Ethanol changes fuel strong reader reaction

real information wrote:

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When others say outlandish things like "...Corn-based ethanol does not save energy" and "...BTW: Ethanol does bad things to your cars, trucks, and boats", I feel compelled to interject with real information. If you are part of the vast store of knowledge, why do you select the garbage and repeat it, and repeat it, and repeat it?

BuckStripes wrote:

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...Your premise is correct, juniper. Cooking oil (and other assorted vegetable oils) can be used to power certain cars and trucks. Conversion kits are not only available for this, but are already installed, in moderate numbers. Willie Nelson runs his new Volkswagon on discarded restaurant "fry fat."
...So, I believe you are only in error when you say that this switch-over is illegal in the USA. It just isn't highly utilized, so far...

juniper wrote:

I think it is really interesting that no one has picked up on another highly available source for biofuels, used cooking oil. Many diesel engines can be converted to burn this type of fuel. Unfortunately, in the US it has not been approved for use so it is illegal. We use a ton of oil in restaurants/hotel and the like. Can you imagine how much energy would be saved by tapping into this source to help us become less foreign oil dependent, and pursue energy alternatives. Our issues will not be solved by ethanol or even other biofuels but we need to start somewhere and need a comprehensive plan not just some subsidies going to mostly big Agriculture. Arguing about the issue doesn't help either. Try actually coming up with some solutions.

BuckStripes wrote:

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...What compels you to make such ridiculously asinine statements? You keep trying to convince people about your expert point of view--then you repeatedly shoot yourself in the head, with infantile (retarded) slurs flung at anyone whose view opposes yours...
...Are you totally devoid of common sense? You act like you are clinically schizoid: Jumping from posing as an older bore to flinging sh*it an obnoxious school kid...
...You don't seem to have much grasp of basic human understandings. So here's Rule #1--Never assume anything, not about anyone, nor about anything else...
...Then try to learn something about where you actually stand in relation to the rest of the daily universe...

Rochesterian wrote:

The fact is, oil price gouging is occurring despite anti-price-fixing laws prohibiting manipulation of oil prices by manufacturers and dealers.
The reason DOJ is not taking action is simple: Global Warming is happening much faster than expected.
The biggest challenge ahead will be mass human migration to higher ground.
To lessen the anticipated and certain degree of chaos, methods have been devised to decrease the overall population by at approximately 20% in a relatively short period of time, w/o having to resort to methods devised by Himmler.
http://www.overpopulation.org/whyPopMatters.h ...
http://globalcommunitywebnet.com/globalcommun ...
http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications ...
The huge sums of money made from illegal price-fixing of oil will cause a complete evisceration of the middle class such that poverty and desperation will result in homelessness, joblessness, sickness, starvation and consumption to weather extremes.
The sum result of the above will achieve a general decline in population to the targeted figure.
When the desired population figure is met, there will be no way to assign or otherwise peg blame for such massive loss of human life, short of blaming "those nasty oil futures traders" for being so damned greedy.
It beats a rap for genocide.

Mark wrote:

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The fact is oil price gouging is being done by the rag heads in the Middle East, and Joe Jr. down in Venezuela. If the maggot swill in Congress would get their heads out of their butts, we could have complete energy independence from those maggots WITHOUT ethanol or any of the other moonbat solutions. Known ANWR and Gulf oil capabilities, along with known oil shale and coal reserves are good for over a hundred years. And that's only what we KNOW for sure right now. And they're commercially viable at FAR BELOW the current price per barrel. But the filthy maggot swill in Congress, including both Martinez and Nelson, have their heads buried so far up there butts that we'll continue to get screwed.

BuckStripes wrote:

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...So, for us, the canary in the coal mine is a warning: Boat damage attributed (by court evidence) to ethanol contamination. An automotive editor (Steven Cole Smith) advising the owner of a 2007 Lincoln Town car that ethanol probably would not cause him problems--because that particular automobile was engineered to tolerate the additive. Though he did not say so, Smith implied that other makes and models (such as certain German types mentioned by OKB) might not be so compatible with ethanol...
...Small engine mechanics have noted initial trouble with fuel filters suddenly clogging from ethanol. My own chainsaw guy now strongly suggests fueling such machines with 93-octane gasoline, rather than the 87-octane originally recommended by the manufacturer's manual...
:-)

BuckStripes wrote:

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...Would the industry have made it this far if the science wasn't sound?
...How sound was the science when the rush was on to build and propogate nuclear power? Three-Mile Island. Chernobyl. Monroe, Michigan (examined in a book entitled: We Almost Lost Detroit)...
:-)

PGZ wrote:

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Although I agree with you on some counts (not sure about the maggot swill description), I hope you are aware that just because we can drill for oil or convert oil shale to fuel it doesn't mean the price of gasoline will go down.
The oil isn't free and it isn't the property of America. The oil companies get very inexpensive leases for the oil and they can do with it what they want and sell it at whatever price they want. Granted, they spend a lot on infrastructure and transportation, but do you really believe that the oil companies will sell their oil-based products to us in the United States at a cheaper price than they could get on the world market? They are not going to just give it to us at cost to them.
They are private companies and can do what they want. They want to make profits for themselves and their shareholders. That is called capitalism.
The countries that have cheap gasoline are the ones that either control the production of that fuel by nationalization of the companies (Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, etc). It can't (and won't) happen here in the United States.
The only way gas prices will go down is if we either flood the market with cheap fuel (thereby forcing OPEC and the world markets to reduce their prices, and reducing the oil company profits at the same time), reduce our consumption of the oil (reduce the demand and prices will go down, although China and India will certainly pick up the slack in demand) or if the dollar (which the price of oil is based) gets stronger (which won't happen because of our foreign and domestic policies and the fact that our economy is so tied to petroleum).

RHYMES WITH TUCKER wrote:

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Sorry, Buck, your turn in the bin on this one.
Sugar refineries in the US as well as Brazil use the leftover cane (see "bagasse") in huge boilers to generate their own power. Brazilian civilians as well as industries use high-concentration ethanol as a primary fuel.
We could, too, if the Exxons didn't keep the car companies from mass-marketing E-85 burnong vehicles, and -- key point -- we had the waste processing facilities and technology needed to convert plant ad ag-waste to ethanol.

juniper wrote:

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Actually, it is not legal according to the EPA because it has not been registered as a fuel. They do not prosecute those who do use it but this needs to be changed. There was an article in the Wall Street Journal about it last August.

reason wrote:

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I apoligize Buck ... I was really just trying to match your tone, and as you have seen I'm no good at it ... I'm not proud of myself.
I hope the p:ssing match is over.

The One wrote:

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Of course they are and they are probably not the only ones.....They are trying to "bankrupt" the U.S. by saying "everyone" needs to go green...In the end they won't and we will be "bankrupt" for trying.....It's all a big scam.......

6 actual wrote:

ANWR is a drop in the bucket. The problem stems from US, way back when we were so concewrned with the "Third World" not having farm tractors, cars, electrical power and such. Well, we got them all those things and more, and look at the result. Now all those "Third Worlders" are our competitors for the shrinking resources. Jaguar autos made in India. Who woulda thunk it. Also, who on this post can tell me just where all that Alaskan oil is being shipped?? Is it going to California, Texas?? Which refinery??

Green machine wrote:

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The only thing that is a scam is that you have any semblence of intelligence. Since I have gone green in my home, I have cut my energy usage by 27% and putting out less CO2. Wise up chump. Help save the earth by doing your part. GO GREEN NOW!

BuckStripes wrote:

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...Most of it is supposed to be going into the U.S. Reserves--Salt Domes on the Gulf Coast. Now hold 701-million barrels. Receive 77-thousand barrels per day. The reserve is currently 97% full...Big flap now is over whether we should tap in for US consumer use...VS--Better have it for military, if-and-when another war breaks out, and foreign oil is shorted or stopped...