Man threatening suicide attacks cops, dies after they use Taser

My sincere sympathies to family and friends. I hope they find the individual responsible for giving your loved one access to this drug.

Despite all of the public warnings, people still experiment with drugs for various reasons and there are plenty of drug dealers out there more then willing to sell it to them. There were too many deaths experienced in the 60's and 70's of both young and old after experimenting with the drug LSD. There is a reason street drugs are illegal - they dangerous and deadly. LSD is only one of them. Remember, it's too late to change your mind about taking them, once you're dead.

Humans have Mental health issues. Virtually every Human will have an emotional "Crisis" at some point in their 80 years of existance.

Some humans use drugs Manufactured by "Approved" businesses. Some people "Chose" to use drugs "Not Approved".

Some Humans develop Mental Healh issues as a result of some "Trauma" they experinced.

Some Humans consume the "Legal" chemical compound "Alcohol".

Some Humans become irrational because of a "short term" problem in their life, and their families are unable to cope with the issues.

The family calls for help from those we in society "Hire" to "Protect and Serve".

Once again we have wittnessed the "Killing of a Human" at the hands of the employees we hire to "Protect and Serve".
How has another citizen been killed...."Taser"!!

The dude in the car accident who was suffering "trauma"......hit with the "Taser".

The dude holding the towel bar who was suffering "Trauma"......hit with the "Taser".

This dude OD'n who was suffering "Trauma"......hit with the "Taser".

You "Apologists" can rationalize all you want. The fact is that the main CONSTANT in the "Killings" is the "Taser".

We understand as a Society, that there will be times when we need someone to step in and "Help" when we cannot help ourselves.
It used to be that the people who we hired to "Help" were physically able to dominate most of us, and if he couldnt, he had a "Brother" near by to help. If nessecary the "Physically Dominant Men" could withdraw a "Billy Club"(ASP), and a couple of "blows" subdued the person in emotional "Trauma".

If those we "Hire" to "Protect and Serve" are not able to dominate a human in "Trauma", then we are not getting what we are paying for.

How many of the recent "killings" of our neighbors involved officers that were "Physically Unable" to "Dominate the "Traumatized Human", and therefore relied on a "Lethal Force Weapon"...."Taser "?

The rules need to change. The "Taser", has been a "Key Factor" in three "killings" in the past year. The "Taser" needs to be classified the same as a rifle or pistol..it is too often "Lethal Force".
Not like an ASP, that requres a head shot to kill, or even a bullet that needs to hit "Center of Mass" (generaly) to be "Lethal".
A shot in the arm with a "Taser" will kill some Humans. A bullet in the arm will not.

A "Guberment Funded" study of this "Weapon" needs to be undertaken by a "Non Guberment" entity.
The reason for its increased use needs to be studied in depth.
It used to be that those who chose the Enforcement Branch of "The Law Enforcement Industry", understood that the risk of physical harm or even death went with the job.
In our Politically Correct society, we have changed the physical requirements.

It is my position that the "Taser" is the great equalizer that compensates for the "Physical Limitations" to many "Enforcement Employees".

The 21 year old kid in "Trauma", feeling suicidal, suffering a "Short Term" crisis, needing help his family could not provide, could have easily been subdued by two "Bubba's" with a couple of ASP's and the kid would probably be alive in a "Crisis Unit", and not "Stiff and Cold on a Slab".

But hey!....We are meeting EEOC criteria...whats a death or to as long as we meet Politically Correct standards!!

Nancy Reagan said it best - Just say no.

Um, where are the "Apologists"? I don't see any of them here - yet. Whether someone likes it or not, a cause of death will be determined and if it's found to be the taser - well then we can blame the taser. If you're not the one there seeing what the police go through in trying to control a situation you can't possibly know what the scenario they were dealing with was like. We hire our police to protect us and at times they definitely do that very thing. They did not hire on to outright die for you or for me and I don't expect it from them. Death is always a risk in police work, but I sure don't expect them to stand there acting as a bullseye for that bullet or what ever to strike. Anyone that expects that from them needs to think again.

I do feel bad for the family for their loss.

But, the moral of the story = Don't attack Cops.

Concerned in Twin Cities wrote:

Um, where are the "Apologists"? I don't see any of them here - yet. Whether someone likes it or not, a cause of death will be determined and if it's found to be the taser - well then we can blame the taser. If you're not the one there seeing what the police go through in trying to control a situation you can't possibly know what the scenario they were dealing with was like. We hire our police to protect us and at times they definitely do that very thing. They did not hire on to outright die for you or for me and I don't expect it from them. Death is always a risk in police work, but I sure don't expect them to stand there acting as a bullseye for that bullet or what ever to strike. Anyone that expects that from them needs to think again.

Reality Check time "Super Citizen".

In a "Deadly Force" situation....as currently defined.(Tasers are not yet considerd "Deadly Force"),everybody in the area should open up with every weapon thet have, including civilians that are armed.

Your childish illustration is a canard. The three recent "Killings" by the use of the Taser were not Deadly Force situations.....or should not have become deadly force situations.

This may be tough to get your head around so read it twice:

The availability of the Taser has eliminated any pretense of using maximum Physical Force to subdue a person in trauma.

I wasnt there, and neither were you.
But logic dictates that these were not Deadly Force situations...if they were then Deadly Force MUST be used. If not, then the Department would remove or seriously reprimand the officer that risked her life by not applying deadly force.

I havent seen any stories where Law Enforcement Employees killed a person they were facing with a gun, using their Tasers.

Get a grip and see this for what it is. I am not bashing "Employees of the Law Enforcement Industries"....I am saying that there is a huge problem with the descision to deploy a Deadly Force Weapon....the Taser.

I feel sorry for the family and the cops that had to deal with this difficult situation. It's too bad the kid had to resist arrest and assault the police officers. Had he simply done what the officers told him to do, none of this would have happened. People tend to think of the police as ordinary people who are on a power trip, but they're not. They have that badge because they are officers of the law and when they tell you to do something you do it. Even if you're having a bad trip.

Consistant, I'm losing respect for you. Tasers are not considered lethal or deadly force weapons. Cause and effect are not clearly related in the cases you mention. It's not normal for someone to have no reaction to a dose of pepper spray then require being tased one or more times to attain compliance. I have sympathy for the family as well. However, this just happened Sunday. Let's wait for the complete story to come out.

What if the suspect had HIV, AIDS or Hep C? Would his actions be considered deadly force against the police when he bit them? Way too many unknown factors at this time to judge anybody.

Quote from the article: "Nationwide, more than 290 deaths have been associated with the use of Tasers, according to Amnesty International, a human rights organization opposed to their use. But the organization said fewer than 10 percent of the deaths were directly linked to the use of Tasers".

That means that out of 290 deaths, less than 29 of them were directly related to the taser according to a left wing organization with a definite agenda. It would be interesting to see how many of those 29 had a mixture of drugs in their systems.

It would also be interesting to see how many deaths (out of 290) would have occurred had the officers not had tasers and used flashlights, billy clubs, fists and feet to subdue suspects. My guess is it would be many more. Tasers are popular with law enforcement because they REDUCE the number of injuries and deaths to cops and citizens. Reduced deaths and injuries = reduced lawsuits. It makes economical sense. If it didn't police departments woulod be abandoning tasers. But they are not, they are buying MORE.

According to the article, the cops tried to subdue him and he fought (to include biting them). They maced him to no efect. The next step is the taser. It sounds like they escalated their force as he escalated his, and as their force was ineffective. Sounds like they did all they could do.

I think calling it a "killing" is a bit strong.

Drugs are bad, m'kay? Don't do LSD and attack cops, m'kay? That's, like totally stupid, m'kay? Don't be stupid....

Local FF wrote:

Nancy Reagan said it best - Just say no.

The kid attacked and bit the police moron, he no longer was a case for help. At that moment he became a danger to society.

jmark127 wrote:

Consistant, I'm losing respect for you. Tasers are not considered lethal or deadly force weapons. Cause and effect are not clearly related in the cases you mention. It's not normal for someone to have no reaction to a dose of pepper spray then require being tased one or more times to attain compliance. I have sympathy for the family as well. However, this just happened Sunday. Let's wait for the complete story to come out.

My point...Tasers are Deadly Force, and need to be Classified as such. And only used when Deadly Force is required!

If a suspect pulls a knife...ZAPPPP um!

If a suspect grabs a club.....ZAPPPP um!

If a suspect without a Gun is holding an innocent ......ZAPPPP um!

If a suspect pulls a Gun......GREASE um!

If a kid is suicidal, disoriented from a traffic accident, or suffering other emotional trauma...No Deadly force...NO TASERS!!

Consistent wrote:

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Reality Check time "Super Citizen".
In a "Deadly Force" situation....as currently defined.(Tasers are not yet considerd "Deadly Force"),everybody in the area should open up with every weapon thet have, including civilians that are armed.
Your childish illustration is a canard. The three recent "Killings" by the use of the Taser were not Deadly Force situations.....or should not have become deadly force situations.
This may be tough to get your head around so read it twice:
The availability of the Taser has eliminated any pretense of using maximum Physical Force to subdue a person in trauma.
I wasnt there, and neither were you.
But logic dictates that these were not Deadly Force situations...if they were then Deadly Force MUST be used. If not, then the Department would remove or seriously reprimand the officer that risked her life by not applying deadly force.
I havent seen any stories where Law Enforcement Employees killed a person they were facing with a gun, using their Tasers.
Get a grip and see this for what it is. I am not bashing "Employees of the Law Enforcement Industries"....I am saying that there is a huge problem with the descision to deploy a Deadly Force Weapon....the Taser.

You're jumping to conclusions as to what happened. At any rate, it won't be at your "say so" when those determinations are made. Some of the individuals found to be on drugs are also found to have super human strength when police have to subdue them. Right now tasers are not considered deadly force and until they are, they will be used. In this specific case, the taser was not the first thing tried. It was NOT the first choice of force. I'd say this kid was completely out of control - which is normal in the case of LSD. They tried to save the kid's life for God's sake.

Concerned in Twin Cities wrote:

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You're jumping to conclusions as to what happened. At any rate, it won't be at your "say so" when those determinations are made. Some of the individuals found to be on drugs are also found to have super human strength when police have to subdue them. Right now tasers are not considered deadly force and until they are, they will be used. In this specific case, the taser was not the first thing tried. It was NOT the first choice of force. I'd say this kid was completely out of control - which is normal in the case of LSD. They tried to save the kid's life for God's sake.

The only conclusion I am jumping to is that the kid is DEAD.

I do not know if the "Crisis" he was in was from drugs, legal or illegal. I dont know if he was suicidal. I dont know if he "bit" anybody. I dont know who the cops were, or how many.

I do know the cops were called by a Relative (family) to come and help this kid in "Crisis".
I do know this "Help" resulted in his death.
I do know that once again a kid is dead and a Taser was involved.

Did you say that "I" am jumping to conclusions?...Are the conclusions you state as fact based on intimate knowledge you have about this incident?...I thought "Blood Work' takes a bit of time....but you know he was on drugs?

I guess I will defer to your opinions based upon your intimate knowledge.

Please accept my apologies.

Consistent, you talk way too much.

Consistent wrote:

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My point...Tasers are Deadly Force, and need to be Classified as such. And only used when Deadly Force is required!
If a suspect pulls a knife...ZAPPPP um!
If a suspect grabs a club.....ZAPPPP um!
If a suspect without a Gun is holding an innocent ......ZAPPPP um!
If a suspect pulls a Gun......GREASE um!
If a kid is suicidal, disoriented from a traffic accident, or suffering other emotional trauma...No Deadly force...NO TASERS!!

A couple corections:

If a suspect pulls a knife...ZAPPPP um!------Nope, shoot him (with a gun).

If a suspect grabs a club.....ZAPPPP um!------Nope, shoot him (with a gun).

If a suspect without a Gun is holding an innocent ......ZAPPPP um!-----Correct.

If a suspect pulls a Gun......GREASE um!----Correct.

If he bites you-----tase him.

Sorry, your "ideas" of what are right and wrong are just that, "your ideas". Your thoughts are not in line with standardized police use of force continuums. These continuums have been challenged at every level and found to be constitutional.

A knife and a club can both be used as a deadly weapon, so you cannot expect a police officer to go up against deadly force with less-than-deadly force (taser).

I know you think the taser should be considered deadly force. That point has been clearly made. But many before you have felt the same way you do The taser is still considered to be non-deadly force.

If you don't like it, change it. That is your right.

Once again the kid was on a LSD fueled feakout.

Consistent, do you actually work or just blog?

you can't always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need.

Really "Consistent" do you spend all your time posting? Get a life but if you choose not to, and if you do post - keep them short. Your post was longer than the article! WTF?

Just because someone doesn't agree with you - doesn't mean you need to post 500 times to try and get your point across - that just annoys people and people won't even bother reading your post.