NM land grant activists turn to Obama

Look, when the US took over you lost your Spanish rights. Get over it. I'm so sure that President Obama has nothing better to do than hear from you idiots.

I say yes! That is if anybody is still alive from that time.
Ditto for slavery reparations.

Do they want federally supported reservation???? Those seemed to have worked well!

Those who have posted here do not understand history.

The land grants were a specific clause of the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, which ended the war with Mexcio. The land was guaranteed as part of an international treaty.

ANd it was indeed stolen as the Tijerinas have claimed for almost 50 years. In all reality, the government probably owes the citizens billions in revenues it reaped from mineral and gas extraction BUT i beleive they are simply asking for the land back. Some families even have the original deeds!

It really is the only right thing to do.

albuquerque wrote:

Those who have posted here do not understand history.
The land grants were a specific clause of the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, which ended the war with Mexcio. The land was guaranteed as part of an international treaty.
ANd it was indeed stolen as the Tijerinas have claimed for almost 50 years. In all reality, the government probably owes the citizens billions in revenues it reaped from mineral and gas extraction BUT i beleive they are simply asking for the land back. Some families even have the original deeds!
It really is the only right thing to do.

Only specific land grants were excepted from when the NM requested to join the US. Read the Hidalgo Treaty, it is very specific.

No need for Obama to intervene because he will only screw things up worse. You lose and all of you are whiners. Shut up already.

Basta wrote:

No need for Obama to intervene because he will only screw things up worse. You lose and all of you are whiners. Shut up already.

BOGUS POSTER!!!!!!!!!!

The real Basta has a registered account!

Ret-Cop wrote:

I say yes! That is if anybody is still alive from that time.
Ditto for slavery reparations.

JUST SAY NO!

albuquerque wrote:

Those who have posted here do not understand history.
The land grants were a specific clause of the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, which ended the war with Mexcio. The land was guaranteed as part of an international treaty.
ANd it was indeed stolen as the Tijerinas have claimed for almost 50 years. In all reality, the government probably owes the citizens billions in revenues it reaped from mineral and gas extraction BUT i beleive they are simply asking for the land back. Some families even have the original deeds!
It really is the only right thing to do.

JUST SAY NO!

in the sticks wrote:

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JUST SAY NO!

uh-oh the trolls are out again!

albuquerque wrote:

Those who have posted here do not understand history.
The land grants were a specific clause of the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, which ended the war with Mexcio. The land was guaranteed as part of an international treaty.
ANd it was indeed stolen as the Tijerinas have claimed for almost 50 years. In all reality, the government probably owes the citizens billions in revenues it reaped from mineral and gas extraction BUT i beleive they are simply asking for the land back. Some families even have the original deeds!
It really is the only right thing to do.

I (a poster) understand the history.
What I would like to know is what the Bush Administration said when they were given the same request?
When were they asked and what was their response?
Don't tell me the "victims" waited all this time for an administration and a Supreme Court that tramples on property rights!

this really is ridiculous. move on with your lives. nowadays, everybody owes somebody for something that happened way before any of us were even around! i'm a New Mexico hispanic but i don't need to dwell on the past. so it's in the hands of Land Management. good for them. what would those activists do with it if they had it? sell it, i'm sure, for a hefty profit. i'm not saying "don't do the right thing" but that land will never be given back. these activists should be pushing for higher education for the young, not a chip on their shoulder. you want to fight for a cause? how about getting rid of all these black and hispanic gangs that seem to be everywhere. instead, Tijerina & Co. wants land. at least they know there's more money in land than helping our kids.

Some of the lands they willingly sold...and now want it back. They tried to steal mine that way, just by claiming that they owned it!

Of course the courts told them otherwise - but it cost us 10's of thousands to defend what we already owned.

Oh, I understand history...it is they who do not get it!

There is apparently quite a bit of confusion and misinformation floating around.

if the land were returned to its rightful owners, it would NOT be sold. The land grants were an integral part of the traditional lifestyle of the culture in northern NM and was communally owned and held. It could NOT be sold.

When the land was taken, the people were not compensated in any way and are still struggling today (four generations later) to maintain their cultural heritage in the north, which is intricately tied to the land, ranching, and sustainable use of natural resources.

To So What: it appears that your cultural heritage is not from the north, where tis issue is still very much pertinent. I agree that gangs and drugs are awful problems in the rest of the state (a problem in the north, too) and, if this is where your heritage lies, I suggest that you become active in combatting the problems and correcting the injustices you see in the area of your historical residency.

Please, please become educated. Reies Lopez Tijerina (Rose's father) was active since the early 1960's advocating for the preservation of cultural heritage in the north. Keeping that culture alive is dependent largely upon the land that all northern peoples have ties to.

albuquerque wrote:

There is apparently quite a bit of confusion and misinformation floating around.
if the land were returned to its rightful owners, it would NOT be sold. The land grants were an integral part of the traditional lifestyle of the culture in northern NM and was communally owned and held. It could NOT be sold.
When the land was taken, the people were not compensated in any way and are still struggling today (four generations later) to maintain their cultural heritage in the north, which is intricately tied to the land, ranching, and sustainable use of natural resources.
To So What: it appears that your cultural heritage is not from the north, where tis issue is still very much pertinent. I agree that gangs and drugs are awful problems in the rest of the state (a problem in the north, too) and, if this is where your heritage lies, I suggest that you become active in combatting the problems and correcting the injustices you see in the area of your historical residency.
Please, please become educated. Reies Lopez Tijerina (Rose's father) was active since the early 1960's advocating for the preservation of cultural heritage in the north. Keeping that culture alive is dependent largely upon the land that all northern peoples have ties to.

I know only bits and pieces regarding Northern NM, so I cannot speak with resolve concerning that.

I do know about Westland (Atrisco) inside and out.
They sold some of their property along the Rio Grande in the 40's and came back more than 50 years after the fact trying to reclaim it. They had divided the "common lands" into 5 acre parcels and gave it to their heirs; who...on the very same day sold it.

This land was also part of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo.

I hope that is less confusing for everyone posting.

albuquerque wrote:

Those who have posted here do not understand history.
The land grants were a specific clause of the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, which ended the war with Mexcio. The land was guaranteed as part of an international treaty.
ANd it was indeed stolen as the Tijerinas have claimed for almost 50 years. In all reality, the government probably owes the citizens billions in revenues it reaped from mineral and gas extraction BUT i beleive they are simply asking for the land back. Some families even have the original deeds!
It really is the only right thing to do.

To bad to sad. The key word is when the U.S. took over. Face it the property does not belong to Mexico or Spain anymore. In fact if it did, the U.S. should charge them for back taxes. Ha Ha.

Sure, why not...

Then the Land Grant Owners can return it to the Native Americans, and the Native Americans can return it to...

Where exactly do you want to draw this line in the sand?

albuquerque wrote:

Some families even have the original deeds!

Original deeds are only a part of the chain of title; which is the ONLY thing that matters when recorded in the public record.

You must have title - a deed is worthless without title. I still have the original deeds from prior property ownership.

A little late guys. 150 yrs. late, actually.

I never hear the LAND GRANT FOLKS say anything about how they stole it from the Native Americans (PC). Nor how they chopped their foot off when they did not line up and say "Hail Mary"