Caverna- charter school or shutdown?

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What will happen if Caverna becomes a charter school? What does this mean for the students and teachers if it does?
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Glasgow Daily Times

September 30, 2011
Caverna has reached a crossroad in history
By BURTON SPEAKMAN Glasgow Daily Times
GLASGOW ó Caverna Independent School District has reached a crossroads.
The status quo of low test scores and poor student achievement cannot be maintained. Therefore the district is left with two choices: attempt to become a charter school or wait for the inevitable shutdown by the state.
Caverna has a proud history of achievement, both in the classroom and on the athletic field, but both of those issues are well in the past. In the past when negative test scores for Caverna were released, Superintendent Sam Dick would reliably state that as a small district one student who scored poorly could have a big impact on the districtís scores. He would also mention that the district has a high number of students who come from low income and/or transient homes.
These are valid reasons, but a recent report showed only 2 percent of students at Caverna High School were considered to be college and/or career ready. The entire point of high school is to get students ready for either post-high school education or a career, preferably without the students having to take remedial classes at the college level. Based on the student population, this means only one Caverna High School graduate was considered college or career ready.
Caverna was opened in 1950 as a way to allow two small communities, Horse Cave and Cave City, to share resources as a way to provide better educational opportunities to their children. Now Caverna is again that small community that canít provide the best opportunities for students.
The CCR test is not the only example of Caverna coming up short compared to other schools. Since 2008, Caverna has been well behind the state average in terms of ACT scores, and are even further behind when compared to this countyís other two districts Barren County and Glasgow.
Now unfortunately Caverna has turned into something that could easily be closed by the state for poor performance.
The district is facing issues that may be impossible to overcome. As one of the smallest schools in the state, Caverna has difficulty offering enough courses to help students with deficiencies catch up, while at the same time offering classes that allow students who are at or ahead of pace to continue working forward in subject matter.
The argument that small schools make for better students simply doesnít make sense because of two factors, resources and options. Larger schools can offer more types of classes and therefore provide students more chances to develop at unique paces.
A study conducted by researchers at the University of Michigan and University of Rochester showed that the best size for a high school is between 600 to 900 students. Caverna, with around 200 students, falls well below the bottom end of that range.
"Students learn less in small schools," says Valerie E. Lee, associate professor at the U-M School of Education. "And in large high schools, especially those enrolling over 2,100 students, they learn consideraby less
"Moreover, size seems to matter more for some students than others. Size is especially important in schools attended by the most disadvantaged students," Lee said. "In schools enrolling large numbers of minority and low-income students, learning falls off sharply as the schools become larger or smaller than the ideal."
Dick and the school board have to think differently if they want the Caverna district to continue. Although changing the way a district is operated and trying to do something different can be difficult, I hope Cavernaís leadership is up to the task. Otherwise its students will likely end up in either the Hart County or Barren County school system.
Burton Speakman is the news editor of the Glasgow Daily Times. He can be reached at bspeakman@glasgowdailytimes.co m
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wondering wrote:
What will happen if Caverna becomes a charter school? What does this mean for the students and teachers if it does?
charter schools are attended by choice so the students wouldn't be made to attend that school if they chose to go someplace else.
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The person who wrote this article does not know what they are talking about. Charter schools are not allowed in Kentucky. Also, he failed to mention the article published a few days earlier that stated that Caverna was the only district in the area to meet all three areas of adequate yearly progress.
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Caverna was and still is a good school. Granted it is not as large as our county schools, and does not offer some of the classes other scools do. My family and I attended Caverna from K-12 and I hope it will still be open when my children for my children to attend.
For What It Is Worth

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Oct 3, 2011
 
dude wrote:
The person who wrote this article does not know what they are talking about. Charter schools are not allowed in Kentucky. Also, he failed to mention the article published a few days earlier that stated that Caverna was the only district in the area to meet all three areas of adequate yearly progress.
Actually, it was Caverna High School who was the only high school in the immediate area who made No Child Left Behind AYP with a 100% score. Congratulations!!! That is no easy task for high schools to accomplish.
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From what I have been hearing lately they need to just close the doors and move on. Children need a school who will promote education and well being. The teachers evidently don't care whether they teach anything or not. Don't blame it all on the kids. If a child has a good teacher who cares and does the job they are hired
to do then the kids will come away with some
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Caverna has been going downhill for a few years now and there is nothing more to be done.
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Oct 4, 2011
 
Rude people wrote:
From what I have been hearing lately they need to just close the doors and move on. Children need a school who will promote education and well being. The teachers evidently don't care whether they teach anything or not. Don't blame it all on the kids. If a child has a good teacher who cares and does the job they are hired
to do then the kids will come away with some
education.
Caverna has been going downhill for a few years now and there is nothing more to be done.
You can't win the Kentucky Derby with plow horses.
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Rude people wrote:
From what I have been hearing lately they need to just close the doors and move on. Children need a school who will promote education and well being. The teachers evidently don't care whether they teach anything or not. Don't blame it all on the kids. If a child has a good teacher who cares and does the job they are hired
to do then the kids will come away with some
education.
Caverna has been going downhill for a few years now and there is nothing more to be done.
Don't blame the teachers. Blame the leadership. Maybe the school board shoud be canned as well as the idiot parents raisng some of these halfwits.
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I do believe Caverna will eventally be closed. It's no longer about educating all the children just the ones who have parents that draw a check from the place. Then when it's time for their children to go to college they will find out how hard it is for them and not make the same mistake as their parents did.
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Oh my gosh, im not even going to waste any more time replying to these ignorant people. read the other post on caverna school that i wrote and it explains the whole process. The editor of the Glasgow Daily Times did not do his research and has no idea of what he is talking about. People should write him letters complaining that hes writing uninformed and uneducated articles. I wonder what else he has just made up and thrown in paper. Read my other post. Go Colonels!!!!! BOOOOOOO GDT editor!!!!!
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the only children who get the help they need at caverna are the teachers kids or the children whom their parents are in the "click".
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We don't have to read the Glasgow Daily Times to know that Caverna is not the school it once was. We can look at the kids that go there. They are below average. It can't all be blamed on the kids because if its put out there they will get a little out of what they are taught. The teachers just don't care anymore. Morale is low and that is all there is to it. Barren County have the same type people as Caverna does but they are getting a decent education. It is all on how its taught. Put out garbage and that is what you get out.
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Oct 19, 2011
 
Caverna doesn't have the school population required to give their students the best education possible. Can't have enough classes; can't attract the best teachers. That won't change; just a matter of time 'till they close their doors. Only way to prevent it is to increase the population and I don't see our elected leaders doing anything about that. That requires new businesses coming in.
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Sorry Crap wrote:
We don't have to read the Glasgow Daily Times to know that Caverna is not the school it once was. We can look at the kids that go there. They are below average. It can't all be blamed on the kids because if its put out there they will get a little out of what they are taught. The teachers just don't care anymore. Morale is low and that is all there is to it. Barren County have the same type people as Caverna does but they are getting a decent education. It is all on how its taught. Put out garbage and that is what you get out.
your just like the editor of the GDT, you dont have a clue. have you been to any of the caverna schools lately. the high school is moving in the right direction and is the ONLY school around here that met AYP, which is what they are accounted for. oh yeah, pretty sure barren doesnt have around 75-80% free/reduced lunch and half of their students living in hotels/motels. different group of student and i would have to say that they have some dedicated teachers there.
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It should be moving in the right direction because they absolutely rape people on the property taxes! Taxes are way to high for suck a shitty school! It's a damn joke! Sam Dick your a f**king joke too! I've known you since fourth grade and there's no way you should be making 100,000 plus a year! Look at all the sports equipment! Shitty weight room, shitty baseball field and shitty coaches! Spend some money so it can be seen and used!
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First of, you can't blame the school for the teachers, they have some great teachers at the elementary that I know of. If anyone is to blame its the people up at central office. If they would do their job, the school would be in a much better shape. For example; instead of getting rid of Lindsey for not doing her job, they promoted her. Also, Cave city has multiple housing projects and drug problems. Because if this the kids are affected as well as the parents. Most children have adhd or a firm of autism because of drugs. So before you critisize make sure you know your facts. And shame on the GDT for putting down a local school and not having all the facts.
cant stand it much longer

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the tax burden on this community is to high of price to pay for what we are getting and yes i do agree its the central office and board members. They said a few months back that the increase was just going to be a little and then turned right around and took the increase that was allowed by the state of ky, didnt matter about the tax payers that had to foot the cost. yes the kids do suffer because of them, thats whats going on not just here but all over people are fed up with people giving themselves raises while others do without!!! no the school wouldnt close it would just be turned over to hart co system and elementary to Barren co system saving all of us tax money and better education for our kids, That is what everybody wants RIGHT????
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cant stand it much longer wrote:
the tax burden on this community is to high of price to pay for what we are getting and yes i do agree its the central office and board members. They said a few months back that the increase was just going to be a little and then turned right around and took the increase that was allowed by the state of ky, didnt matter about the tax payers that had to foot the cost. yes the kids do suffer because of them, thats whats going on not just here but all over people are fed up with people giving themselves raises while others do without!!! no the school wouldnt close it would just be turned over to hart co system and elementary to Barren co system saving all of us tax money and better education for our kids, That is what everybody wants RIGHT????
NO!!! You have no clue what you are talking about regarding the taxes. If you had your facts straight, you would not have written these words: "They said a few months back that the increase was just going to be a little and then turned right around and took the increase that was allowed by the state of ky, didnt matter about the tax payers that had to foot the cost." The fact is the increase that the board passed was the compensating rate which amounted to a slight increase of 8/10ths of a penny per $100 of assessed value. They could have raised them 4% but most of the board members were quoted as saying they did not want to raise taxes at this time, and therefore they did not raise them 4%. Did you not read that when it appeared in the paper??? You are just wrong in what you said. I would certainly agree that 8/10ths of a penny would qualify as a SLIGHT raise. 3/10ths of the 8/10ths will go for exonerations. Another thing that people are paying in Barren County and Hart County is a 3% utility tax which is NOT being collected at Caverna. A lot of people grip about how high Caverna taxes are, but if you add the utility tax that people are paying elsewhere on top of property taxes, there is not a whole lot of difference. This forum is just a place for a few haters to get on here behind a computer screen and bash Caverna or anyone else they may chose to bash. I am sick of it.
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First of, you can't blame the school for the teachers, they have some great teachers at the elementary that I know of. If anyone is to blame its the people up at central office. If they would do their job, the school would be in a much better shape. For example; instead of getting rid of Lindsey for not doing her job, they promoted her. Also, Cave city has multiple housing projects and drug problems. Because if this the kids are affected as well as the parents. Most children have adhd or a firm of autism because of drugs. So before you critisize make sure you know your facts. And shame on the GDT for putting down a local school and not having all the facts.
"unknown" you make some very good comments and I agree with most of what you said especially about the GDT's news editor's comments and also that you can't blame the school for everybody's problems. Yes, there are a lot of housing projects in Cave City and Horse Cave and that presents problems, but those children deserve to receive attention and an education as anyone else.

I don't agree with your negative comments about Ms. Lindsey. She was doing her job. The state had agreed for her to stay because they realized that she had implemented many great programs that were going to be good for the students. But the Feds had to show their muscle and overrule the state. Time will tell that she was on the right track before politics got involved. Ms. Lindsey is doing a good job of coordinating curriculum, etc.

I also don't agree with your comments about the central office. It's always easy and convenient to blame "central office". I know for a fact that there are hard working and very conscientious people fulfilling many roles for the betterment of the children in Caverna Schools.

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