Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

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The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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“Free your mind”

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#32757 May 13, 2012
Mockababy wrote:
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What difference does it make. Defect or not, can you change or fix it? No? So should we just live the rest of our lives without having any relationships then? Is that what you are proposing? What identifiable harm is there to SSM?
He is suggesting that we have only heterosexual relationships and hide our "defect"...

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#32758 May 13, 2012
KiMare wrote:
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You or I can think what we want. That doesn't change the facts. You have done nothing to address those, only confirming your denial.
Ok, let's play a scenario here... Let's say that being gay is a defect. If it is, then why discriminate against gays? People with defects get married every day. Dwarves get married, theirs is clearly a genetic defect. I have seen 2 people with Downes Syndrome get married, theirs is clearly a genetic defect. I have seen people who were previously circus freaks (and I mean that was their job) get married, they clearly have defects. Why should all of the others with their obvious defects be allowed to get married, and gays are discriminated against?? If gays aren't allowed to get married then all of those others who are "defective" shouldn't be allowed to marry either according to your reasoning.

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#32759 May 13, 2012
Oh, and to add to my last post, KiMare dear, that means you shouldn't be allowed to get married either, because you have stated that you are a chimera and therefore YOU are "defective" too. Are you married?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#32760 May 13, 2012
Mockababy wrote:
<quoted text>
What difference does it make. Defect or not, can you change or fix it? No? So should we just live the rest of our lives without having any relationships then? Is that what you are proposing? What identifiable harm is there to SSM?
Denial is always a problem for the person and those around them. It is like pretending you don't have a infectious disease. The best thing for everyone is to fully face reality and go from there.

Yes, reality has some bitter pills to swallow. But not near what denial does. You have a good idea what they are with reality, while denial blind-sides you.

Then you have the additional issues that are forced to be caught up to support denial. Marriage is a good example of that. Marriage in all of human history has always represented a unique relationship. One that is the birth place of every single other relationship. Gay unions birth nothing. The only identity is two people. The question is not, what affect, but do gay unions qualify to identify with marriage.

However, you are insinuating that adding gay unions will only have positive affects on a historical change of unprecedented social change. Does that seriously sound realistic to you?

Of course I am not asserting that gays should have no relationships. That is simply silly. Nor am I saying they don't have legitimate rights. I am saying marriage is not one of them.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#32761 May 13, 2012
TXgurl wrote:
<quoted text>
He is suggesting that we have only heterosexual relationships and hide our "defect"...
Where did I suggest either one of those things?

The first accusation is beyond silly stupid.

The second is exactly opposite what I have been saying. Your response either exposes you as a liar or someone with a serious comprehension problem.
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#32762 May 13, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Denial is always a problem for the person and those around them. It is like pretending you don't have a infectious disease. The best thing for everyone is to fully face reality and go from there.
Yes, reality has some bitter pills to swallow. But not near what denial does. You have a good idea what they are with reality, while denial blind-sides you.
Then you have the additional issues that are forced to be caught up to support denial. Marriage is a good example of that. Marriage in all of human history has always represented a unique relationship. One that is the birth place of every single other relationship. Gay unions birth nothing. The only identity is two people. The question is not, what affect, but do gay unions qualify to identify with marriage.
However, you are insinuating that adding gay unions will only have positive affects on a historical change of unprecedented social change. Does that seriously sound realistic to you?
Of course I am not asserting that gays should have no relationships. That is simply silly. Nor am I saying they don't have legitimate rights. I am saying marriage is not one of them.
Geez...... I bet that law school you went to was in the Phillipines.

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#32763 May 13, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Denial is always a problem for the person and those around them. It is like pretending you don't have a infectious disease. The best thing for everyone is to fully face reality and go from there.
Yes, reality has some bitter pills to swallow. But not near what denial does. You have a good idea what they are with reality, while denial blind-sides you.
Then you have the additional issues that are forced to be caught up to support denial. Marriage is a good example of that. Marriage in all of human history has always represented a unique relationship. One that is the birth place of every single other relationship. Gay unions birth nothing. The only identity is two people. The question is not, what affect, but do gay unions qualify to identify with marriage.
However, you are insinuating that adding gay unions will only have positive affects on a historical change of unprecedented social change. Does that seriously sound realistic to you?
Of course I am not asserting that gays should have no relationships. That is simply silly. Nor am I saying they don't have legitimate rights. I am saying marriage is not one of them.
I love how you think you have such insight into our "denial". Denial was trying to be straight and being miserable. Even if I were to stop being in denial that I have a defect as you put it, that doesn't change a damn thing, how would admitting it change my life in the least?

"All of human history" is also irrelvant. Appealing to tradition is a fallacy. Most of human history is beyond brutal and ignorant and perverse, it's a ridiculous thing to appeal to.

So we have the right to have relationships but not to have those relationships protected under law? You see marriage from a religious traditional standpoint apparently but for many marriage is nothing more than a legal contract. A very important one when it comes to your partner being in the hospital or dying or their children. Your sentiments about marriage are irrelevant.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#32764 May 13, 2012
TXgurl wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, let's play a scenario here... Let's say that being gay is a defect. If it is, then why discriminate against gays? People with defects get married every day. Dwarves get married, theirs is clearly a genetic defect. I have seen 2 people with Downes Syndrome get married, theirs is clearly a genetic defect. I have seen people who were previously circus freaks (and I mean that was their job) get married, they clearly have defects. Why should all of the others with their obvious defects be allowed to get married, and gays are discriminated against?? If gays aren't allowed to get married then all of those others who are "defective" shouldn't be allowed to marry either according to your reasoning.
There is no discrimination. Marriage has never been a right for members of the same sex. In all the cases you mention, opposite sex has been the determining qualification for marriage. All of the genetic defects you list are apart from the identity of marriage. You are demanding that a defect that distorts the core identity of marriage be equated with marriage. It is nothing more than a forced imposing of a imposter relationship on the foundational relationship of society. Gays still have every right to pursue appropriate rights for civil unions.

It is one thing to admit you have a genetic disorder. It is another thing to respond realistically to the consequences of that disorder. You are claiming it is maybe a difference, and with no real distinctive impacts. Very close to pure denial.

I have three nipples. I don't hate myself for it, I had no choice in the matter. I have faced numerous consequences through my life because of that (as you can imagine). I have never pretended that is normal. Some consequences have been painful emotionally and physically. But my responses have made me a strikingly unique person in numerous good and positive ways exactly because of my 'defects'.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#32765 May 13, 2012
Mockababy wrote:
<quoted text>
I love how you think you have such insight into our "denial". Denial was trying to be straight and being miserable. Even if I were to stop being in denial that I have a defect as you put it, that doesn't change a damn thing, how would admitting it change my life in the least?
"All of human history" is also irrelvant. Appealing to tradition is a fallacy. Most of human history is beyond brutal and ignorant and perverse, it's a ridiculous thing to appeal to.
So we have the right to have relationships but not to have those relationships protected under law? You see marriage from a religious traditional standpoint apparently but for many marriage is nothing more than a legal contract. A very important one when it comes to your partner being in the hospital or dying or their children. Your sentiments about marriage are irrelevant.
I am a genetic chimera (hence my post handle). Look it up. Specifically, a very unique triple chimera. A hermaphrodite lesbian trapped in a straight man's body. So, yes I identify with a lesbian, transgendered straight people's denial. You do not compete in any way shape or form!

Pair bonding is called marriage among human animals. It crosses into every single culture where 'traditions' exist. Hardly tradition, more like natural nature.

Never have I asserted gays don't have rights and protections. Why would you assert such a thing? Civil unions are a legitimate option. Marriage is not.

Furthermore, I have never used religion as a basis for my opposition.

It is apparent from your responses that you are terminally affected with denial.

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#32767 May 13, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no discrimination. Marriage has never been a right for members of the same sex. In all the cases you mention, opposite sex has been the determining qualification for marriage. All of the genetic defects you list are apart from the identity of marriage. You are demanding that a defect that distorts the core identity of marriage be equated with marriage. It is nothing more than a forced imposing of a imposter relationship on the foundational relationship of society. Gays still have every right to pursue appropriate rights for civil unions.
It is one thing to admit you have a genetic disorder. It is another thing to respond realistically to the consequences of that disorder. You are claiming it is maybe a difference, and with no real distinctive impacts. Very close to pure denial.
I have three nipples. I don't hate myself for it, I had no choice in the matter. I have faced numerous consequences through my life because of that (as you can imagine). I have never pretended that is normal. Some consequences have been painful emotionally and physically. But my responses have made me a strikingly unique person in numerous good and positive ways exactly because of my 'defects'.
The "core identity of marriage" has changed many times over throughout history. You people just have a bazaar sentimental attachment to the most recent incarnation.

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#32768 May 13, 2012
Mockababy wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee that's funny, when I tried to choose being straight it still didn't make guys any more attractive to me. Explain how I am suppose to force that.
You lesbians are hilarious most of your relationships one of you is butch the other is lipstick and you use sex toys that are modeled after a man can you explain this if your not turned on by men

Since: May 12

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#32769 May 13, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a genetic chimera (hence my post handle). Look it up. Specifically, a very unique triple chimera. A hermaphrodite lesbian trapped in a straight man's body. So, yes I identify with a lesbian, transgendered straight people's denial. You do not compete in any way shape or form!
Pair bonding is called marriage among human animals. It crosses into every single culture where 'traditions' exist. Hardly tradition, more like natural nature.
Never have I asserted gays don't have rights and protections. Why would you assert such a thing? Civil unions are a legitimate option. Marriage is not.
Furthermore, I have never used religion as a basis for my opposition.
It is apparent from your responses that you are terminally affected with denial.
The only thing I am in denial of apparently is that it's a defect, which you have yet to prove. My being in denial is therefore merely your opinion.

If civil unions were to gain all the rights and protections marriage provides why call them something different. The only reason people have given is their sentimental attachment to the word. There is NO good reason to have two seperate things.

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#32770 May 13, 2012
robot chicken wrote:
<quoted text>You lesbians are hilarious most of your relationships one of you is butch the other is lipstick and you use sex toys that are modeled after a man can you explain this if your not turned on by men
Are you seriously this stupid?

“Marriage equality for all”

Since: Jul 07

Illinois

#32771 May 13, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a genetic chimera (hence my post handle). Look it up. Specifically, a very unique triple chimera. A hermaphrodite lesbian trapped in a straight man's body. So, yes I identify with a lesbian, transgendered straight people's denial. You do not compete in any way shape or form!
Pair bonding is called marriage among human animals. It crosses into every single culture where 'traditioki Ins' exist. Hardly tradition, more like natural nature.
Never have I asserted gays don't have rights and protections. Why would you assert such a thing? Civil unions are a legitimate option. Marriage is not.
Furthermore, I have never used religion as a basis for my opposition.
It is apparent from your responses that you are terminally affected with denial.
We got it already, you're the biggest f'n freak in the room. Congratulations. In the meantime you haven't proven jack shit. You've just expressed your opinions.
Ain't nobody gonna jump on your denial train, so enjoy the lonely ride.

“Free your mind”

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#32772 May 13, 2012
robot chicken wrote:
<quoted text>You lesbians are hilarious most of your relationships one of you is butch the other is lipstick and you use sex toys that are modeled after a man can you explain this if your not turned on by men
I don't know where you get your information from, but I know a lot of lesbians, and there are different types of couples. I have seen what you talked about, a butch and a femme... but I have also seen 2 femmes together and 2 butches together. It isn't about one of them trying to be a man. The thought of a penis disgusts me. And, for your information, fingers work just fine... don't need toys.

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#32773 May 13, 2012
robot chicken wrote:
<quoted text>You lesbians are hilarious most of your relationships one of you is butch the other is lipstick and you use sex toys that are modeled after a man can you explain this if your not turned on by men
Are you for real? If we were turned on by men then why wouldn't we just go after men? Not all lesbians use sex toys. And are you implying the only significant thing between doing a girl and a guy is the presence of a penis? Really? The ONLY thing that attracts you to girls are their sexual organs? Nothing else about them at all that makes you more attracted to them than men? I find this difficult to believe.
618the great

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#32774 May 13, 2012
The chic I met only charged me 20 bucks. she was the only chic that knew how to use a strap on. Centerville is gansters paradise. I love being dominated.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#32775 May 13, 2012
Mockababy wrote:
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The "core identity of marriage" has changed many times over throughout history. You people just have a bazaar sentimental attachment to the most recent incarnation.
BS

Please explain how the core identity of a husband and wife who become a father and mother has changed over the whole of human existence.

This is where a gay talking point has to be defined. This should be good...

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#32776 May 13, 2012
Marengo Jon wrote:
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We got it already, you're the biggest f'n freak in the room. Congratulations. In the meantime you haven't proven jack shit. You've just expressed your opinions.
Ain't nobody gonna jump on your denial train, so enjoy the lonely ride.
So much for the sympathy in coming out...

You sure get upset over a few 'opinions'. Wonder why that is?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#32777 May 13, 2012
Mockababy wrote:
<quoted text>
The only thing I am in denial of apparently is that it's a defect, which you have yet to prove. My being in denial is therefore merely your opinion.
If civil unions were to gain all the rights and protections marriage provides why call them something different. The only reason people have given is their sentimental attachment to the word. There is NO good reason to have two seperate things.
If you
believe denying marriage to a relationship
will prevent love

If you
demand any committed relationship
has to be called marriage

If you
claim rights and benefits can only be acquired
by a imposition on marriage

If you
equate the diversity of two genders
with the redundancy of same genders

If you
desecrate the sacred tradition of all major religions
and violate the historic practice of every single culture in history

If you
believe a fundamental change to the building block of society
will have absolutely no effect

If you
think a law can change
the reality of crucial distinctions in relationships

If you
pretend duplicating sexuality
is the same as blending masculinity and femininity

If you
condemn some children to parents of only one gender
and deliberately deny some children one natural parent

If you
ignore the design of sexual union
to manipulate a harmful act

If you
violate evolution's law of reproduction
to equate a genetic dead end

If you
risk the healthiest human relationship
to include one of the unhealthiest

If you
parallel the sole birthplace of every other relationship
with one that can reproduce none

If you
dilute all these things
down to just 'a committed relationship of two people'

Then, and only then, can you equate same-sex unions with marriage.

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