Morgan Hill students spark national debate over U.S. flag clothes

Five student-athletes exposed raw feelings about race and immigration in a Morgan Hill high school this week when they made the provocative choice to wear shirts and shorts bearing the stars and stripes of the American flag to school on Cinco de Mayo. Full Story
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Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#21 May 9, 2010
OvrAndOvrAgn wrote:
... "I think they should apologize because it is a Mexican heritage day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, told NBC BayArea. "We don't deserve to be disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."
The ignorance of the students above, Annicia Nunez, is quite apparent as school is not in session the the Fourth of July as it is a national holiday in this country. A holiday which celebrates the fight for the independence of a country that now exists, that they live in, and enjoy the benefits thereof.
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/00338...
Some of those "benefits thereof" are supposed to include those things which others here are complaining about, like the right to freedom of expression, the right to the redress of grievances, and generally the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Or should these American citizens of Mexican heritage simply be happy with the idea of having the benefit without actually exercising it?

Since: Sep 09

Carmel Valley, CA

#22 May 9, 2010
Americans wrote:
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What you seem to be lacking are relevant facts. Three hundred thousand Irish don't equate to 60 million latinos in about the same amount of time.
Could you please provide evidence? A century ago there weren't as many United States citizens either.

I wonder if you get the irony of your screen name. You do know that everyone from the tip of Alaska allll the way down to the tip of Chile is an American, right? We're from North, Central, and South America - thus all Americans.
something has to change

Salinas, CA

#23 May 9, 2010
I have seen tension escalate over the years.
At first, it was just another "holiday" a reason to have fun, now it turned into a pro Mexican propaganda with lot's of aggression thrown in.
3 years ago at the Highschool, American flags were torn down, before school; the American flag was not even raised, pure hatred with physical violence from Mexican students.
ONE Person, a young lady of American/Mexican heritage stood up and in front of everyone retrieved the American flag out of the trash. ONE person with common sense and appreciation what this country has to offer, the rest was just a mob spouting their hatred, waving their Mexican flag in front of everyone’s face.
Police was already on campus in preparation of this "holiday"
This ONE young lady, out of all the others
Is the ONLY one that seams to "get it"
SHE has the true spirit, being of Mexican heritage but living in the US of A
Solution: if the masses can not control themselves
cancel this celebration at schools
To this young lady who made a stand, all the best and much success!
American

Irvine, CA

#24 May 9, 2010
Ocean View wrote:
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Oh! Ignoring the uncited numbers, I missed the part where it was the NUMBER of people involved that determined whether or not AMERICAN CITIZENS could enjoy the liberties of recognizing a significant event in their heritage. So basically, Irish immigrant descendents get their heritage recognition grandfathered in because there weren't that many of them (and they blend in well as White folks), while Latinos... not so much, even though their ancestors occupied the Mexican Territory decades before Irish immigrants arrived in America.
You really are a clueless lazy slob not to do your own homework. Give me something for free... give it to me... typical modern liberal sniveling. Exactly like the freeloaders under discussion.

The 350,000 number was me being facetious because there really were so few Irish people migrating here over so much longer a period of time than the migration of tens of millions upon tens of millions of legal and illegal latinos we have seen swell their population here just since 1930 when the census shows Mexicans were 1.15% of the population.

First, according to the Harvard Encyclopedia of American Ethnic Groups, in 1790 there were 400,000 Americans of Irish birth or ancestry out of a total white population of 3,100,000. Half of these were descended from Ulster people, and half were descended from the people of Connaught, Leister and Munster. That means shortly after the United States become a nation (e.g. 1776 in case you didn't know Mr. Gump), the Irish were ALREADY well represented here in the USA. This is why about 45 million Americans can claim Irish anscestry. Because they were already here to BEGIN WITH. This FACT alone destroys your entire assertion.

But because you need further education, let's continue. About 5 million immigrated from Ireland to the United States from 1700 to the 21st century. That's 400 years.-The World Almanac and Book of Facts (2003).

Now Irish migrants didn't come here and insist that American clothing couldn't be worn, insist the Irish flag be flown instead of the American flag, and start movements to force sections of the United States to cede over to control of Ireland.

But that's what we see occurring in the SouthWest today from the tens of millions upon tens of millions of latinos that have swamped the country in less than 100 years and that's what this thread is about you idiot.
American

Irvine, CA

#25 May 9, 2010
Dammit. Now you've got me doing it.

The census http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documen... shows that the total number of Mexicans in the USA in 1930 were 1,422,533 out of a population of 122,775,046 making the percentage of Mexicans here 1.16% of the total US population.

That's 1.16% not 1.15%.

This number, though extremely low by today's standards, represented a tremendous growth in the Mexican population in the territory we now call the United States as they had not begun arriving in any number until after the Mexican War of Independence. Consider that in 1848, the non-native population of California is estimated to have been no more than 15,000.
TEA

United States

#26 May 9, 2010
Ocean View wrote:
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Does that apply to St. Patrick's Day, Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, Father's Day, individual birthdays, and other regional events? I thought that local control of schools was a Conservative value. By the way, it's not a holiday if students have to attend school on that day. Schools are closed on American holidays.
Conservative values in California??? LOL, not in decades...
American

Irvine, CA

#27 May 9, 2010
Ocean View wrote:
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Some of those "benefits thereof" are supposed to include those things which others here are complaining about, like the right to freedom of expression, the right to the redress of grievances, and generally the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Or should these American citizens of Mexican heritage simply be happy with the idea of having the benefit without actually exercising it?
They can express it on their own property not force American taxpayers to pay for the anti-American celebrations on public school grounds during public school hours.

Diversity divides leading to competing factions which eventually come into conflict and then someone has to cede. Let it be the Mexicans not the Americans. Let them assimilate or leave back to their beloved Mexico. Americans have the right to self-determine an American future: clueless idiots like you should not be advocating that it be self-determined by Mexicans from Mexico!

In my father’s day, high school students in this state gained measurable aptitudes in higher math, engineering, science, and pre-college English that led to real competency as well as learning vocational trades like mechanics, electrical, and automotive courses preparing them for both the work force and college. And they did it for less than we spend today with a miniscule dropout rate.

CALIFORNIA USED TO BE NUMBER ONE IN THE COUNTRY BUT NOW WE ARE 3RD FROM THE BOTTOM.

Critically, we instilled in them traditional American values that led to an internalized sense of ultimate morality, a solid work ethic, a sense of belonging to a common American culture, all the while empowering them with a high level of education and challenging them to take responsibility and do their part in making this country something they could be proud of. That's what we used to do and it worked.

Today... FAILURE. A broken public education system run by stupid modern liberals that barely manages to be 3rd from the bottom despite the enormous amounts of time and money spent to turn kids into entitled disparate liberals encouraging them to follow their carnal tendencies while worshipping Mexican holidays, persecuting American kids, and cosigning low achievement.

And people like you continue supporting each and every reason for it.
Steve USMC Veteran

Paradise, CA

#28 May 9, 2010
As I said before, Irish were standing side by side with Americans in the Revolutionary War fighting against the British, and there were a lot of them, and the key operative word for the immigrant issue is "Illegal" there is a proper way to enter this country and then there are the river waders and fence jumpers. Apply through the proper channels and do as the Irish did, they came through Ellis Island back then. Again, the key word is "Illegal" Immigrant.
Steve USMC Veteran

Paradise, CA

#29 May 9, 2010
This got way off topic, including myself. The issue here is the 5 students right to were American themed clothing, and it was wrong to send them home for doing so.. Freedom of speech goes both ways, so while those of you who are saying that "Mexicans" are exercising their freedom of speech, so were the 5 students.

“ Divided We Fall ”

Since: Dec 08

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#30 May 9, 2010
Ocean View wrote:
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Some of those "benefits thereof" are supposed to include those things which others here are complaining about, like the right to freedom of expression, the right to the redress of grievances, and generally the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Or should these American citizens of Mexican heritage simply be happy with the idea of having the benefit without actually exercising it?
Thats fine but their rights were not taken away now were they? It was the rights of the white kids who wore t shirts with the American flag. They were the ones who were told they were not allowed the freedom of expression and lost a day of education all because they were shirts with our flag on them.
I wonder how many of those kids who disrupted school by walking out in protest of the kids who wore the shirts with the US flag, are getting a free education? I mean come on whos rights were violated here? Surely not those who walked around with Mexico's flag painted on their face. It was the white kids who showed loyalty to this country.

“ Divided We Fall ”

Since: Dec 08

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#31 May 9, 2010
Ocean View wrote:
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Some of those "benefits thereof" are supposed to include those things which others here are complaining about, like the right to freedom of expression, the right to the redress of grievances, and generally the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Or should these American citizens of Mexican heritage simply be happy with the idea of having the benefit without actually exercising it?
"On Thursday, about 200 Mexican-American students walked out of class in protest of the flag clothing incident. Members of the group waved the Mexican flag and said they were marching for respect and unity. They also demanded the school suspend the boys who wore the U.S. flag-adorned clothing."
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Sch...

In my opinion these 200 kids can take their Mexican flag and march straight for the damn border. These kids are wasting tax payers dollars.
Sadden

Seaside, CA

#32 May 10, 2010
Question.... Is the Principal of this High School hispanic?
LRM

United States

#33 May 10, 2010
Steve USMC Veteran wrote:
As I said before, Irish were standing side by side with Americans in the Revolutionary War fighting against the British, and there were a lot of them, and the key operative word for the immigrant issue is "Illegal" there is a proper way to enter this country and then there are the river waders and fence jumpers. Apply through the proper channels and do as the Irish did, they came through Ellis Island back then. Again, the key word is "Illegal" Immigrant.
The Irish migration didn't begin until the potato famine and btw, they didn't "apply" to get into the U.S. they showed up and were let in because of lenient immigration law to allow for a filling out of the U.S. That said, those days are over, the U.S. carrying capacity is finite and our borders truelly need to be secured. Lastly, anybody who'd fly a foreign flag over the stars and stripes is nothing short of disloyal.
The Laughing Independent

Big Bear City, CA

#34 May 11, 2010
sunnycali wrote:
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Could you please provide evidence? A century ago there weren't as many United States citizens either.
I wonder if you get the irony of your screen name. You do know that everyone from the tip of Alaska allll the way down to the tip of Chile is an American, right? We're from North, Central, and South America - thus all Americans.
I see we have another clueless armchair historian here American. Let's put him to bed.

"Historically, America has referred to both the Americas or the United States of America with the term American often relating solely to the people, language, and culture found within the United States of America."

But like that other idiot Ocean View, his entire post is merely a distraction from the discussion at hand which you keep reiterating. Alas, imbeciles are just too mentally deficient to retain the information. Tragic.
Oldschool

San Diego, CA

#35 May 12, 2010
Can anyone tell me how to get back to the portal I must have stumbled through on my way to landing in this parallel universe? Each day strikes me as being more bizarre than the last. I'm glad my father, a WWII Vet, didn't live to see this nonsense.
TEA

High Ridge, MO

#36 May 13, 2010
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story...

Public sounds off over American flag shirt controversy

A crowded school board meeting took place in Morgan Hill on Tuesday night. That is where angry parents and students demanded action against administrators.

The trouble started on Cinco de Mayo when five high school students were told to either take off the American flag t-shirts they were wearing or go home.

About 200 people packed the auditorium since it was their first chance to speak to, and in some cases, yell at district leaders....

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