New Jersey teen claims threats after challenging Bachmann to debate

Civitas wrote:

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The Census conspiracy (even Glenn Beck had to draw the line at that one).

I have not the slightest idea what the census conspiracy is but my question is why did we counting illegals in this country when we take the census and why were census takers forbidden to report crimes that they happened to observe.

Civitas wrote:

The "secret" $105 billion to fund the Affordable Care Act (it was right there in the bill, had been there for three months).

Maybe it was "secret" just as Nancy Pelosi said, we need to pass this bill so we know what is in it. Seems like Nancy "secret" was about 2800 pages long.

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Incidentally, I don't hold with guilt by association (so don't bother mentioning Bill Ayers or Rev. Wright), but why is she such great pals with Bradlee Dean?

You are putting a religious preacher who is preaching what he believes as a follower of Jesus Christ and hurting no one but himself with his opinion with Rev. Wright who has preached hatred for America and violence would be okay. "God damn America" is a lot more serious than telling people that they are sinning.

Bill Ayers "he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group[2] that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, in response to U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War"

I think you are putting an over zealous preacher on the same level as a terrorist is alarming. What Bradlee Dean is doing is "freedom of speec" like it or do not listen.

Rev. Wright was preaching violence and Ayers was a terrorist. Big difference in my opinion.

Thomas F Schraad wrote:

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I have not the slightest idea what the census conspiracy is but my question is why did we counting illegals in this country when we take the census and why were census takers forbidden to report crimes that they happened to observe.
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Maybe it was "secret" just as Nancy Pelosi said, we need to pass this bill so we know what is in it. Seems like Nancy "secret" was about 2800 pages long.
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You are putting a religious preacher who is preaching what he believes as a follower of Jesus Christ and hurting no one but himself with his opinion with Rev. Wright who has preached hatred for America and violence would be okay. "God damn America" is a lot more serious than telling people that they are sinning.
Bill Ayers "he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group[2] that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, in response to U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War"
I think you are putting an over zealous preacher on the same level as a terrorist is alarming. What Bradlee Dean is doing is "freedom of speec" like it or do not listen.
Rev. Wright was preaching violence and Ayers was a terrorist. Big difference in my opinion.

1. The "census conspiracy" was a supposed threat that the 2010 census would be used to compile data to put people in internment camps. Look it up.

Census takers are not law enforcement officers or immigration officers. They are supposed to count people.

2. Anything "secret" in the Affordable Health Care Act--well, there is nothing "secret" about it. Members and the public were given an opportunity to read it (72 hours--not a lot of time, but still time) before the vote.

3. Give me a break about Bradlee Dean. Yes, it's freedom of speech, but it's my freedom of speech to criticize him for it. "Hurting no one but himself" is arguable, when he seems to have the ears of so many influential people in this state. He preaches hate (look it up yourself, but spare me the "I don't see the hate in what he says" rubbish). It's not just the anti-gay venom: he has called the Pope a "devil disguised as a minister of righteousness:” http://www.youtube.com/watch... (incidentally, you do know that Rep. Bachmann is a member of a church that requires its followers to believe that the Papacy is the antichrist, don't you?).

There is a real difference in President Obama's association with Bill Ayers and Rep. Bachmann's embrace of Bradlee Dean. Ayers committed his crimes over 30 years before he had his minimal association with Obama. Obama NEVER endorsed those criminal acts, nor did he call for a tenfold increase in them. In fact, the association between the two was pretty inconsequential ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics... ). Rep. Bachmann has, however, embraced the thug Dean with no reason to feign ignorance of what he stands for.

Civitas wrote:

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1. The "census conspiracy" was a supposed threat that the 2010 census would be used to compile data to put people in internment camps. Look it up.

Sounds dubious to me.

Civitas wrote:

Census takers are not law enforcement officers or immigration officers. They are supposed to count people.

Citizens are to report crimes to the proper authorities. They are citizens. If you are at your job and see a crime being committed, you would turn your head and continue working your job ignoring the victim.
SAD.

Civitas wrote:

2. Anything "secret" in the Affordable Health Care Act--well, there is nothing "secret" about it. Members and the public were given an opportunity to read it (72 hours--not a lot of time, but still time) before the vote.

2,800 pages? give me a break. It was not a novel. Even the majority leader who push the law didn't read it.

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3. Give me a break about Bradlee Dean. Yes, it's freedom of speech, but it's my freedom of speech to criticize him for it. "Hurting no one but himself" is arguable, when he seems to have the ears of so many influential people in this state. He preaches hate (look it up yourself, but spare me the "I don't see the hate in what he says" rubbish). It's not just the anti-gay venom: he has called the Pope a "devil disguised as a minister of righteousness:” http://www.youtube.com/watch... (incidentally, you do know that Rep. Bachmann is a member of a church that requires its followers to believe that the Papacy is the antichrist, don't you?).

Civitas wrote:

His opinion and her opinion. They are entitled to speak about their beliefs just as you are. I can disagree and would, that is my freedom of speech choice.

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There is a real difference in President Obama's association with Bill Ayers and Rep. Bachmann's embrace of Bradlee Dean. Ayers committed his crimes over 30 years before he had his minimal association with Obama. Obama NEVER endorsed those criminal acts, nor did he call for a tenfold increase in them. In fact, the association between the two was pretty inconsequential ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics... ). Rep. Bachmann has, however, embraced the thug Dean with no reason to feign ignorance of what he stands for.

Boils down to your opinion of Obama associating with a terrorist and Bachmann associating with a preacher. I think Dean is a better example of a loving preacher that Rev. Wright is/was. Obama listen to this hateful of America for many years and only discarded him (at least publicly) when it would hurt his chance at the Presidency. My opinion.

Thomas F Schraad wrote:

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2,800 pages? give me a break. It was not a novel. Even the majority leader who push the law didn't read it.
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That's why members of Congress have staff members--to read the bill. The Affordable Care Act was posted 72 hours before the vote. If any member, including the majority leader, as you folks like to point out, did not know what it said, it is their own fault. Interestingly, the 72 hour window for reviewing bills was a rules reform Speaker Boehner promised to implement.

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Boils down to your opinion of Obama associating with a terrorist and Bachmann associating with a preacher. I think Dean is a better example of a loving preacher that Rev. Wright is/was. Obama listen to this hateful of America for many years and only discarded him (at least publicly) when it would hurt his chance at the Presidency. My opinion.

This is the sad part. Do you honestly think that someone who has said that jailing gays and lesbians is the "right and moral" thing to do can be called, by any stretch of the imagination, "loving"? How about his approval of jailing them for life? Or executing gays? When is Rep. Bachmann going to "discard" those ideas, publicly or otherwise?

If that is your idea of "love," I don't want to know what you would consider "hate."

Civitas wrote:

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This is the sad part. Do you honestly think that someone who has said that jailing gays and lesbians is the "right and moral" thing to do can be called, by any stretch of the imagination, "loving"? How about his approval of jailing them for life? Or executing gays? When is Rep. Bachmann going to "discard" those ideas, publicly or otherwise?
If that is your idea of "love," I don't want to know what you would consider "hate."

Why are you now suggesting that their beliefs is now my idea of love or hate. You are clueless.

No, it is their idea of what is best for the common good of society. They have a right to express their beliefs just as you do.

Just as I have to allow pro abortion people that favor killing innocent unborn human beings from preaching their belief that this is best for the common good.

You just want to deny some people from expressing their beliefs while promoting yours.

Thomas F Schraad wrote:

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Why are you now suggesting that their beliefs is now my idea of love or hate. You are clueless.

Then why did you say " I think Dean is a better example of a loving preacher that Rev. Wright is/was"?

Thomas F Schraad wrote:

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No, it is their idea of what is best for the common good of society. They have a right to express their beliefs just as you do.
Just as I have to allow pro abortion people that favor killing innocent unborn human beings from preaching their belief that this is best for the common good.
You just want to deny some people from expressing their beliefs while promoting yours.

Where do you get the idea that I want to deny anyone the right to express their beliefs? Don't put words in my mouth. We all have the right to express our beliefs, but that also means we have to put with the criticism of those beliefs from others who disagree with us, or those who are not willing to overlook our more disagreeable opinions because of their basic sympathy with them. Disagreement is a long way from calling for silence. I suggest you learn the difference.

Civitas wrote:

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Then why did you say " I think Dean is a better example of a loving preacher that Rev. Wright is/was"?

I suggest you read up on Rev. Wright hatred of America.

Civitas wrote:

Where do you get the idea that I want to deny anyone the right to express their beliefs? Don't put words in my mouth. We all have the right to express our beliefs, but that also means we have to put with the criticism of those beliefs from others who disagree with us, or those who are not willing to overlook our more disagreeable opinions because of their basic sympathy with them. Disagreement is a long way from calling for silence. I suggest you learn the difference.

May I suggest that you reread your postings. Your above comments reflect my opinion. Thanks for the agreeing.