CN urges more balanced perspective towards the EJ&E transaction

John wrote:

CN is totally down playing the environmental impact. In fact it will be 40-50 trains per day in 3 to 5 years. It will cause these towns to be totally inconvenienced daily and nightly. Barington will become a slum. They haven't even considered the dangerous hill at Shoefactory Road crossing. Cn hasn't addressed the huge spike in gate crossing failures, crashes in Toronto which shut the people movers down twice. The train the crashed thru a building at 1am. The haz mat spills, poor maintenance history to name a few. This deal stinks for the people who will be put under the burden of this action. Dupage Forest Preserve says no deal. Senator Durbin is all over it. NO.
We are going to push back to what ever legal level we have to to stop this.

railham wrote:

After reading the press release it sounds like the railroad is not being at all unreasonable. Lowering the EJ&E in a trench through Barrington? Come on. What makes this area so special that they deserve treatment like this?Better to work with them to to make unreasonable demands and be left out in the cold.

CN Railroads Barrington wrote:

CN is totally down playing the environmental impact. In fact it will be 40-50 trains per day in 3 to 5 years. It will cause these towns to be totally inconvenienced daily and nightly. Barington will become a slum. They haven't even considered the dangerous hill at Shoefactory Road crossing. Cn hasn't addressed the huge spike in gate crossing failures, crashes in Toronto which shut the people movers down twice. The train the crashed thru a building at 1am. The haz mat spills, poor maintenance history to name a few. This deal stinks for the people who will be put under the burden of this action. Dupage Forest Preserve says no deal. Senator Durbin is all over it. NO.
We are going to push back to what ever legal level we have to to stop this.

railham wrote:

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This is a repeat post that doesn't deserve a comment, sorry.

CN Railroads Barrington wrote:

CN is totally down playing the environmental impact. In fact it will be 40-50 trains per day in 3 to 5 years. It will cause these towns to be totally inconvenienced daily and nightly. Barington will become a slum. They haven't even considered the dangerous hill at Shoefactory Road crossing. Cn hasn't addressed the huge spike in gate crossing failures, crashes in Toronto which shut the people movers down twice. The train the crashed thru a building at 1am. The haz mat spills, poor maintenance history to name a few. This deal stinks for the people who will be put under the burden of this action. Dupage Forest Preserve says no deal. Senator Durbin is all over it. NO.
We are going to push back to what ever legal level we have to to stop this.

CN Railroads Barrington wrote:

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You are with the railroad. You work there.
That is the whole thing. Places are different because people live at the level they afford. We don't want to live like they live in Chicago or Detroit or Gary. That is why we buy and build homes where peace and tranquility came first. It is fairly socialist to treat all the same as one. What country are you from? Next thing you'll have Lenin coming down the block. Why don't yall move in and we'll turn it all into a bing dirty trailer park. A big slum.

CN Railroads Barrington wrote:

hey check this out
CN Railroads Hunter Harrison make $29000+ per day.
He can buy our houses.
http://www.topix.com/forum/com/cni/T2F2LF19B4...

Not a railroader wrote:

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More evidence of your communist/socialist leanings? Since when does a person who supports capitalism complain that a person makes a lot of money?

CN Railroads Barrington wrote:

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You obviously are a selective reader. You focus on minutia. You accumulate parts of conversation and make your own meaning. Did you miss the parts I wrote about the damage this will cause thousands of individual home owners here? You must have missed the part where I explain our reasons for our position. You criticize me and you use only parts of the story.
If it was in YOUR backyard you'd feel differently.

Not a railroader wrote:

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I wouldn't be trying to force my will upon someone with the big hand of the government. I focus upon the whole picture. I have not missed the reasons for your position. The problem is that you are making wild, or even hysterical, statements like "this will turn Barrington into a slum." Yet you do not back them up with facts or studies. Show me a community where a railroad increasing train traffic has significantly decreased property values and I could concede your point. Yelling that it will does not make it true.
The best argument that could be made is one of public safety. But there are reasonable ways of overcoming those problems. Quite zones are being set up in many places around the country to deal with the horn noise problems. Reasonable negotiations for appropriate grade separations are also carried on with the railroads every week. These things can and should be done. The worst thing you could do is to sit in the mud and cry NO!!! If that is your only plan you will not get the best deal possible.
As far as focusing on the minutia, that charge can go both ways. You need to look at your own arguments and see that some of the things you claim others are guilty of doing are also true about what you are doing. In one of your posts you claimed that I worked for the railroad, I Don't. But did work for the Federal Government for a number of years, retired now. The Feds will listen to arguments that are backed by facts and studies, they will not listen to assertions that have no backing. If you want to win your argument back them up with facts, not childish "civics 101" "lessons."

Not a railroader wrote:

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I wouldn't be trying to force my will upon someone with the big hand of the government. I focus upon the whole picture. I have not missed the reasons for your position. The problem is that you are making wild, or even hysterical, statements like "this will turn Barrington into a slum." Yet you do not back them up with facts or studies. Show me a community where a railroad increasing train traffic has significantly decreased property values and I could concede your point. Yelling that it will does not make it true.
The best argument that could be made is one of public safety. But there are reasonable ways of overcoming those problems. Quite zones are being set up in many places around the country to deal with the horn noise problems. Reasonable negotiations for appropriate grade separations are also carried on with the railroads every week. These things can and should be done. The worst thing you could do is to sit in the mud and cry NO!!! If that is your only plan you will not get the best deal possible.
As far as focusing on the minutia, that charge can go both ways. You need to look at your own arguments and see that some of the things you claim others are guilty of doing are also true about what you are doing. In one of your posts you claimed that I worked for the railroad, I Don't. But did work for the Federal Government for a number of years, retired now. The Feds will listen to arguments that are backed by facts and studies, they will not listen to assertions that have no backing. If you want to win your argument back them up with facts, not childish "civics 101" "lessons."

yeah right wrote:

WOW, It seems Railfan and not a railroader are possibly one in the same. I agree with CN railroads barrington, Railfan could possibly be a CN cohert posting on forums to try to change the minds of others to have different perspectives of the whole situation. Stop wasting your time,it's not going to work.

CN Railroads Barrington wrote:

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railham appears to be an effort by the railroad to infiltrate these forums.

yeah right wrote:

WOW, It seems Railfan and not a railroader are possibly one in the same. I agree with CN railroads barrington, Railfan could possibly be a CN cohert posting on forums to try to change the minds of others to have different perspectives of the whole situation. Stop wasting your time,it's not going to work.

Not a railroader wrote:

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Gee, I better be careful, people might find out that I have mastered the art of being in two different places at, or close to the same time. How do I get from Grand Island, Nebraska to Farmington Hills, Michigan and back in a matter of a few minutes. Oops, I'm letting people in on my secret.
Tongue firmly planted inside cheek.