Police plan DUI checkpoints in county

Reasonable Adult wrote:

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Why did you change from being "Unanswered Questions" to being "Reasonable Adult"? Why can't you provide the answers to the questions? I've never had the misfortune of enduring a police checkpoint, so I have no direct knowledge. Do you? Or are you just one of those people who has to argue and argue but won't participate in a rational discussion?

The misfortune of enduring a police checkpoint. Oh it's so horrible.

Reasonable Adult wrote:

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DUI checkpoints dude. We aren't talking about Mandatory Strip Searches at schools.

I thought we were talking about why reasonable cause does not apply to DUI checkpoints. I didn't realize that the same principle only applies to one situation and that analogies and extrapolation were off limits to this discussion.

Well now that we are back on subject, please tell us why our rights do not apply for DUI checkpoints and do for other searches without probable cause.

You help Fix It wrote:

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DUI is no joke and checkpoints do work. If more people were as paranoid as you are about the HCPD watching them at bars then maybe we wouldn't have had an illegal immigrant kill an innocent person on the roadway.

I selected the username YouHelpFixIt so as to be uniquely identified on this board. Whereas I cannot stop you from using the same name or something close, I politely ask that refrain from using a name that may be mistaken for me.

Thanks

YouHelpFixIt wrote:

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I selected the username YouHelpFixIt so as to be uniquely identified on this board. Whereas I cannot stop you from using the same name or something close, I politely ask that refrain from using a name that may be mistaken for me.
Thanks

Nah bro. That is my name.

Hey man, you stole man. Stop.

YouHelpFixIt wrote:

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I thought we were talking about why reasonable cause does not apply to DUI checkpoints. I didn't realize that the same principle only applies to one situation and that analogies and extrapolation were off limits to this discussion.
Well now that we are back on subject, please tell us why our rights do not apply for DUI checkpoints and do for other searches without probable cause.

Because man, there is no privacy in a car. Smoke your dope at home man. And stop stealing my name dude.

If they'd teach these people how to drive while drunk, we'd all be better off.

You Help Fix It wrote:

Hey man, you stole man. Stop.

I'm not MAN, I'm not DUDE, I'm Officer Rivieri...!!!

Hey you wanna talk about rights well then I have the right to choose whatever name I want on here.

The probable cause for a DUI checkpoint is the fact that there is no expectation of privacy on the roadway. Driving on the roadway is a privilege not a right. DUI kills millions of people every year so the effectiveness of a DUI checkpoint is very high. The quote from the Constitution is nice but it doesn't apply to this situation. Alot of DUI checkpoints are open to volunteers and citizens to give them a first hand look at the operation. I have an idea....instead of posting erroneous facts and quotes why don't you go to a DUI checkpoint and actually observe what takes place and then you would have some facts to post on this forum. I have an idea....instead of posting erroneous facts and quotes why don't you go to a DUI checkpoint and actually observe what takes place and then you would have some facts to post on this forum.

That's three consecutive posts and you added alot to the conversation. You even know that the location listed is that of the ISPs server that assigns the full IP address and it may or may not be the location of the user. You are a loser like me.

Back to the subject:

A lot of posters seem to want to redefine the word 'probable' to suit this argument which is very commendable. Put it this way, if you bet on a single number in roulette, would you consider it 'probable' that you would win? It certainly would be 'probable'. Yet the chances are not greater of a single bet winning in roulette than the chances of the next car the cops stop at a DUI checkpoint being a drunk driver. Therefore I do agree that DUI checkpoints work and are worth the effort.

I still have yet to hear anyone answer the complex question: Why do your fourth amendment rights not apply for other traffic stops and a DUI checkpoint?

I also have not heard anyone explain why we also do not have checkpoints for shoplifters, vagabonds, child molestors, red light runners, people that drive barefoot, people that commit adultery, and outstanding parking tickets. These are also valid public safety concerns.

I understand that these checkpoints get drunk drivers off the road, no one on this board has argued otherwise. A DUI checkpoint is very worthwhile and I support them 100 percent. Although they are valid sentiments, the arguments that we should do whatever it takes to save lives or that you cannot understand unless you have a personal stake in the outcome, are valid arguments and I am glad they have been posted. Thank you DUI checkpoints for saving my life and other people's lives as well. Keep up the good work.

I thought we were talking about why reasonable cause does apply to DUI checkpoints. I do realize that the same principle only applies to one situation and that analogies and extrapolation were off limits to this discussion.

Well now that we are back on subject, please tell us how our rights are protected during DUI checkpoints and how they are effective in reducing the number of DUI related fatalities.

YouHelpFix It wrote:

I thought we were talking about why reasonable cause does apply to DUI checkpoints. I do realize that the same principle only applies to one situation and that analogies and extrapolation were off limits to this discussion.
Well now that we are back on subject, please tell us how our rights are protected during DUI checkpoints and how they are effective in reducing the number of DUI related fatalities.

If I may play devil's advocate for a moment...

DWI checkpoints may actually increase fatalities and injuries.

The checkpoints are generally set up on major roadways for maximum effectiveness; i.e. number of cars stopped per hour. The fear of running into a checkpoint may cause the impaired driver to stay off of these roads, and onto back roads which are less well lit, less straight, and less well graded, with narrower lanes and shoulders.

The result: Better driving skills needed at a time the may not have them. An accident waiting to happen.

If I may play devil's advocate for a moment...

DWI checkpoints may actually decrease fatalities and injuries.

The checkpoints are generally set up on major roadways for maximum effectiveness; i.e. number of cars stopped per hour. The fear of running into a checkpoint may prevent the impaired driver from driving on these roads, and even onto back roads which are less well lit, less straight, and less well graded, with narrower lanes and shoulders.

The result: Less Drunk Drivers and less people killed on the roadway

Surf52 wrote:

If I may play devil's advocate for a moment...
DWI checkpoints may actually decrease fatalities and injuries.
The checkpoints are generally set up on major roadways for maximum effectiveness; i.e. number of cars stopped per hour. The fear of running into a checkpoint may prevent the impaired driver from driving on these roads, and even onto back roads which are less well lit, less straight, and less well graded, with narrower lanes and shoulders.
The result: Less Drunk Drivers and less people killed on the roadway

Just something to note, "YouHelpFix It" from Elkridge, MD is not me.

Surf52 wrote:

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If I may play devil's advocate for a moment...
DWI checkpoints may actually increase fatalities and injuries.
The checkpoints are generally set up on major roadways for maximum effectiveness; i.e. number of cars stopped per hour. The fear of running into a checkpoint may cause the impaired driver to stay off of these roads, and onto back roads which are less well lit, less straight, and less well graded, with narrower lanes and shoulders.
The result: Better driving skills needed at a time the may not have them. An accident waiting to happen.

Obviously, I wasn't paying close attention either. It appears the cloner from Elkridge only has one tactic.

YouHelpFixIt wrote:

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Just something to note, "YouHelpFix It" from Elkridge, MD is not me.

Who cares dude.

YouHelpFixIt wrote:

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Obviously, I wasn't paying close attention either. It appears the cloner from Elkridge only has one tactic.

Who cares dude.

Yup my tactic is to show that are uneducated and need guidance. So put down the hash pipe and start learning son.

Obviously, I wasn't paying close attention either. It appears the cloner from Scottsdale only has one tactic.