Naked Harem owner gets 17-year sentence

You are probably correct about that individual but you threw a pretty broad net. A stripper is not a prostitute unless she specifically perform sexual acts for pay. Under your definition, as it was mentioned by another who posted earlier, any woman (or man) who holds out to date or marry someone who is financially successful is also a prostitute. That is a little graphic, but it is what it is. If you can apply your definition to the word (even by adding the term "type") then I should be allowed to apply that same term liberally. I am not trying to justify "strip clubs". They are validated by the sheer number that exists across the country and in the world. The amount of revenue they create in Texas alone is higher than the GDP of some countries. Their clientele is numbered over a billion. They certainly don't need me to stump for them.

___Jenny___ wrote:

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Go back and read the posts of the guy I was answering. Concise definition of him -- pervert.
A stripper is still a type of prostitute.
You're hunting for justification for strip joints and prostitution. There is none. Just excuses by people that frequent them.

It's all pretty simple. Any guy who says he doesn't pay for it is either stupid or a liar. When guys date girls. Girls tend to expect the guy to pay for the date (and why not, it's the gentlemenly thing to do). Is this not selling something? They guy may get lucky or he may just lose out. It's a gamble. When the guy finally nails the woman and they get serious about wanting to marry (usually with a lot of pressure from the female). The guy will pay for all kinds of things prior to the marriage and will continue on paying long after they are married. I'd say that the word P-tution can be used loosely in any of these cases.

The bible thumpers as you call it pay for it too. My assumption is that they get married also. And yes, many of these enjoy going out and checking out women who strip. Many of these clowns are thumping bibles because the wife wants this. This is what the wife believes and damned it I will make her happy. Some of my friends seem to be like this in that they are very churchy, but only because the wife demands it. That doesn't sound like very good moral thinking does it?

I think I'd rather be at the Harem checking out strippers than living under lies of devotion, dedication and love.

Legalize prostitution. This can be a big tax making business for the government. We need to start paying down some of this debt, and all income should count.

Allen wrote:

I feel so sorry Ms. Coutta and her family! This "jury" sounds as if they all attended the "Eliot Spitzer" school of Cheats & Liars! SEVENTEEN years for this? She should have received less than 17 DAYS! How in the world this not be viewed as "selective prosecution?" The article specifically refers to the case of a female, while driving drunk, strikes and KILLS a pedestrian. The plea agreement in this case = 120 DAYS!!!! I am so glad that I no longer reside in El Paso! The stupidity & ignorance is increasing exponentially all the time!!

SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!

Coutto hires a teenager to dance = 17 years in prison!
Drunk Driver runs and kills a pedestrain = 4 months in jail!

Is there something WRONG here? gEEEEEZ!

You have people executing the law under their own moral greatness and not necessarily dolling punishment per the crime.

From a moral perspective, to a lot of people, strip clubs are a thing of the devil. At the very least, while you are in the strip club, you know that you are getting screwed. When you spend your days in church listening to a person preach about the greatness of the gospel. You have no idea whether your daily contribution is being used for good things or if the preacher himself is hanging out at the TT-Bars.

This is simply wrong. This lady should not have gotten a whole lot of time for this as she would never have been the wiser to know that this girl was 17. Fake IDs are easy to get.

Bad call. El Paso is going down the toilet just like Juarez.

I feel the jury did the right thing, perhaps she was made an example of...i bet the other club members will be more careful next time before they decide to look the other way to fill their pockets with $$. Personally, i wish these clubs would just go away...we have too many of them...yuk!

This is one opinion I guess. I say legalize prostitution and allow it in these clubs. Tax them heavily and be done with the morality of it.

Bad things exist everywhere. Taxes are the only good thing to come from them. Don't try to make people the same as you morally, it will never happen.

this is not only a moral issue, it's also protecting the underage. They are STILL kids...don't care how old they look, and how much makeup they wear...their bodies and mind are at a very vulnerable state. I believe some of you (believe the majority are men) don't mind seeing his happen because it's for your fulfillment. You can't tell me that dancing and stripping, getting groped by gross pervs isn't going to affect you emotionally, physically and mentally...bottom line...someone is making a lot of money off of these little girls and it's not right. After they're 18...that's they're choice...

You sound like a good person. You sound like you'd like to protect your good place next to The Lord.

You feel that fighting things like this will make you feel clean? Do you feel clean? The world is full of bad things. Are you going out and protesting all those, or just the ones close to home. God will judge you less because of this?

Take a look at what your kids are doing from say age 12-13 on up. Filming themselves doing sexual things. Sending nude pictures to their friends and on the web. Having sex with all their friends. In momma's bed. How do you plan to stop this? I'm curious as to what the solution is? Tie your kids up at home and not let them out?

There is no question that there was illegal activity here. I'm not sure the merit was 17 yrs in the pen. People get away with so much more. The reality is that it's very hard for these people to know who they are hiring. Why aren't this girl's parents in prison? They let her, correct? Didn't they know where their little girl was at night? Didn't they take responsibility?

Jesus es verbo, no sustantivo ... "Ricardo Arjona" ... Jesus is a lot of talk and not much action ...

Muero, While agree with some of your points, I have to say, Jesus speaks clearly, the problem is some dont listen or choose their own way. Just as some children ignore the parents or some people ignore the laws. We all make choices.

This doesn't have anything to do with religion...it's about caring. I feel that the least these bar owners can do if they're going to continue to exist is at have some age verification system. Give these kids a year or two to think about it some more...they're fickle at that age, and make hasty decisions. If there is no strong mentor, or family to count on...they will be sucked in to the money, drugs and life...and throw away theirs... this is someone's future, a kid that's not even old enough to drink! sad...

The bar owners can only verify whatever the law allows. I cannot legally medal in your life beyond what the law allows. It's not simple for the bar owners to simply call up the records bureau and demand to know your age. They have to rely on identification. If you have a fake driver's license or fake ID, you just defeated the guy's effort. Even with fake IDs, they will still register in the system (if it is a good quality one). This will not keep these kids out.

The parents of this poor little girl should have known that she was out stripping. Didn't they notice the Mercedes or whatever brand of new car she drove? Most of these girls drive very nice automobiles and live it up. They make a lot of dough. Why aren't the parents being held accountable? What was their role in this? To help spend the money? Were they in Mexico?

Good people always try to make kids seem very vulnerable, when in reality, your kids manipulate you day in and day out. Kids today are very smart. They are much smarter than you were when you were their age. The information age has made these kids grow up about 10 yrs too fast. Don't make assumptions or psycho-analyze this to death. Kids of 16-17 are about as fully developed as they can be mentally. They know right from wrong. They understand well what is going on.

Well stated !

Jenny Jenny you are so naive....as long as there is a market there will be supply. That goes for Big Mac's, Bud Light and prostitutes (like it or not). The only thing wrong with it is the prudish attitudes like yours.

...not naive...just fed up with excuses... the way we now have updated technology on other verification systems, the industry should have to dish out some $ from all the millions they con out of pervs and come up with one of their own and be responsible. Most of sound like you approve and support this type of crime. Hope your daughter doesn't end up like this...Karma is a... BTW, if their parents cared, and asked questions...they probably wouldn't be doing it to begin with...bottom line, people, parents just don't care as it is obvious with these posts...

It's not quite so simple to do a background search. It most certainly is not cheap. It costs the US gov't about $10K to do a background check. Even then, it is only based on what can be looked up or checked into. No magic technological breakthrough exists for age-verification yet. If you find the solution, you can be a wealthy person.

PinkNoBrain - do you know how much money this industry makes? How much cash goes untaxed? How much MORE they could be taxed??? yeah, I think they have enough money to work on a new system...again...no excuses...

You don't understand that there are limitations in technology that prohibit this from being real today. Doesn't mean that it can't be in the future, but lots of money would have to be spent. These businesses are not organized enough to pool their funds into doing so. Then again, the people interested are the goody-2-shoes or the police.

It's fine to tax the businesses more. Tax them enough, and they will close just like all other businesses. The gov't can only have so much of a hand in what people do, before the disruptions become harmful.

Even though this is not a business that you all may condone, it is a legitimate business none-the-less. They can only do so much and the cops can only do so much. At the very least, most of these business in the past had a cop present at the door. This at least guarantees some form of safety for the girls and the customers.

You have to go back to the parents. How is it possible that I as a parent of a 16 yr old girl would not recognize that she was driving a new car that I didn't fund? How would I have missed out on the fact that she had a very expensive cell-phone that I did not fund?

Things like this don't just fall out of the sky. The cops are not responsible for this one. This business is not responsible for this mess either (even though the lady was given 17 yrs). The responsibility falls on the shoulders of the parents. They should be the ones getting the 17 yrs if anyone.

Simply making examples of business owners 'cause we can is not a good thing. Today, it is the Naked Harem. Who's business will be made an example of tomorrow? Will it be yours? Will you be the next person serving 17 yrs for something that was completely out of your control?

Too much gov't medalling in daily business is a bad thing. Gov'ts do not do one thing efficiently. Many mistakes are made and many innocent people are affected. Careful of that which you wish, you could get it.

The case was based on a girl who admitted to such acts and never claimed she was coerced or forced in any manner. She was given immunity to convict a lady who may have known or not. This girl admits she was fired for being under age immediately after a days work. She also admits to being a drug user.

Why is it that an admitted drug user and sex worker is taken at word here. She is an admitted criminal and given immunity to convict an owner of this business. This business may not be reputable but it was a business. How could the forces who shut them down let it go on since the 80's or earlier. It barely turned 2010. That is 30 years of looking the other way. Hmmm.

Sounds like the owner pissed someone in the city council off or the police.

Look into your city council and you may find the answers.

Good point. 30 yrs of taking the bribe and then whack. Maybe the bribe was no longer good. Maybe they needed to make a public example to gain support for up-n-coming elections. "We are hard on criminals!"

Looks like corruption at its best. Good old El Paso and political corruption. You all will be just like Juarez in another 10 yrs. It may even be accelerated as you have all the Juarez rich moving in to accelerate the corruption.

It's like dropping gasoline on a fire.

If she was a drug user, chances are she didn't drive a fancy car, or had those fancy clothes...the "warning signs" - probably just went up her nose. Did she live at home? Does she have a Mom and Dad?
I don't feel that city decided to just start meddling all of a sudden, it's more like - time to take back our city type of thing, or at least stunt the growth of these crimes...instead of just looking the other way for another 30 years.