Mormonism's unique culture

Unique? Hardly.

You want unique. Try 6000 years of Jewish TRADITION.

Now that is UNIQUE!

Burn wrote:

Unique? Hardly.
You want unique. Try 6000 years of Jewish TRADITION.
Now that is UNIQUE!

Ummm, that's what the Mormons think they've 'restored'. Modern Jews are really 'Gentiles' who have it all wrong in the Mormon mind.

With the number of Catholics and Muslims (babies) born into each respective family every day around the globe, how long before the LDS religion is the prominent one?

unique = bizarre

Moco wrote:

With the number of Catholics and Muslims (babies) born into each respective family every day around the globe, how long before the LDS religion is the prominent one?

Don't forget, if they start polygamizing again they can start catching up and even if they don't in THIS life they just might necrobaptize all those deceased Catholics and Muslims into the Mormon Church while blood atoning those who won't convert while alive.

Let's see, we have today's active political and physical attacks on gays and lesbians by the Joseph Smith Organization...

Then there's the magic underwear, the secret temple stuff, codes and handshakes, baker uniforms with green aprons, polygamist past, something (is it a beer?) called "pay lay ale," blood oaths and penalties, little factories, salamanders, blood atonement, Mountain Meadows, rocks in hats, surveillance of troublemakers, some guy called Hofmann, Joey's love of the teenage girls and wives of other husbands, Hebrew Native Americans, two-thousand-year-old steel, wheat, and American horses, tithing taxes, media empires, PR and image, less-than-full financial disclosure, and a pernicious obsession with the dead.

What's so bizarre about all that, anyway?? Aren't they just another religion?

And don't forget that thing about a salamander.

Oh, another unique thing is the number of LDS teachers in Utah caught having sex with minors.

Well, being the only religion to slaughter Christians in a religious act of blood atonement on U. S. soil does give their culture a degree of uniqueness.

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/meadows1.htm

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Well, being the only religion to slaughter Christians in a religious act of blood atonement on U. S. soil does give their culture a degree of uniqueness.

As you no doubt realise, Smurf, our "religion" did not slaughter anybody; a few members, isolated from Church headquarters, did.

And it was not "a religious act of blood atonement;" it was a badly botched military operation that was supposed to be a punitive expedition.

OTOH, being the targets of a "blood atonement" libel that is hauntingly similar to the "blood libel" originally got up against the Jews does make our culture a little less unique in some ways.

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Regards,
Pahoran

Hump wrote:

And don't forget that thing about a salamander.

Yes, don't. I know *I* don't.

Because, you see, "that thing about a salamander" was fabricated by an anti-Mormon with a rather typical anti-Mormon concept of morality.

Hump wrote:

Oh, another unique thing is the number of LDS teachers in Utah caught having sex with minors.

Call for references, please. Specifically:

Please cite a reliable, non-partisan source that shows that Utah has a higher incidence of such crimes than other states.

Please cite a reliable, non-partisan source that shows that Mormon teachers are disproportionately represented in these statistics.

In the absence of such, the default presumption is that you are presenting mere gossip as fact.

Regards,
Pahoran

Pahoran said "As you no doubt realise, Smurf, our "religion" did not slaughter anybody; a few members, isolated from Church headquarters, did."

I won't call you a liar. I suspect there is a possibility that you actually believe a lie told to you by the church. But there is no way the Brigham Young would have been oblivious to this crime.

Here is an intersting account of Brigham Young's desecration of the memorial set up at the site of the Mountain Meadows Massacre and his famous statement of contempt for those he had slaughtered:

http://1857massacre.com/MMM/brigham_young_des...

And of course here is a sight explaining why the mormon sites differ from the rest on this issue:

http://www.mormonthink.com/lying.htm

I just found this interesting site with some more information about the uniqueness of the mormon church and remembrance:

http://www.queerty.com/lds-church-prefers-you...

Beautiful wrote:

Let's see....

[Snip shotgun blast of ugliness; see Luke 6:45]

What's so bizarre about all that, anyway?? Aren't they just another religion?

Well, as a matter of fact,*all* religions appear "bizarre" to outsiders. It takes absolutely no talent or scruples to make them look that way, as you yourself have so amply demonstrated.

Regards,
Pahoran

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Pahoran said "As you no doubt realise, Smurf, our "religion" did not slaughter anybody; a few members, isolated from Church headquarters, did."

I won't call you a liar.

Since you are the one peddling falsehoods, that's remarkably big of you.

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

I suspect there is a possibility that you actually believe a lie told to you by the church. But there is no way the Brigham Young would have been oblivious to this crime.

That's right. Three hundred miles away, at the end of nothing you would recognise as a road, busily preoccupied with preparations for the invasion of Johnston's army, Brigham was nonetheless micro-managing everything that happened in Cedar City.

Just one question: How?

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Here is an intersting account of Brigham Young's desecration of the memorial set up at the site of the Mountain Meadows Massacre

Which of course has no probative value for the questions at issue, but it does help an unscrupulous demagogue to set up "atmosphere."

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

and his famous statement of contempt for those he had slaughtered:

I regret that I find no reason to accept that you have a good-faith basis to believe that accusation. Brigham had nothing to do with the massacre.

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Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

And of course here is a sight explaining why the mormon sites differ from the rest on this issue:

The fact that you persist in poisoning the well even after it has been pointed out to you how fundamentally dishonest it is,*proves* that you have *always* been *intending* to deceive thereby.

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Regards,
Pahoran

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

I just found this interesting site with some more information about the uniqueness of the mormon church and remembrance:

That's right, Smurf. I'm quite certain that Queerty, a "gay" propaganda site, fits your profile of a "neutral" source: its hatred of the Church of Jesus Christ is almost as rabid as yours.

And does anyone find it either surprising or reprehensible that the Church does not wish to enable the political exploitation of suicide victims?

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Regards,
Pahoran

Pahoran wrote:

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Yes, don't. I know *I* don't.
Because, you see, "that thing about a salamander" was fabricated by an anti-Mormon with a rather typical anti-Mormon concept of morality.
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Call for references, please. Specifically:
Please cite a reliable, non-partisan source that shows that Utah has a higher incidence of such crimes than other states.
Please cite a reliable, non-partisan source that shows that Mormon teachers are disproportionately represented in these statistics.
In the absence of such, the default presumption is that you are presenting mere gossip as fact.
Regards,
Pahoran

Ask, and ye shall receive:
Former Bountiful Junior High teacher faces sex with minor charges, pleads not guilty

http://www.standard.net/topics/schools/2009/1...

Former Roy teacher suspected of years-long sexual relationship with teen

http://www.standard.net/topics/abuse/2009/10/...

Paulsen was booked into Davis County Jail and held without bail.

Paulsen is a school resource officer at Hunter High School in West Valley City. Such officers are assigned an office in schools to counsel teens in avoiding high-risk behaviors as a means of crime prevention.

http://www.standard.net/topics/news/2009/10/0...

A 47-year-old Ogden High School teacher being investigated for his relationship with a woman when she was a student has been placed on administrative leave.

http://www.standard.net/topics/ogden-city-sch...

Teacher on paid leave / Layton police investigate situation involving 62-year-old and recent grad

http://www.standard.net/topics/news/2009/10/0... -

Keep sexual predators off staffs at schools

http://www.standard.net/topics/opinion/2009/1...

Teacher's aide arrested for alleged sex with 15-year-old West Jordan students

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_13653295...

St. George teacher accused of sex abuse at swimming pool

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_13545610...

Former teacher, 63, again arrested on sex charges

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_13245862...

Teacher accused in sex case, charged in 2nd county

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_12885155...

Ex-teacher admits filming teen girls in Cedar City

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_12946999...

Shall we go on? We can if you like.

This is all within 2009.

Pahoran wrote:

<quoted text>
Yes, don't. I know *I* don't.
Because, you see, "that thing about a salamander" was fabricated by an anti-Mormon with a rather typical anti-Mormon concept of morality.
<quoted text>
Call for references, please. Specifically:
Please cite a reliable, non-partisan source that shows that Utah has a higher incidence of such crimes than other states.
Please cite a reliable, non-partisan source that shows that Mormon teachers are disproportionately represented in these statistics.
In the absence of such, the default presumption is that you are presenting mere gossip as fact.
Regards,
Pahoran

Here is one of my FAVORITES!

Seminary principal ordered to trial
Courts » Michael Pratt will face 15 sex-related felony charges.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_13606372...

Of course, no doubt, the Mormons on this board will say that there are a few bad apples here and there, unwilling to accept that a "Temple Worthy" Mormon (God forbid a MORMON do something illegal!) will act in an inappropriate manner.

Life sucks. So does Utah.

Pahoran wrote:

<quoted text>
Yes, don't. I know *I* don't.
Because, you see, "that thing about a salamander" was fabricated by an anti-Mormon with a rather typical anti-Mormon concept of morality.
<quoted text>
Call for references, please. Specifically:
Please cite a reliable, non-partisan source that shows that Utah has a higher incidence of such crimes than other states.
Please cite a reliable, non-partisan source that shows that Mormon teachers are disproportionately represented in these statistics.
In the absence of such, the default presumption is that you are presenting mere gossip as fact.
Regards,
Pahoran

Want a "bonafide" source for your Utah criminal activities?

Try KSL. KSL is owned by the Mo's.

Start with this one about a "real" Mo raping a student. Oh yeah, he was a Seminary Principal. No doubt a "Temple Worthy" Mo. But then again, Mo's don't do ANYTHING wrong, right?

Seminary teacher accused of sexually assaulting student

http://www.ksl.com/...
reported by a LDS Church owned news agency. Imagine that!

Now we can try the Deseret News? Also owned by the Mo's. Now a reputable Mo owned newspaper would never defile a "Temple Worthy" Mo who is entrusted with the YM & YW of the church, would they? I'm sure they would cover it up. I mean,*GASP*, why report on a "Temple Worthy" Mo if it will bring down the religion and show that NOT everyone in this world is perfect, including Mo's?

***GASP**

LDS seminary principal is arrested in sexual abuse

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705316062/...

Surely a church owned newspaper would NEVER report such atrocities!

Yeah, Utah has crime. Committed by Mormons. Go figure.

I wonder how many GAY teachers are/have arrested for sexual crimes against their students?

Oh, here we go. Just hit the wire.

LDS propaganda to try to cover up and soothe over the wounds by one of it's own:

"The Church condemns abuse of any kind and expects the highest moral and ethical standards of its seminary teachers. Michael Pratt was terminated as principal of the Lone Peak High School Seminary when abuse allegations surfaced and Church leaders are cooperating with law enforcement authorities.

Our hearts go out to the victim and family members in this case. Counseling and other resources have been offered to help in the victim in the healing process."

http://www.fox13now.com/news/seenontv/kstu-ld...

What a crock!

BTW, Channel 13 is a FOX news agency located in Salt Lake City. I'm sure they are reliable. Just in case someone in the Southern Hemisphere is wondering.