energy drives our economy. What are you doing? Trying to reduce Kansas' carbon footprint? Why not shut down all the coal, oil, and gas fired plants? Take the least expensive route and we will see the best results.
Those of us who live here are not surprised. She can be counted on to be influenced by special interest groups.
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Mar 24, 2008
 
I sick of crappy air.Look at Ca and Iowa Wind power. Drive up I-35 and check out the wind mills Iowa has. They chose clean power. Also there is no such thing as Clean Coal.Make money sell coal burn coal. How about in your state.
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Mar 25, 2008
 
I'm sure the windmills are beautiful in the Iowa countryside. How many megawatts of power do they produce? Why did Texas have to have rolling blackouts last month? The wind didn't blow enough to work their nice looking windmills.

Coal is not the long term answer, but it can generate enough power to get by, until those alternatives are developed.

Nuclear power can be a good long term solution when coupled with the alternatives of wind and sun. But wind and sun are not yet viable enough to be the only sources of production.

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Mar 25, 2008
 
Dennis in op wrote:
I'm sure the windmills are beautiful in the Iowa countryside. How many megawatts of power do they produce? Why did Texas have to have rolling blackouts last month? The wind didn't blow enough to work their nice looking windmills.
Coal is not the long term answer, but it can generate enough power to get by, until those alternatives are developed.
Nuclear power can be a good long term solution when coupled with the alternatives of wind and sun. But wind and sun are not yet viable enough to be the only sources of production.
True. In addition, I've read reports of how much it costs to manufacture the windmills, and how much pollution is caused by their manufacture.
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Mar 25, 2008
 
Rick op wrote:
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True. In addition, I've read reports of how much it costs to manufacture the windmills, and how much pollution is caused by their manufacture.
Still, the cost of manufacture, in price and in pollution, if it were a viable primary resource would probably be less than coal...maybe.
Anyway, Rick, we agree for different reasons.(Judging from some of your other posts elswhere, we seem to agree on a number of things.)

My major concern is all the talk of how "green" this method is and how many jobs it will create, rather than the megawatts it can produce consistantly. People say "Make bigger batteries"...or "bigger solar panels." The technology of wind and solar, while generally clean, will not produce the output of a coal or nuclear plant.

My vote is for nuclear.

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Mar 25, 2008
 
Dennis in op wrote:
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Still, the cost of manufacture, in price and in pollution, if it were a viable primary resource would probably be less than coal...maybe.
Anyway, Rick, we agree for different reasons.(Judging from some of your other posts elswhere, we seem to agree on a number of things.)
My major concern is all the talk of how "green" this method is and how many jobs it will create, rather than the megawatts it can produce consistantly. People say "Make bigger batteries"...or "bigger solar panels." The technology of wind and solar, while generally clean, will not produce the output of a coal or nuclear plant.
My vote is for nuclear.
My vote has always been for nuclear fusion, where I understand some of the 'waste' can be recycled into the process. I also think we should keep all sources of energy in process until we find that magic key to low-cost and low-polluting energy.

In the news a month ago, a man with solar panels on his house sued his neight to cut down a tree that grew so bit, it crowed out the sun from his roof. The law of unintended consequesces.

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Mar 25, 2008
 
correction: he sued his neighbor.
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