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lbspinguy
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still trying to work a dead horse ...
this is why so many necessary projects get tabled and the pork barrel projects like this that are unnecessary .... are worked and pushed ....
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joecairo
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I've always said that in Long Beach, there are many reasons to be ON the water, but hardly any reasons to be IN the water.
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Dave in Alamitos Beach
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There is no issue or project more necessary and vital to Long Beach and its neighbors. Let's all keep our eyes on the prize on this one.
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get real
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Dave in Alamitos Beach wrote: There is no issue or project more necessary and vital to Long Beach and its neighbors. Let's all keep our eyes on the prize on this one. Hey Dave, here we go again. Tell us what prize are we looking at and how is it vital? What is the big pay off that would negate the negatives? Please tell us.
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snap shot
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It might be a good time to study the coast. The ice caps are melting faster than they thought. This cause the water level to rise. As we speak their is a program to bring water from the great lake to Ariazona. Their is a big fight on this they think by diverting water the ocean will back fill the Great Lakes resulting in keeping the ocean level down for a while longer & at the same time bring driking water to the area affected by climate changs. The people over their think the sailt will damage their Lakes. You folks should be worried about the Ocean water level. The study should adress that.
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get real
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Still waiting to hear what the great return is in
sinking the breakwater.
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OC Surfer
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Let's see, better water quality, more tourist dollars, major redevelopment of Long Beach's downtown and beach areas, higher property values and tax revenues, lower crime, etc, etc.
Oh and let's not forgot in the best surfing in SoCal.
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dodger
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get real wrote: Still waiting to hear what the great return is in
sinking the breakwater. Check out this link (http://www.surfrider.org/lb-b reakwater/) and that should answer some of your questions. Why are you so against the idea? It is not just a matter of "sinking the breakwater". There are numerous ideas i.e. reconfiguration, artificial reef creation, that are more cost conscious but would still create the necessary environment for proper tidal flush thus leading to a cleaner and healthier marine environment for people and animals alike.
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LB Family
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joecairo wrote: I've always said that in Long Beach, there are many reasons to be ON the water, but hardly any reasons to be IN the water. Joe, stay in the bubble known as Irvine. Your city has been dodging its civic responsibility forever (El Toro Airport for example). You are a prime example of what Long Beach is up against - having us bare the civic burdens (port with its breakwater, the airport, heavy industry, ect.) while other cities are allowed to hide behind their CC&Rs. The people of Long Beach are trying to change things for the better. Until you change your attitude, I do not welcome you to my city.
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LB Family
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get real wrote: Still waiting to hear what the great return is in
sinking the breakwater. Another opinion from "The OC." We will worry about Long Beach you just stick your head back in the sand - don't you remember, everything is perfect in "The OC."
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LB Family
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OC Surfer wrote: Let's see, better water quality, more tourist dollars, major redevelopment of Long Beach's downtown and beach areas, higher property values and tax revenues, lower crime, etc, etc.
Oh and let's not forgot in the best surfing in SoCal. You, on the other hand, are an exception to my opinion of people in "The OC."
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get real
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OC Surfer wrote: Let's see, better water quality, more tourist dollars, major redevelopment of Long Beach's downtown and beach areas, higher property values and tax revenues, lower crime, etc, etc.
Oh and let's not forgot in the best surfing in SoCal. What are you smoking dude? My point is this is not 1920 Long Beach. Where will all these beach goers park, all beach fronts are built out so we would have to either pave over part of the beach or take peoples land.$$$$ How will these droves of people (which would be needed to make any money) get to the beach, have you ever driven down Ocean Blvd on any nice week end, bumper to bumber already. Ocean Blvd would have to be widened if even possible.$$$$ We would need more police and lifeguards (which we can't fill now).$$$$ Quality of life? give me a break, ask the people living across the street from the bluffs what they think. In your dream you see nice family crowds, spending money and having fun. Hmmm go to any park in the city now and you will see who uses our parks and beaches and how they leave them. First gang shooting and your vision will go away faster than the blueline. Surf? Even in the 20's the surf was minimal at best. Ten minutes south is Seal Beach with better surf than we would ever have. So yeah I say nice dream now wake up. We need to put money and effort into the growing gang and violence problems not spending money on a project that if even 'successful' would bring increased traffic, congestion and crime and higer taxes. Oh but some peoples property values might rise. Just think about these things.
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OC Surfer
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Parking, you ask? hmmm. How about filling up existing empty parking lots in Belmont Shore by the pool.
More police and lifeguards yes, but with surf comes less crime and gang problems with revitalized neighborhoods.
And what about traffic? Newport Beach, Huntington Beach, Manhattan Beach and other beach cities only have 4 lane roads by the beach and they adjust and do just fine.(Maybe more buses or coastal light rail extension at some point can help)
Let's have some vision, and get some waves back in the LBC, ASAP.
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Brian Griffin
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OC Surfer wrote: Parking, you ask? hmmm. How about filling up existing empty parking lots in Belmont Shore by the pool.
More police and lifeguards yes, but with surf comes less crime and gang problems with revitalized neighborhoods.
And what about traffic? Newport Beach, Huntington Beach, Manhattan Beach and other beach cities only have 4 lane roads by the beach and they adjust and do just fine.(Maybe more buses or coastal light rail extension at some point can help)
Let's have some vision, and get some waves back in the LBC, ASAP. The negativity comes from people who have very good vision. This really is more than 'if you build it they will come'. Oh that little 4 lane "road" running along the above mentioned beach cities is called PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY. We are a neighborhood with streets accessing the beachs. It is absolutely unthinkable to consider spending a dime on building a beach when we have growing gangs and violence throughout large parts of this city. Ask outsiders why they don't move to LB and they say it is unsafe not that there are no waves. We can't leave more food out til we control the cockroaches.
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alohawaldo
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get real wrote: <quoted text>
What are you smoking dude?
My point is this is not 1920 Long Beach. Where will all these beach goers park, all beach fronts are built out so we would have to either pave over part of the beach or take peoples land.$$$$
How will these droves of people (which would be needed to make any money) get to the beach, have you ever driven down Ocean Blvd on any nice week end, bumper to bumber already. Ocean Blvd would have to be widened if even possible.$$$$
We would need more police and lifeguards (which we can't fill now).$$$$
Quality of life? give me a break, ask the people living across the street from the bluffs what they think.
In your dream you see nice family crowds, spending money and having fun. Hmmm go to any park in the city now and you will see who uses our parks and beaches and how they leave them. First gang shooting and your vision will go away faster than the blueline.
Surf? Even in the 20's the surf was minimal at best. Ten minutes south is Seal Beach with better surf than we would ever have.
So yeah I say nice dream now wake up.
We need to put money and effort into the growing gang and violence problems not spending money on a project that if even 'successful' would bring increased traffic, congestion and crime and higer taxes. Oh but some peoples property values might rise. Just think about these things. Please, correct me if I'm wrong... You are maintaining that the current, liquid swill (aka, the "ocean" in Long Beach) is actually a good thing and that flushing this toxic brew would be detrimental for residents and visitors alike. Actually, your opening line said it best... What are you smokin'? Whatever it is, keep it away from me...
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yeah right
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alohawaldo wrote: <quoted text>
Please, correct me if I'm wrong... You are maintaining that the current, liquid swill (aka, the "ocean" in Long Beach) is actually a good thing and that flushing this toxic brew would be detrimental for residents and visitors alike.
Actually, your opening line said it best... What are you smokin'? Whatever it is, keep it away from me... Thats not even close to what I said. You just don't get it. Pick a more noble cause. The build a beach and they will come scam is a wet dream (pun intended).
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A FILKINS
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how about we throw the "human" equation out. consider doing something for that is absolutely right and virtuous for the benefit of others instead of ourselves ie: marine life. the water in our middle harbour is almost void of sea life and is getting worse all the time. as a person who uses and teaches in our local waters, i can say with confidence that the L.B. middle waters are the worst on the coast and a disgrace. modify the wall in some manner. make our "upstream" neighbors responsible for what travels "downstream" to our city. give the ocean and its residents a little better place to live and breed. you'll see blue water instead of green/brown and an onshore breeze that won't smell like salted garbage.
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get real
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dodger wrote: <quoted text>
Check out this link (http://www.surfrider.org/lb-b reakwater/) and that should answer some of your questions.
Why are you so against the idea? It is not just a matter of "sinking the breakwater". There are numerous ideas i.e. reconfiguration, artificial reef creation, that are more cost conscious but would still create the necessary environment for proper tidal flush thus leading to a cleaner and healthier marine environment for people and animals alike. "LONG BEACH - Violent crime kept police busy over the weekend, during which the city logged five shootings" Look I would like to see the beach be more vital, BUT when a city is 'living paycheck to paycheck'and choices have to be made where our energy and monies are needed most. We must control the crime and violence before anything else, then stop the trash flow from the flood control channels, then we can think about building a beach. It is all about priorities and reality.
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Lee Roy
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Let's not forget the real reason why the breakwater will never be removed.
SHARKS!!!
Everyone knows that sharks are the #1 threat to the environment. They kill over 100 people a year in So. Cal alone!!
We must protect our beaches by building more breakwater all along the pacific coast.
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granfalooner
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get real wrote: <quoted text>
What are you smoking dude?
My point is this is not 1920 Long Beach. Where will all these beach goers park, all beach fronts are built out so we would have to either pave over part of the beach or take peoples land.$$$$
How will these droves of people (which would be needed to make any money) get to the beach, have you ever driven down Ocean Blvd on any nice week end, bumper to bumber already. Ocean Blvd would have to be widened if even possible.$$$$
We would need more police and lifeguards (which we can't fill now).$$$$
Quality of life? give me a break, ask the people living across the street from the bluffs what they think.
In your dream you see nice family crowds, spending money and having fun. Hmmm go to any park in the city now and you will see who uses our parks and beaches and how they leave them. First gang shooting and your vision will go away faster than the blueline.
Surf? Even in the 20's the surf was minimal at best. Ten minutes south is Seal Beach with better surf than we would ever have.
So yeah I say nice dream now wake up.
We need to put money and effort into the growing gang and violence problems not spending money on a project that if even 'successful' would bring increased traffic, congestion and crime and higer taxes. Oh but some peoples property values might rise. Just think about these things. If we listened to people like you, GR, we would might as well soon be paving over the whole beach, and the water to boot. keep it on the down low, mate. one of those Lowenthal politicians might get some more grand ideas.
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