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Responding to SD - Post # 390

The book of Revelation was wrote to the seven churches of Asia in the first century to encourage them to remain faithful in the face of horrible atrocities.(Rev.1:11)

Now you tell me how information about JFK, Reagan, Bush Sr., masonic NWO and Obama was going to help those Christians living in the first century to remain faithful?

Who taught you this stuff?

SD - "It doesn't have to say play, p-l-a-y, that simple."

BF - Where does the bible say it does not have to say PLAY? Did you just add that to the word of God? I think you did. All of a sudden you are aware of the silence of the scriptures? You understannd loud and clear that it is wrong to add things to the Lords Supper. The word of God nowhere says "NOT TO ADD TO THE LORDS SUPPER", yet you know it is sin to do so. Now you are saying we can play IM in NT worship even though the word of God does not command us to do so. You are not being consistent. This is a sign someone is most likely teaching error.

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Sorry, for some reason it would not allow me to post using your post 390. That has happened before when the first post is pretty long.

correction:

"All of a sudden you are aware of the silence of the scriptures?"

I thought I deleted this out of my post. I guess it got through.

Beautiful Feet wrote:

I just read (Eph.5:19).
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
I did not change anything.

You teach the message (sing only). Then you teach water baptism is necessary even for those who cannot access water. So don't say that you only read the scripture. You read into the scripture things that are not there.

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Bobby says: Just stay where you are, I will explore the depths of things spiritual not found in your so called right church. My advice is stay where you are, you will never leave your comfort zone anyway.

Beautiful Feet wrote:

I just read (Eph.5:19).
...... Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
I did not change anything.

I agree with you, BF, that some can't sing, so glad to see you notice that, and that God doesn't expect them to. Finally we're on the same page about something.

And some can't learn the new song that's coming, and some can't learn to play, so He wouldn't command everyone to. The song service on the sea of seeming glass-mingled-with-fire symbollizes that you can indeed make melody in your heart, even easier with some accompaniment. The symbols in Revelation refer to real things, literal. We just don't know yet if that's Christian TV or what.

maybe its referring to discussion religion on the computer

When I say some can't sing,I am referring to those who cannot speak at all (as in deaf/dumb). I am not referring to people who can sing but will not.

If they are able they must sing to please God.(1Thess.4:1,2,3)

1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God

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When the Lord said make a joyful noise,that did not leave anyone out who is able to make a joyful noise.

Joyful noise = Singing

This proves one need not know all about singing in tune. The Lord wants obedience. He does not care about us singing perfectly in tune.

1 Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands.(Ps.100:1)

Beautiful Feet wrote:

When the Lord said make a joyful noise,that did not leave anyone out who is able to make a joyful noise.
Joyful noise = Singing
This proves one need not know all about singing in tune. The Lord wants obedience. He does not care about us singing perfectly in tune.
1 Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands.(Ps.100:1)

There you go again using the OT which you will not allow others to do. You say "we are NT christians only".

What you are is a hypocrite.

Psalm 150: 1 Praise the LORD.
Praise God in his sanctuary;
praise him in his mighty heavens.

2 Praise him for his acts of power;
praise him for his surpassing greatness.

3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet,
praise him with the harp and lyre,

4 praise him with tambourine and dancing,
praise him with the strings and flute,

5 praise him with the clash of cymbals,
praise him with resounding cymbals.

6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD.

[QUOTE}......BF - Where does the bible say it does not have to say PLAY? Did you just add that to the word of God? I think Now you are saying we can play IM in NT worship even though the word of God does not command us to do so. You are not being consistent.
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BF, There's plenty of NT books to help the 1st century church remain faithful. The predictions you're asking about are for the time of flying, the trib and hour of temptation, us, to survive the beast's corruption. It also proves the Bible is up-to-date on everything that's happened and will happen. It's God's right and privilege to reserve the part about IM until last in the NT. You're the one adding, a prohibition that the last book of the NT proves He didn't make. I'm afraid you're the one being inconsistent and adding to the Word. Your arguments are not the least bit logical. Who are you to insist that God must put something earlier in the NT or you'll not accept it? It's His work and He can do it however He wants. We have to respect that.

I surely didn't put 'was wrote', and, again, I don't read anything but the Bible for religion, not mere men.

The guys probably don't read your recommendations either. Save yourself some bother. You're teaching for doctrines the commandments of mere men. You can't imagine how strong my feelings against them are. It wouldn't be printable if I told you. Please, please, please stop with that unless someone says they read them. You need to learn to respect the NT itself. It can stand alone. We're commanded, James 1, to just ask for understanding, wisdom.

We were discussing that symbollism is a better word for the visions John saw, because they represent literal, real things that were still to come in the 1st century. They had no concept of the time of flying, but we can, and the dragon's corrupt system that lasts for "a time, times, and half a time". This is written for our learning, and watching out for the dragon and his false prophet in religion accusing the brethren could even help us survive. Your books evidently aren't telling you anything about it. Didn't they have a book burning somewhere in Acts, btw? I get my info straight from the Bible, and discussing with other people in forums who get theirs direct. Never encountered anyone who just worships mens' books, or their denomination, and doesn't care about anything else. The symbols of the future (some of it now present, I believe) prove God knows all and loves us enough to share with us. What could it hurt to learn it?



There's plenty of other books in the NT for that purpose! God knows what He's doing. He didn't forget anything. Leaving out temporarily some things you insist upon having is His complete right and privilege. IM for example. He did put it in later. Approved and commended the instrumentalist singers. Who are you to demand it has to be in any certain place in the NT? He must have had some purpose in waiting to put it in later. I was a member of the acapellas too, remember, and of course I know you've been told all your life to say these things, never thought how arrogant it is. Remember I only read the Bible for religion, and these discussion forums. You don't need to bother recommending your sources. Save yourself some bother. I bet the guys aren't reading them either. Their fruits are lack of logic or truth. Believe only God.

I meant to edit out the last paragraph above before posting, already had said it in other words. Just disregard that paragraph. Too bad we can't edit. I was having to scroll back up to re-read your questions and then back down.

Do you by any chance have high blood pressure, making you so combative? Learning some prophecy besides the milk of the Word is good for us, not going to hurt! You're fighting so hard against it, like Saul kicking his feet against the pricks, or however that goes. I've moved forward from there to the end times info that we definitely NEED for survival.

I sure wish it wasn't literal because some Christians get beheaded for the Word, martyrs, in spite of our Psalm 91 protection.

The beast and his ilk will be fighting against the Revalations like you are I guess. Why so afraid of them?

You yourself mentioned the dragon, 7 heads, etc., so I just gave you what's happened that may explain that symbol, and, an alternate theory, just in case it's not presidents. Maybe department heads in NWO or something. I THINK that's probably the 10 overlords or whatever they're now called, and that one of the heads getting a deadly wound but living probably shows it's presidents, Reagan fitting that description.
See, it's not so hard to figure out the symbolizm, once it happens, which shows God's prophetic Word is true. We have to move on from the milk to meatier things.

Bobby wrote:

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There you go again using the OT which you will not allow others to do. You say "we are NT christians only".
What you are is a hypocrite.
Psalm 150: 1 Praise the LORD.
Praise God in his sanctuary;
praise him in his mighty heavens.
2 Praise him for his acts of power;
praise him for his surpassing greatness.
3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet,
praise him with the harp and lyre,
4 praise him with tambourine and dancing,
praise him with the strings and flute,
5 praise him with the clash of cymbals,
praise him with resounding cymbals.
6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD.

It seems you are not using the OT principles to help people learn about how God deals with man.

You are rather trying to prove that we must use IM in NT worship using OT scriptures.

See the difference

BTW - do you sacrifice animals also? When is the last time you sacrificed an animal?

8 And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts.(Mal. 1:7)

M62flpg wrote:

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It seems you are not using the OT principles to help people learn about how God deals with man.
You are rather trying to prove that we must use IM in NT worship using OT scriptures.
See the difference
BTW - do you sacrifice animals also? When is the last time you sacrificed an animal?
8 And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts.(Mal. 1:7)

Hey Nova, you started this by quoting Psalm 150. Is it ok for you to use the OT but not me?

In reality there is as much truth in the OT as the NT. The old is found in the new revealed, the new is found in the old concealed. The last time I looked the two covenants were bound together in one book, it is called the bible. You should read it as one book not two, but if you did your doctrine would go up in flames. Can't let that happen can you?

BTW, is Abraham the father of all nations? Was he reckoned as righteous even though he was a sinner? He was before the law, right? ALL scripture is profitable according to tim 3:16. When this scripture was written it was clearly referring to the OT because NT had not been written. What you gonna do with that, I know it rocks your boat.

BF - I posted this in response to SDs #403.


SD -"I get my info straight from the Bible, and discussing with other people in forums who get theirs direct.

"and discussing with other people in forums who get theirs direct."

BF - DIRECTLY for what?

Since you get your information from the bible,please tell me which scriptures refer to Presidents Obama, JFK, Bush , etc.

Are you once again refering to the letter sent to the seven churches of Asia in the first century? Are you suggesting in it we will find info about these Presidents in the book of Revelation ?

23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.(Jer.10:23)

23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.(Prov.14:12)

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Bobby wrote:

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Hey Nova, you started this by quoting Psalm 150. Is it ok for you to use the OT but not me?
In reality there is as much truth in the OT as the NT. The old is found in the new revealed, the new is found in the old concealed. The last time I looked the two covenants were bound together in one book, it is called the bible. You should read it as one book not two, but if you did your doctrine would go up in flames. Can't let that happen can you?
BTW, is Abraham the father of all nations? Was he reckoned as righteous even though he was a sinner? He was before the law, right? ALL scripture is profitable according to tim 3:16. When this scripture was written it was clearly referring to the OT because NT had not been written. What you gonna do with that, I know it rocks your boat.

The bible is a book of 2 Covenants,yet one book. Each man will be judged by the Law in which he lived under (OT/NT). You and others keep wanting to go back to the OT law, all the while living on this side of the cross.

Have you not read (Gal.5:4)?


3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

I through (Gal. 5:3) in just so we could understand that law which the scripture was referring to was the OT law (Not the NT Law).

Ever read (Heb.9:15-17 ; 10:9,10)

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

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When the fullness of time came Jesus appeared on the scene. What did he do, he joined the Jew and gentile to form one new man.

What was the purpose of the chosen nation? They were a people who believed God and God used them to produce the Messiah. He gave them a schoolmaster not to save them but to point them towards righteousness (Jesus).

The cross stands perfectly between the two covenants because Jesus is the savior of us all.

There has never been and never will be more than one way of salvation.

The law was not the savior and was never intended to be, it is a mirror that when we peer into it we can see our un-holiness-our need for forgiveness.

Gal 3:21 tells is that if a law could be given that would impart life,surely it would have come through the law given by Moses.

What is so hard about this that you guys cannot see it?

I know! It does not fit your doctrine, so you seek to separate the covenants into two separate plans of salvation. Bad theology!

Hall of faith Heb 11 is in our new covenant, it is people of faith from the old covenant placed there to encourage us today to walk by faith and to live by faith... One new man! One book! One faith! One God! One Christ!

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:(Eph.2:16)

God reconciled both (Jew and Gentile) in one body by the cross.

The "one body" is equal to the "one church" according to (Eph.1:22,23)(Col.1:18,24).

Notice what we read in the verse above.

...the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

If you want Christ you must be in the church because all of Christ (the fulness of him) resides within the church (Body).

So are "all spiritual blessings" found "in Christ" (or in one church/body)(Eph.1:3).

Not one spiritual blessing is found outside the church. For this reason it is wrong to tell people they can be saved outside the church.

(Eph.5:23) says Jesus will save the body (not them bodies). Because that is where those who have the blessing of forgiveness. Remember not one blessing is found outside the church.

(1Cor.12:20) says there is BUT one body (or Church).

Many members,yet but one church.

It seems many want to accept all flesh (Jew /Gentile) are brought together by the cross, but they reject what the rest of what (Eph.2:16) teaches. Jew/Gentile are brought together "in one body" (one church).

Unless I missed it Bobby you did not mention the one church.

Maybe people understand it, but reject it.

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You are right, I didn't, it was by design. The church is not the savior it is the people of God scattered throughout the earth. If we are born again it is an immediate membership in the body of Christ. I do not worry about it, God knows his own, I do not need you are your unbelieving buddies to tell me where to find it.

The bible from gen to rev is about the work of God to reconcile lost sinners unto himself. It he not a wonderful Savior?

Bobby wrote:

You are right, I didn't, it was by design. The church is not the savior it is the people of God scattered throughout the earth. If we are born again it is an immediate membership in the body of Christ. I do not worry about it, God knows his own, I do not need you are your unbelieving buddies to tell me where to find it.
The bible from gen to rev is about the work of God to reconcile lost sinners unto himself. It he not a wonderful Savior?

What you do not want is people like me and my buddies to teach what (1Peter 1:22 ; 3:20,21) says.

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth

in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us

We tell people WHAT washes away the sins of people. the blood (Eph.1:7)(Rev.1:5).

We also tell people WHEN those sins are washed away by the blood.
(1Peter 1:22)(Acts 2:38 ; 22:16)(Heb.10:22)(Col.2:12)(Ti t.3:5)

Then by using information the Lord provided each of us can tell when we are saved.

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