City Council approves golf course agreement

this is not meant to be anti disc golf,but disc golf and regular golf should not be played on the same course.they just don't go together.

Holcombe should use a little common sense and realize the two sports should not be played on the same course. This idea is just as stupid as Lon Glazner's assertion equestrian use and disc golf can coexist.

Does anyone wonder why the electorate does not have a say in regards of the golf course?

Charles,

We should meet in person, you seem to have a lot of insight into my character and desires considering we've never met. I think having a face-to-face talk would be enlightening for you.

I've never suggested that equestrian use and disc golf are entirely compatible. But there are examples of these activities existing in proximity with each other. Had you attended any of the dozen meetings at CARD regarding a lower-middle park disc golf course location you would have known that. Because of those meetings disc golf supporters and equestrians all agreed that the best place for disc golf was highway 32.

It was people like yourself, who are not supportive of recreation, that tried to move disc golf into areas used by equestrians. And those same people asked Holcombe to move disc golf to the ball golf course.

The bad ideas and misinformation continue to come from people who pretend to know the most. People like yourself.

Lon

Oh smack!

Lon - 1

Chucky - 0

And to "discgruntled", Ball and Disc Golf do exist together on many courses around the country. Try going to Paradise to look into an example. BTW - Not one disc golfer has suggested this dumb ass idea in Chico though, it was just that retard Holcombe trying to delay/obfuscate the issue at hand. Does he ever even think before he opens his mouth?

Golf does not belong in the Park, period. Annie Bidwell's will is pretty clear. It says she'll will give the land to the city with the stipulation that "no trees or vines be destroyed." That may seem unreasonable to golfers but it was her land and her will. The City barely waited until her corpse was cold before they started building that golf course. There are many golf courses in our area. Only one Bidwell Park. with all due respect, get the golfers out of there. Bidwell Park is one in a million. Golf courses are a dime a dozen.

respect wrote:

Golf does not belong in the Park, period. Annie Bidwell's will is pretty clear. It says she'll will give the land to the city with the stipulation that "no trees or vines be destroyed." That may seem unreasonable to golfers but it was her land and her will. The City barely waited until her corpse was cold before they started building that golf course. There are many golf courses in our area. Only one Bidwell Park. with all due respect, get the golfers out of there. Bidwell Park is one in a million. Golf courses are a dime a dozen.

I totally and positively agree. Plow that damn ball course under. It has been monopolized by arrogant greedy elitist who exclude others form that aria for way to long. Yet disc golf I could see being played almost any where one can imagine. Any one with a sight bit of common sense and respect for horses and others, which I believe disc golfers do have, should not have a conflict.

I sure would like to know more of what Mr Bridge is implying when the article says he feels there is need to have the opportunity for others in the public to have an opportunity to share in this profitable plundering of Annie's will. It all just appears some what of a corruption, along the lines of greed and selfishness. A quick quiet and smooth "deal". All a wonderfully thing amongst Chico's uppity up movers and shaker golfer types.
The way it looks the "Nonprofit-tiers" just turn it over to profiteers for a quick profit. And maybe a free pass for a select few for a few 25 years.
Has anyone done an audit or worked up a projection sheet? For public viewing and comment? Where are all the "we need a study boys at"?

Someone is always asking who is trying to prevent usage of the park. Stephens and Aretha Franklins respect are two fine examples.

"It says she'll will give the land to the city with the stipulation that "no trees or vines be destroyed."

translation:
No baseball fields
No removal of non native plants
no bridges
no trails
no bikes mountain or racing
no hikers
no roads
no one mile pool, picnic benches, bbq's
no power lines
no freeway
no horse arena
no golf course of course
no caper acres
no beaver dams

Here's a 9-17-09 BPPC policy committee memo where the Friends of Bidwell Park suggest that disc golf should be at the ball golf course. This is where Holcombe got the idea. It did not come from disc golfers. Just like moving disc golfers into lower park these ideas of pushing all recreation into the same space are coming from the same people.

http://www.chico.ca.us/government/minutes_age...

Butt-i didn't say there aren't places where the two are mixed,i said they shouldn't be mixed-big difference.i also pointed out my comments weren't meant to be anti disc.ask the regular golfers in Paradise if they like the courses mixed.i'd bet the disc golfers would rather have their own course also.

"i'd bet the disc golfers would rather have their own course also."

Disc and ball golf should not need to coexist on the same land.

With 10,000 acres in Bidwell park, finding 10 acres for disc golf would not be a problem in any other universe. In a world where the City Council, planning Commission and playground commissions are all controlled by Berkelyites anything stupid is possible.

Gagthemaggot wrote:

Someone is always asking who is trying to prevent usage of the park. Stephens and Aretha Franklins respect are two fine examples.
"It says she'll will give the land to the city with the stipulation that "no trees or vines be destroyed."
translation:
No baseball fields
No removal of non native plants
no bridges
no trails
no bikes mountain or racing
no hikers
no roads
no one mile pool, picnic benches, bbq's
no power lines
no freeway
no horse arena
no golf course of course
no caper acres
no beaver dams

This list is bias as a poor cook who carries salt and pepper in his pocket. I am all for beaver dams, beavers helped built America. Even if they are not native here. And removal of non native plants is a good thing. But I sure will agree to all the rest of the "no's". First things first and that would be to plow the ball golf course, and remove the "club" house. Which is the topic here. Next I will want the baseball fields plowed, and then the gun club removed. The deer pen and nature center is nothing but a liberal graft, glorifying the Department of Fish and Game who are just one more corrupt government bureaucracy soaking the tax payers. And for sure I do not like the trails being "improved". Hopefully the power lines will come down when I can accomplish the successful removal of Shasta's damn dam. The tables we could do without for sure by people taking a blanket when they want to pick nick. That will prevent the homeless meth tweakers form having sex where people want to eat. Of course all concrete and the blacktop needs to be remove. Like for sure good buddy, thanks for compiling your list.

Thankyou Stephens for pointing out the fact that there are people here who would like Bidwell turned into a wilderness area.

Gagthemaggot wrote:

Thankyou Stephens for pointing out the fact that there are people here who would like Bidwell turned into a wilderness area.

You are welcome. I believe that would be alright and that is how Annie found it to be most beautiful and worthy of being preserved as such. Any "improvements" that could be made have and probably would be made more than likely for greed and profit of a few not enjoyment of all.. To the determinant of the park and to Annie's will and its intent. As one poster who likes the use of the word "No" points out there are many many self interest groups who would like to have there particular piece of it to develop for select people.
Right now would be a good time to completely demolish and abolish any and all of the ball golf course, for the benefit of all. There is no better time than the present. Lets get started.

Bidwell Park is a waste of space in its current state. The upper park is not user friendly and is only enjoyable to a few hardy souls. The lower park is ok because of the facilities. I can't believe we call this gift our 'crown jewel'.
If Annie were alive today she would say, "let's put in some more ball fields, picnic areas, swimming holes, and of course, a disk golf course".

Nobody knows what Annie Bidwell would have wanted. Projecting her emotional state is a fool's game. She said, in her deed, that the city could run cattle on the property to help pay for it. "Don't disturb a single tree or vine, but put 1000 head of cattle on it".

Really?

Annie Bidwell likely would have been upset to know the park might be used by unwed mothers, bi-racial couples, and gay people. She would have been offended by bikinis, sport bras, and women showing too much ankle. Had she known people would take drugs there and have pre-marital sex in the bushes, she might never have given it in the first place. Projecting your opinion onto dead people doesn't make a lot of sense.

The park is a great place, it needs to be taken care of. But it should be accepted that people will use it.

Chicoan wrote:

Bidwell Park is a waste of space in its current state. The upper park is not user friendly and is only enjoyable to a few hardy souls. The lower park is ok because of the facilities. I can't believe we call this gift our 'crown jewel'.
If Annie were alive today she would say, "let's put in some more ball fields, picnic areas, swimming holes, and of course, a disk golf course".

You are right the upper park is it seems being kept from the public. There is a couple of new locked gates, and they seem to be always locked, which is hard to understand. The road is truly not maintained. Those in charge seem to be afraid of something. I do not know what? Could even be the city has a pot garden up there.
It is as if they want to keep everyone bunched up in order to stomp down only just a little of it so they can ask for more and more maintenance revenue. Maybe if we could take back the ball golf course we could spread out a little more. As it is even being the second largest municipal park in the whole United States there is little room for the meager population of Chico. It is hard to find a path through all the dog poop. and trail markers. As if some one could actually get lost or something.

Gagthemaggot wrote:

Thankyou Stephens for pointing out the fact that there are people here who would like Bidwell turned into a wilderness area.

You are missing the point. It isn't a matter of turning Bidwell Park into a wilderness area of not. The point is respecting the will of Annie Bidwell. If the city didn't want to follow the will then it would have been right to not accept the land. But the City did accept the land with the understanding that they were not remove vines or trees.

I imagine the frisbee golf course can exist in the Park without violating the will. The golf course has already destroyed way too many trees. When it was expanded ten or 15 years ago they removed many more blue oaks.

The golf course does not belong in the Park. You don't have to be Houdini to figure that out.

There is no need to project Annie Bidwell's emotional state. She spelled in out in her will. Leave the trees and vines alone. She didn't spell out in her will anything about bi-racial couples or sports bras so it down't much matter.

"imagine the frisbee golf course can exist in the Park without violating the will. The golf course has already destroyed way too many trees."

I believe the frisbee golf course is not on land included in the will. Neither are sections of the old tree farm.