Restaurants consider smoking ban inevitable

Feb 4, 2009 Full story: www.gastongazette.com 171

"Smoking or non-smoking" used to be the first question people heard after walking into a restaurant.

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Since: Aug 08

Belmont, NC

#1 Feb 4, 2009
All I can say is: IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
Diner

United States

#3 Feb 5, 2009
I'll be glad to see it come but I do have mixed feeling about government telling a business how to operate. As a non-smoker I avoid places that are too smoky. I actually think restaurants will see increased business. The public health issue does trump the business rights - especially when tax dollars prop up the health care industry.
Pro-American

Rockingham, NC

#4 Feb 5, 2009
The Public Sector has NO BUISNESS telling the Private Sector how to operate.

In the public sector you change things by a vote! If you dont like it, VOTE it out!

In the private sector you change things with money! If you dont like it, dont spend your money on it!

By allowing the public to dictate the private is wrong!

Thats SOCAILISM!!!!!

“ We are not permanent”

Since: Oct 08

Gaston County

#5 Feb 5, 2009
I think that if we as a society are willing to hand over our responsibilties of public health to the government, then we should be prepared to hand over our corresponding freedoms as well.
Diner

United States

#6 Feb 5, 2009
It ceases to be "private" when it requires my tax dollars for the health care resulting from second hand smoke.I don't like that but that's reality
Pro-American

Rockingham, NC

#7 Feb 5, 2009
Then don't enter the "Private" buisness. YOU have a choice! My tax dollars goes toward smokers' health care and i'm OK with it!
Pro-American

Rockingham, NC

#8 Feb 5, 2009
Ive NEVER seen a Private buisness close it's doors because non-smokers chose not to enter! YOU have a choice! AS stated above, YOUR money dictates weather or not the buisness is successful! If YOU are worried about second-hand smoke, DONT ENTER! YOU HAVE A CHOICE!

I'm tired of the Secular Progressive Society telling ME how to live MY life as well as OTHERS how to live THEIRS!!!

“.”

Since: Aug 08

Belmont, NC

#9 Feb 5, 2009
We've had this discussion before...banning a carcinogenic, lung damaging particulate from a PUBLIC space (even if it's privately owned) is no different than having health/safety inspections for cleanliness and sanitation or requiring food service workers to wash their hands after taking a s*it. How's this for choice? I can never go to a restaurant because you choose to slowly kill yourself w/ tobacco?! Smoke at home, or in your other PRIVATE spaces if you want to smoke, but don't subject me to it, or limit my choices because of it!
Oh, and don't expect my tax dollars to support the healthcare you need *when*(not IF) you get sick...
youou

Lewisburg, TN

#10 Feb 5, 2009
The Enemy Within wrote:
I think that if we as a society are willing to hand over our responsibilties of public health to the government, then we should be prepared to hand over our corresponding freedoms as well.
I think...when the government decides on what the people want..they take action. We indeed elect those who decide for us based on pre election promises. Find out where your candidate stands on all issues of your certain concern.

Next time be able to read between the lines and beware of what you ask for...you may get it.
youou, 2009
Free_America

Rhinelander, WI

#11 Feb 5, 2009
Diner wrote:
It ceases to be "private" when it requires my tax dollars for the health care resulting from second hand smoke.I don't like that but that's reality
Your tax dollars? Do you pay as much as a smoker. Who is paying for the SCHIP program? Are you paying your fair share????
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/children_s_health
Tobacco Control activist can't prove one death caused by second hand smoke much less then an increase in health care costs. BTW using tax dollars to pay for health care is socialism. If you receive tax dollars for health care does that make your house public property??? Welfare???? You obviously didn't think that statement through!
youou

Lewisburg, TN

#12 Feb 5, 2009
Pro-American wrote:
Then don't enter the "Private" buisness. YOU have a choice! My tax dollars goes toward smokers' health care and i'm OK with it!
that is why this country is in the condition we are in....sorry....stupid decisions like yours.
youou
Joshua Elkins

United States

#13 Feb 5, 2009
I am considering running for City Council. I would like to put my opinion on this board and see what you guys think. I have noticed that there are two very different opinions on this board.

First, I am an ex smoker. Therefore, I understand both sides of this argument. I want to suggest an equal medium.

Permit the smoking in a public building.

This will allow people to access a database that will them where they can dine or drink in a smoke free enviroment if they chose to or not. Second, This will increase tax dollars with permits. the permits will act just like the Liquid License. It must be publicly displayed and extremely visible. The main entrance must be clearly labeled as a SMOKING ENVIROMENT or a NON-SMOKING ENVIROMENT. This will allow wach citizen to make their EDUCATED CHOICES. I do not believe that the government has the right to tell a business owner they cannot do something that is perfectly legal. I do believe however that the goevernment has the right and responsibilty to ensuer that the citizens have a warning before entering a smoking enviroment.

Please give me feed back and let me know what you think about this solution.
youou

Lewisburg, TN

#14 Feb 5, 2009
Pro-American wrote:
The Public Sector has NO BUISNESS telling the Private Sector how to operate.
In the public sector you change things by a vote! If you dont like it, VOTE it out!
In the private sector you change things with money! If you dont like it, dont spend your money on it!
By allowing the public to dictate the private is wrong!
Thats SOCAILISM!!!!!
I look at it like the government is looking out for the good people. I am a Conservative Republican, Braves fan and a happy American.

Besides local and higher governmemts misspending of tax money...I am very happy.

Isn't great waking up in the morning and planning a free day of events outside my estate.
Free_America

Rhinelander, WI

#15 Feb 5, 2009
David Ferrand wrote:
We've had this discussion before...banning a carcinogenic, lung damaging particulate from a PUBLIC space (even if it's privately owned) is no different than having health/safety inspections for cleanliness and sanitation or requiring food service workers to wash their hands after taking a s*it. How's this for choice? I can never go to a restaurant because you choose to slowly kill yourself w/ tobacco?! Smoke at home, or in your other PRIVATE spaces if you want to smoke, but don't subject me to it, or limit my choices because of it!
Oh, and don't expect my tax dollars to support the healthcare you need *when*(not IF) you get sick...
Public space is owned by the public. You too failed to think out the flaws in your logic. Health/safety inspections are to protect the public from unseen hazards. Can you see that bacteria? Again you fail to see the flaws in your logic. Those health laws that you bring up are a requirement to maintain a license for a certain type of business and apply to the owner and the employees. Are you as a patron required by law to wash your hands after you take a sh!t before you pick up the tongs at the salad bar? Tobacco is a legal product and a business is private property, you are there as a guest. It is up to the owner as to what legal products he/she will allow on their property!
Free_America

Rhinelander, WI

#16 Feb 5, 2009
youou wrote:
<quoted text>
I look at it like the government is looking out for the good people. I am a Conservative Republican, Braves fan and a happy American.
Besides local and higher governmemts misspending of tax money...I am very happy.
Isn't great waking up in the morning and planning a free day of events outside my estate.
No you are a socialist. If you were a true Conservative you would assume the responsibility of looking out for yourself. Socialism is for weak people such as yourself to stupid to make adult decisions.
Free_America

Rhinelander, WI

#17 Feb 5, 2009
Joshua Elkins wrote:
I am considering running for City Council. I would like to put my opinion on this board and see what you guys think. I have noticed that there are two very different opinions on this board.
First, I am an ex smoker. Therefore, I understand both sides of this argument. I want to suggest an equal medium.
Permit the smoking in a public building.
This will allow people to access a database that will them where they can dine or drink in a smoke free enviroment if they chose to or not. Second, This will increase tax dollars with permits. the permits will act just like the Liquid License. It must be publicly displayed and extremely visible. The main entrance must be clearly labeled as a SMOKING ENVIROMENT or a NON-SMOKING ENVIROMENT. This will allow wach citizen to make their EDUCATED CHOICES. I do not believe that the government has the right to tell a business owner they cannot do something that is perfectly legal. I do believe however that the goevernment has the right and responsibilty to ensuer that the citizens have a warning before entering a smoking enviroment.
Please give me feed back and let me know what you think about this solution.
That is where most people have a problem. A business is not public space. The public is invited in a guest and only have the rights granted by the owner. The supreme court backs me up on this one. Here is a blog that I did on that very subject.
http://banthebanwisconsin.wordpress.com/2008/...
Diner

United States

#18 Feb 5, 2009
It's stupid to insinuate people aren't paying enough taxes! No one knows what tax people pay on here. I would just about bet percentage wise I pay MORE taxes than anyone on here because I have few deductions and no dependents. I have tax deducted all year and STILL write a big check each spring. So don't spring the "you're not paying tax" stuff on me.

“Fredneck County Md”

Since: Feb 08

Small Town

#19 Feb 5, 2009
youou wrote:
<quoted text>
that is why this country is in the condition we are in....sorry....stupid decisions like yours.
youou
That is why this country is in the condition it is in....sorry....stupid decisions like yours.
HCS
youou

Lewisburg, TN

#20 Feb 5, 2009
Free_America wrote:
<quoted text>No you are a socialist. If you were a true Conservative you would assume the responsibility of looking out for yourself. Socialism is for weak people such as yourself to stupid to make adult decisions.
Here we go...another disgruntle fan who can't do anything but tell me what I am not.

Is it just me making all the decisons around here? No it is the majority of the world thinking like me...he is so confused.

We will just consider him a loser...and tell him to run along.
Diner

United States

#21 Feb 5, 2009
Also - Free Am, I understand your sentiments and that's why I said I have mixed feelings. I don't like socialism either but unfortunately that's what the American people elected in NOvember and we ARE going to have to live under it. I'm for anything that will improve health and cut my tax burden.

I repeat - I believe restaurants that allow smoking will see an INCREASE in business. Studies prove that happens when smoking is banned. It will be good for business.

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